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Lion Piracy

silexh said:
Of course everybody has a bank account, but that's pretty much useless because there is no good option to pay with it (I'm assuming nobody creates a Click&Buy account just for Lion). Most payments here (Netherlands) are done via iDeal, because you pay through the online banking account from your bank (so essentially, everybody has access to iDeal payments). And if iDeal isn't an option, you can pay with PayPal 99% of the time.

Except with the iTunes/App store.
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Don't you get a card with every bank account you create automatically? They didn't even ask me when I did mine (I was 19), I signed up and a few days later my card was in the post. Plus I don't think you can use PayPal without one either, so, it's pretty useful!
 
Mr Rogers said:
I've just invested nearly US$6000 on Apple hardware this year - two iMac 27in BTO's in June alone, neither came with Lion installed or a card allowing for a free download when it becomes available on the App Store - is this enough payment to Apple to allow me a free/pirated copy of Lion?

Further, I've never used the App Store or ITunes store and will never use them - I've jailbroken my mobile devices and have so much more functionality.

Further, and given the companies current market capitalisation and more than US$60 billion in the bank, I have no intention of using cloud-based services be they Apple or Google - do you actually think I'd really believe all my content is secure if I store it on someone else's server - for that is all iCloud is.

Given the cost of storage, I'll invest in my own storage, this includes 3T upgrades to my iMac HDD's, RAID system of 6T and Time Machine back-ups.

If my home burns down, I'll be stuffed, well not really - I also back-up one computer fully at my parents home.

In my own opinion, the Lion upgrade should be free to encourage those with older machines to upgrade to latest technology, technology we expect to get 4-5 years of worth out of before having to upgrade again.
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Sounds like you have money to burn. $29.99 shouldn't be too hard to swallow.
 
iHateMacs said:
Why are apple holding back then?

I expect many of the people downloading it now would pay if they could. But, now they HAVE downloaded it ,for free, will they pay when it's released? I doubt many of them will.
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I for one can say that i've downloaded the gm to get it early but will also buy it once it becomes available. I just want it ASAP. Did the same thing SL.
 
Nermal said:
Alas, when people pirate $1 phone apps...
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The one dollar apps add up, I know people that have hundreds of apps on their phone and gigabytes of music, unless you are rich no person would spend 1000$ to decorate iphone with hundreds of paid apps and music.
A one dollar app an add up to a large amount before you know it.
Hellhammer said:
I didn't it will stop piracy but the barrier to torrent it is much higher when the price is so low. If Lion had been 129$, I'm sure I would have torrented it. There is nothing so significant to make it worth that much. Now that it's 29$, I didn't even have to think about torrenting.
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Agreed
linuxcooldude said:
Apple has always been about selling their computer systems, not so much about making money from their operating system upgrades.

They are somewhat concerned about people putting their MacOSX on non-Apple hardware as seen with Psystar.



If that were such the case, why are you not using Linux? Zero cost. Obviously it must have enough worth for you to torrent it. People will often say anything to justify what they are doing.

The planning and complexity it takes to create an operating system of this caliber would far exceed the $29.00 price point. but as I said before, its to sell its computer systems, the lower price just makes it look more attractive.
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Windows > MacOS > Linux

Why do you think he didn't get Linux?
 
Lord Appleseed said:
Lion is definitely worth the 30 Bucks, there is really no need to pirate it.
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People who don't have access to a credit card? I can see a lot of people taking the "easier option" based on that alone and also the fact that people want to torrent the Lion GM to have it early and knowing that they can use that and update it like the retail copy, they won't bother paying the $29 when it is released.
 
baryon said:
Don't you get a card with every bank account you create automatically? They didn't even ask me when I did mine (I was 19), I signed up and a few days later my card was in the post. Plus I don't think you can use PayPal without one either, so, it's pretty useful!
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You get a standard debit card (not a credit card) with a bank account. Also, you can use Paypal with a bank account (which is what I do).

As I said, the only place I actually 'need' a credit card would be the App store.
 
Not to mention you can go buy gift cards at the Apple Store to make purchases in the App Store :)

That's what I'm doing since I'm currently overseas and all my credit cards are issued by this country's banks.
 
Activate with your AppleID?

Read an article somewhere (cannot recall where now), and im sure it mentioned that during the install you had to activate Lion using your AppleID. Is this not still the case?
 
phalseHUD said:
Read an article somewhere (cannot recall where now), and im sure it mentioned that during the install you had to activate Lion using your AppleID. Is this not still the case?
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No, you might have read the part where to download the Lion GM developer build you need to have a valid developer account, they give you a code that you enter in on the Mac App Store where you use your AppleID to download it.

During the install process there is nowhere that it asks for your AppleID, except when doing a fresh install where it might ask you to register with Apple, which is not the same thing as activation.
 
ovrlrd said:
No, you might have read the part where to download the Lion GM developer build you need to have a valid developer account, they give you a code that you enter in on the Mac App Store where you use your AppleID to download it.

During the install process there is nowhere that it asks for your AppleID, except when doing a fresh install where it might ask you to register with Apple, which is not the same thing as activation.
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It does expressly ask you for your AppleID, and after that mention that it's for registration. You can skip all of it though.
 
With respect to LION and PIRACY. I am not sure if it is meant in the OP as Lion's App Store or LION itself as an OS, but I was going to add that in terms of actually pirating the operating system itself MOST will steal it right now and buy it when it comes out. They are just trying to be ahead of the curve and get shiny new things early, not avoid paying. I tend to believe most people running Lion right now that are not devs will buy it once they are given an option to do so.
 
ovrlrd said:
No, you might have read the part where to download the Lion GM developer build you need to have a valid developer account, they give you a code that you enter in on the Mac App Store where you use your AppleID to download it.

During the install process there is nowhere that it asks for your AppleID, except when doing a fresh install where it might ask you to register with Apple, which is not the same thing as activation.
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silexh said:
It does expressly ask you for your AppleID, and after that mention that it's for registration. You can skip all of it though.
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Thanks for clearing that one up
 
So will Lion ask for Apple ID to activate after installation? This can be the end of pirated OS X.
 
arek89 said:
So will Lion ask for Apple ID to activate after installation? This can be the end of pirated OS X.
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It was said above that this was exactly NOT the case.

Apple ID is for registration, you can skip it completely and go to Accounts in Preferences and set up your Apple ID there.
 
I will buy it, but not because I like it that much, more just to stay compatible with software updates which will sooner or later require Lion to run, and because I don't want to get involved in a cat and mouse game over something so trivial.

Personally, I'm mostly unimpressed with Lion and I think the price is probably about as much as Apple should charge. OS X is being turned into a consumer environment with Apple taking a cut out of all the revenue streams. The creative side of Mac software seems to stretch about as far as posting pictures and video on facebook these days, and the mac is pitched at the twitter crowd more than professionals. As such, I dont think Apple care about pirating the OS because it wlll innevitably lead to more income via the app store and hardware sales.

I think Leopard / Snow Leopard were the apex of Apple OS engineering and it's all downhill from here.
 
Patrick J said:
It was said above that this was exactly NOT the case.

Apple ID is for registration, you can skip it completely and go to Accounts in Preferences and set up your Apple ID there.
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You need to enter it if you want to reinstall (and redownload it) via the restore partition.
 
The thing that I always think is ridiculous is when somebody pirates something as significant as operating system, and somehow expects it to work perfectly, even going so far as to complain about bugs. In my opinion, if you pirate something, thats your decision, but you have no right to complain about things going wrong.

I also think its just funny that some people are surprised to find things not working in a pirated OS. You really expect, with 100% certainty that the thing you downloaded from some website, which was uploaded by some random guy, is going to be absolutely perfect? Come on...
 
strubinstein said:
I also think its just funny that some people are surprised to find things not working in a pirated OS. You really expect, with 100% certainty that the thing you downloaded from some website, which was uploaded by some random guy, is going to be absolutely perfect? Come on...
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It's pretty easy to verify whether or not the dmg's been tampered with.
 
Id like to know when installing Lion from a DVD what does it actually download ? before the installation begins.
 
BlackMangoTree said:
Id like to know when installing Lion from a DVD what does it actually download ? before the installation begins.
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Nothing. It's the same process as a SL DVD.

The only time you download something is if you decide to reinstall from the recovery partition.
 
That is not true. I did a clean install from dvd and setup did tell me it was downloading stuff and took about 4 min (4mb/s) before it started the actual setup.
 
Either way, Apple are smart by setting the price at $30. It is low enough to keep many people from pirating it. Take Windows, on the other hand.. $140 at Costco for a Win7 copy.:confused:
 
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