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Lion Piracy

Dwalls90 said:
I agree in some respects. I don't steal software, but I also wouldn't pay $129 for Lion, so I would just stay with Snow Leopard. I think by Apple trusting, and making it $29, I definitely will pay for it and buy it on launch day. Micro$oft can't say the same thing, have they ever had a fully loaded OS for even less than $99 in the past 10 years?
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win1,2,3.x? does anyone know?
i think win95 was $95 and 98 was $89? (and winme?) but i think all others have retail stickered at $99

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_XP
Release date
RTM: August 24, 2001
Retail: October 25, 2001
Extended Support until April 8, 2014
Security updates will be provided free of cost.
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i watched for the usual $10 off price for xp home sp2 upgrade (cd from preinstalled win98se qualified for upgrade xp price. win98 was included in pc price). so, i think i paid $80, before sales tax.
i bought FAR AV a few more times, but since and otherwise, the pc has needed only donationware/f/oss.

ms xp is like apple tiger. like a f-150 or toyota pickup.

also in recent years, both apple amd ms have had the 3seat deals. ("family pack")

i've read that arch, crunchbang, mint, debian, *buntu, etc are even cheaper...
 
mdgm said:
Perhaps he likes Macs, Mac OS X etc. but doesn't see the "improvements" in Lion as being worth $129?

Whatever the price personally I would pay for the upgrade. I certainly wouldn't want a pirated copy that could be infected.
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also you get all of that goo piling up on your shoulder.
and we all know why pirates wear eye patches. ran out of crackers one day... didn't dodge the hungry parrot fast enough.
yeah.
 
'all yore app sore r blong 2 us'

bigjnyc said:
I dont know how anyone would feel safe installing a pirated OS, I mean anyone can dump anything in there or your whole system could crash with a bad pirated copy or some missing crucial file..... Any sort of pirating is bad but pirating your whole OS is stupid and risky as well.
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can you get the lowlowlowlowlow upgrade price by upgrading the last tiger to 10.7? (I'm assuming the first intels were the last tiger)
 
Bernard SG said:
Apple is not a company that is obsessively concerned about fighting piracy.
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I agree. I think it's because, unlike MS, Adobe etc., Apple is also in the hardware business.

If you decide to download or borrow a copy of OS X their loss in minimal since you've likely already dropped a couple thousand on the Apple hardware required to run Apple software.

The hackintosh community isn't big enough to seriously dent Apple's bottom line and a number of hackintosh users probably end up eventually buying genuine Apple hardware.
 
I can imagine why people would pirate Lion and .99$ apps. I myself don't have a credit card - and won't get one just for the app store. This leaves me with a few things I can do:

  • I could pirate lion, with a reliable internet connection, this would be a very easy thing to do, and quite safe if you are a bit careful and know your way around such things.
  • Buy a gift card, either online (using a payment method of my choosing, i.e. Paypal/iDeal) or at a shop (lion has a lovely price of €23.99, which makes it ideal for a €25 gift card).
The latest option is the option I will choose (by going to a shop). It will cost me about 30minutes extra, so I'll have Lion in 1 hour 30 minutes.
This doesn't seem like a lot, because I live about 10 minutes from the nearest shop. I'm certain this isn't the case for most people, and for people who know their way around the internet pirating would be much more convenient.
This is even more true of a 99 cents app (imagine what you would do without a credit card or click&buy - how would you grab that app?)

I'm not saying pirating is better or something - just that it's more convenient, which is the main problem of digital distribution.
 
silexh said:
I can imagine why people would pirate Lion and .99$ apps. I myself don't have a credit card - and won't get one just for the app store. This leaves me with a few things I can do:

  • I could pirate lion, with a reliable internet connection, this would be a very easy thing to do, and quite safe if you are a bit careful and know your way around such things.
  • Buy a gift card, either online (using a payment method of my choosing, i.e. Paypal/iDeal) or at a shop (lion has a lovely price of €23.99, which makes it ideal for a €25 gift card).
The latest option is the option I will choose (by going to a shop). It will cost me about 30minutes extra, so I'll have Lion in 1 hour 30 minutes.
This doesn't seem like a lot, because I live about 10 minutes from the nearest shop. I'm certain this isn't the case for most people, and for people who know their way around the internet pirating would be much more convenient.
This is even more true of a 99 cents app (imagine what you would do without a credit card or click&buy - how would you grab that app?)

I'm not saying pirating is better or something - just that it's more convenient, which is the main problem of digital distribution.
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You know iTunes Giftcards work with the Mac App Store, the iOS App Store, and the iTunes Store, right? Get an iTunes Giftcard and you can get stuffs elsewhere at the same time. :p

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I don't understand why someone would Pirate Lion, unless of course they could not access the Mac App Store or could not use a credit card. Even then, I'd just go out and buy a $30-$50 iTunes card, get Lion, shred the $30 or use the difference in the $50 and then shred it, and I would technically be paying for it. :p

Wait... that wouldn't work with the $50. nvm on that one. :p
 
TheAppleDragon said:
I don't understand why someone would Pirate Lion, unless of course they could not access the Mac App Store or could not use a credit card. Even then, I'd just go out and buy a $30-$50 iTunes card, get Lion, shred the $30 or use the difference in the $50 and then shred it, and I would technically be paying for it. :p

Wait... that wouldn't work with the $50. nvm on that one. :p
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My point exactly :D

Though I would certainly like it if apple would let me pay with either Paypal or iDeal (like Steam).
Many people from my generation (I'm 20 years old) don't have a credit card (actually I don't know anyone of remotely my age who has one), so gift cards are the only good option :eek:, Apple is missing a lot of potential customers that way :eek:.
 
I'm curious as to how Apple will handle it when a person appears with Lion on their machine, and signs in using their real iTunes account. Surely they'd see that that person hasn't bought it from the App Store and therefore that iTunes account isn't licensed to run 10.7?
 
MalcolmJID said:
I'm curious as to how Apple will handle it when a person appears with Lion on their machine, and signs in using their real iTunes account. Surely they'd see that that person hasn't bought it from the App Store and therefore that iTunes account isn't licensed to run 10.7?
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I doubt they'd check or care.
 
MalcolmJID said:
I'm curious as to how Apple will handle it when a person appears with Lion on their machine, and signs in using their real iTunes account. Surely they'd see that that person hasn't bought it from the App Store and therefore that iTunes account isn't licensed to run 10.7?
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Since I don't think its forbidden to install a legal Lion copy on several machines either i doubt they will care.
 
roadbloc said:
May as well throw this one out there.

Do you think that Apple are removing/making it challenging to pirate Lion unlike the previous Mac OS X's which were easily available off torrent sites without the use or need of keygens or cracks, by making it an App Store download only?

GO!
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Apple no longer considers OS X to be a money generator on its own. It is a platform to sell hardware, apps, music, books...

I think this transformation in thinking occurred after the development of iOS and its free OS upgrades. I don't think they really care if the OS gets pirated or even their own apps for that matter. Look how much they reduced the price of Aperture when they opened the Mac app store.

With the iOS app store and now the Mac store, they get a cut of each sale and since they have made it ridiculously easy to buy and install apps and people are buying apps in droves, they are raking in the money.

I honestly believe they would prefer you pirate the OS rather than not upgrade for several years because the experience of buying apps, music, etc will not be as good as it might be, and again, that's where the money is made.

Edit: I also want to add that since Apple is taking out almost all of the work of upgrading by integrating it into the App store, there will be much less piracy. With Snow Leopard and previous releases, pirating basically resulted in an easier experience. No need to even drive to the store or order a disc online and wait for delivery. Just download a torrent and restore to a USB drive. Now, with Lion, they have provided a superior experience. Tap buy, go watch some TV, and the upgrade is done. People that tend not to upgrade their OS regularly will now be much more likely to do so.
 
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Honestly, since I have a Mac, I actually started to pay for software. I feel that I actually want the software and not just "need it" out of necessity, and I also feel that the attention to quality and the low price gives a huge amount of value for little money.

I will buy Lion, and I bought Snow Leopard too.

When a virus eats your Windows system, you don't really feel like paying money for it just to reinstall it and get back to where you were yesterday, especially if the OS is what caused you the problem in the first place. At that point you're cursing Microsoft, and illegally downloading Windows no longer feels like stealing. It feels like taking what belongs to you, something you've already paid for when you first got your computer.
 
bigjnyc said:
I dont know how anyone would feel safe installing a pirated OS, I mean anyone can dump anything in there or your whole system could crash with a bad pirated copy or some missing crucial file..... Any sort of pirating is bad but pirating your whole OS is stupid and risky as well.
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Although I agree that pirating an OS is not done, saying that is it is risky is just plain fear mongering!!
 
A little bit of info for your delectation when you use the recovery hd it checks with apple the serial number of the mac you are restoring :D

so it must log the see no. on the original install :)
 
Apple's anti-piracy is in the hardware.

The only people actually hurting apple are pirates with hackintoshes.
Although the $29.99 price point will surely make pirates think twice before downloading.
Most of a pirates excuses come from the old "I couldn't afford it" but now there is just no excuse.
 
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Sneakz said:
Not all hackintoshers are pirates. Snow Leopard is easily available for $29.
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He wasn't saying that they were pirates, he was saying that they hurt Apple because they built their own hardware instead of buying Apple's.

In some cases this is probably true, but somebody who built a hackintosh tower for $800 most likely would not have bought a $2500 MacPro instead.
 
Hansr said:
You don't need a credit card to buy stuff.
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On iTunes you do. You can't even do anything on iTunes except listen to music and sync your device if you're not registered with a debit (or credit) card. Not even downloading cover art works. Which is annoying as many people simply don't have a card as they see no point in it, and children rarely have their own bank accounts, which makes buying apps (even free ones), songs and movies impossible for them, unless their parents buy them for them.
 
macmongral said:
A little bit of info for your delectation when you use the recovery hd it checks with apple the serial number of the mac you are restoring :D

so it must log the see no. on the original install :)
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Yeah, I noticed that yesterday.
 
baryon said:
On iTunes you do. You can't even do anything on iTunes except listen to music and sync your device if you're not registered with a debit (or credit) card. Not even downloading cover art works. Which is annoying as many people simply don't have a card as they see no point in it, and children rarely have their own bank accounts, which makes buying apps (even free ones), songs and movies impossible for them, unless their parents buy them for them.
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Create an iTunes App Store account without a credit card
 
baryon said:
On iTunes you do. You can't even do anything on iTunes except listen to music and sync your device if you're not registered with a debit (or credit) card. Not even downloading cover art works. Which is annoying as many people simply don't have a card as they see no point in it, and children rarely have their own bank accounts, which makes buying apps (even free ones), songs and movies impossible for them, unless their parents buy them for them.
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Maybe where you live, but where I live every kid above the age of 5 has his or her own bank account. Of course the actual spending power only comes at 12 when they can get a real bank account (as opposed to a special kids version) with debit card and all.

The same can be done on iTMS btw.
 
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