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Lion Piracy
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No not exactly. You can "match" any cd you have ripped. Ripping isn't always piracy, it's fair use. I have a lot of ripped cd's. I hate those darn things. They sit on a shelf down in the basement for the day I ever need to prove I own the music. Meanwhile, my car plays mp3's. My stereo plays mp3's and I can even listen to the ones I've imported into iTunes. I wonder what Apple will do when they come to the mp3 files I bought off of Amazon.com? Will they "match" those?
Mainly I'm just upset that Apple won't "match" the 78 rpm records I've ripped.
BTW, just 'cuz Apple doesn't make your life a living hell with key numbers and activation doesn't mean they "don't care" if you pirate software. I'm hoping the "good times" continue where Apple is making lots of money without all that DRM nonsense and Apple never turns into another Microsoft.
A Google search for "mac app store leopard" today seems to back up what a Google search for the same told me yesterday. You need Snow Leopard or Lion in order to get the Mac App Store.
And there's this:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-20069379-37/leopard-users-to-purchase-snow-leopard-before-lion/
Unless I'm missing something somehow.
Anyway, if it was me and for whatever funny reason I was still using Leopard and I wanted to upgrade to Lion, then it's a safe enough bet that I'd probably be pirating Snow Leopard in order to pay for Lion. For my mom whatever she wants to do whenever she decides to upgrade. I think she'd held off on Snow Leopard long enough that she was just waiting the extra months to pay for Lion instead -- but it's not as if $60 is such an outrageous (unheard of!) amount to upgrade either.
No not exactly. You can "match" any cd you have ripped. Ripping isn't always piracy, it's fair use. I have a lot of ripped cd's. I hate those darn things. They sit on a shelf down in the basement for the day I ever need to prove I own the music. Meanwhile, my car plays mp3's. My stereo plays mp3's and I can even listen to the ones I've imported into iTunes. I wonder what Apple will do when they come to the mp3 files I bought off of Amazon.com? Will they "match" those?
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Mainly I'm just upset that Apple won't "match" the 78 rpm records I've ripped.
BTW, just 'cuz Apple doesn't make your life a living hell with key numbers and activation doesn't mean they "don't care" if you pirate software. I'm hoping the "good times" continue where Apple is making lots of money without all that DRM nonsense and Apple never turns into another Microsoft.
Of course Steve is going to match your 78's he wants to find out what music people care about that isn't in the catalog. Then secure the rights to that music to put it on the store. I'm assuming they have a deal with some one who can do sound matching not just tag matching for better quality results (and to make sure you don't fake tracks).
I'm surprised iTunes Match doesn't have a Feature to Auto Like on ping any band who's songs average over x stars. You know just to make it easier for you (to promote sales of the bands music via iTunes).
Apple has so much cash it doesn't matter anyway.
Besides it's one more person hooked into the eco system. That's where Apple easily makes it back in a flash.
Besides it's one more person hooked into the eco system. That's where Apple easily makes it back in a flash.
Not really
Leaving ethics and morality aside for a moment, finding a reliable torrented retail .dmg of 10.6.x is not difficult at all. You just have to know where to look. This will hold true for Lion as well.
Leaving ethics and morality aside for a moment, finding a reliable torrented retail .dmg of 10.6.x is not difficult at all. You just have to know where to look. This will hold true for Lion as well.
I'm sure it can be found, but wouldn't you agree that its a big risk with your whole sytem OS... as opposed to a program or app that you can easily remove if something goes wrong.
Agree, the $29.99 price should reduce piracy.. As far as distribution from Mac App store, as you mentioned someone will get around to sharing it, I don't think piracy is something that can be stopped..
I recall everyone sitting around with the gold master torrented just to see of the hashes with the retail disc images matched up. Once they did it was install away.
Not that I condone piracy, but all it takes is an SHA1 to be 100% sure that the file uploaded is the legit thing and that it hasn't been modified in any way.
This should be used (or at the very least an MD5) when downloading anything in question, especially large files.
If they don't release Lion on DVD I'm going to pirate it because:
That's why you download from a trusted source and not from anyone. Of course, whom you trust is up to you.
- I don't have an App Store account
- I boycott the App Store because of its DRM
That's why you download from a trusted source and not from anyone. Of course, whom you trust is up to you.
Just so you know, the Lion installer doesn't have DRM. You can copy it onto a flash drive and do whatever you want with it. (Might change in the final version but I doubt it.)
I agree in some respects. I don't steal software, but I also wouldn't pay $129 for Lion, so I would just stay with Snow Leopard. I think by Apple trusting, and making it $29, I definitely will pay for it and buy it on launch day. Micro$oft can't say the same thing, have they ever had a fully loaded OS for even less than $99 in the past 10 years?
You pay Apple when you buy their hardware. Also, OS X has more releases than Windows, so if you buy every one, it comes to about the same.
Sounds dumb but I agree. They practically give away the OS is hopes you'll run out and buy their latest $2000 MBP or iMAC. Their money is in hardware.
The OEM copies of Windows can be found at retail ranging $79-99 the Home versions. That has been the case for at least the past 7 years.
As long hashes match up between the disk images, Apple does not appear to be taking any measures against piracy.
FIghting Piracy is pretty useless. One who wants to pirate will always find a way. Personally, as I am not without guilt in that matter, I always buy the software I like. If not i remove it again.
And 29,99$ for Lion is more than worth it.
And 29,99$ for Lion is more than worth it.
Me too, i'd pay 30 bucks for such an incredible software, it takes a lot of work and should be rewarded.
People, plenty of them, pirate .99 apps. For sure they are going to pirate Lion. Some people, a few I have run across on here, just believe they have a right to anything and everything regardless of if its illegal or not. They always find some crazy way to legitimize their thievery. (At least in their own minds.)
I agree with you, but what about the argument that iOS software upgrades are completely free?
No risk to those who know what they're doing
I would agree that newbies and casual users (the majority?) are at risk.
I mean look at how many people fell for the MacDefender "malware" (scareware is more accurate) ruse. Entering an admin password or clicking 'Install' whenever a random prompt pops up is just plain stupid.
But experienced users don't fall for MD type crap and can pretty much find clean pirated copies of any app or recent OS. I'm not saying I condone this, but, for example, when I misplaced my SL disk I easily found a good copy of the retail DVD to use until I found my legit copy again.
I would agree that newbies and casual users (the majority?) are at risk.
I mean look at how many people fell for the MacDefender "malware" (scareware is more accurate) ruse. Entering an admin password or clicking 'Install' whenever a random prompt pops up is just plain stupid.
But experienced users don't fall for MD type crap and can pretty much find clean pirated copies of any app or recent OS. I'm not saying I condone this, but, for example, when I misplaced my SL disk I easily found a good copy of the retail DVD to use until I found my legit copy again.
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Yeah, the NZ price for 10.7 is 33% less than 10.6 was. It's certainly a cheap upgrade this time around
10.6, 10.7 are just names (using "numeral" characters).
you'd have to calculate a rate of cost per value & time duration. (but value is too subjective.)
Apple is not a company that is obsessively concerned about fighting piracy. That's my feeling anyway.
Isn't there a story where they provided a software update to fix some non-legit copies of iWorks that had a Trojan?
Same goes with the whole iTunes Match thing.
Also it's not like they're trying hard to go after hackers who release iOS Jailbreaks.
Of course, in public discourse they're against it but internally, it just seems they accept piracy as a fact of tech life.
Isn't there a story where they provided a software update to fix some non-legit copies of iWorks that had a Trojan?
Same goes with the whole iTunes Match thing.
Also it's not like they're trying hard to go after hackers who release iOS Jailbreaks.
Of course, in public discourse they're against it but internally, it just seems they accept piracy as a fact of tech life.