Lion Piracy

[darrellishere]

My point exactly

Though I would certainly like it if apple would let me pay with either Paypal or iDeal (like Steam).
Many people from my generation (I'm 20 years old) don't have a credit card (actually I don't know anyone of remotely my age who has one), so gift cards are the only good option , Apple is missing a lot of potential customers that way .

Don't you have debit cards in america. Bank accounts ?

 

[silexh]

Don't you have debit cards in america. Bank accounts ?

Of course everybody has a bank account, but that's pretty much useless because there is no good option to pay with it (I'm assuming nobody creates a Click&Buy account just for Lion). Most payments here (Netherlands) are done via iDeal, because you pay through the online banking account from your bank (so essentially, everybody has access to iDeal payments). And if iDeal isn't an option, you can pay with PayPal 99% of the time.

Except with the iTunes/App store.

 

[Cougarcat]

You can link your iTunes account on paypal.

 

[glossywhite]

http://theoatmeal.com/blog/apps

Four thumbs up! ^_^

 

[glossywhite]

I dont know how anyone would feel safe installing a pirated OS, I mean anyone can dump anything in there or your whole system could crash with a bad pirated copy or some missing crucial file..... Any sort of pirating is bad but pirating your whole OS is stupid and risky as well.

You've never heard of MD5 sums? :-/

 

[silexh]

You can link your iTunes account on paypal.

Wait, what? where? Certainly not in my payment options.

EDIT: And pirating an OS is certainly not risky, as long as you know what you are doing. Most of the time images are uploaded unmodified, which you can check with a hash.

 

[Cougarcat]

Wait, what? where? Certainly not in my payment options.

Guess it's not available in the Netherlands.

 

[roadbloc]

Guess it's not available in the Netherlands.

Not available in the UK either.

 

[Jeaz]

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Apple is always looking for ways to reduce piracy.
Take Jailbreaking your phone, there will always be smart people who find away around the limits of the Apple store distribution method.
My opinion is as long as I pay for my copy Apple wins even if it is just a little. I support the companies I admire.

Jailbreak protection is primarily not a jailbreak protection, but rather Apples control-freak tendencies.

 

[silexh]

Guess it's not available in the Netherlands.

Even more peculiar is the fact that when I log in with my apple id (the one I used to buy my mac in the online store), it doesn't even offer me the option 'none'. While some bogus account I created a while back actually does have that option.

 

[spinkick]

How do you pirate a service pack?

 

[Saladinos]

Lion checks back with Apple when you try and restore from the recovery partition. It does include anti-piracy measures (a first for Apple, I might add).

 

[BlackMangoTree]

Lion checks back with Apple when you try and restore from the recovery partition. It does include anti-piracy measures (a first for Apple, I might add).

Burning Lion to dvd and doing a clean restore, downloaded the needed files and installed fine.

 

[MacBookPro13"]

People are pirating it to get it early, not to avoid the price tag, in most cases.

 

[Macopotamus]

I think most people are pirating just to get their hands on GM early and not to avoid paying the puny $30

Anyway, if you're a dev and have been getting the previews all along, GM is free anyway. Plus we got all the iCloud beta access and other things, well worth the $99 a year IMO.

 

[Yamcha]

Yup, most people just want their hands on Mac OS X Lion, so shouldn't be a surprise that its being pirated..

 

[iHateMacs]

Yup, most people just want their hands on Mac OS X Lion, so shouldn't be a surprise that its being pirated..

Why are apple holding back then?

I expect many of the people downloading it now would pay if they could. But, now they HAVE downloaded it ,for free, will they pay when it's released? I doubt many of them will.

 

[mattpreston11]

Sorry to commit the crime of bringing the thread back on topic. But I think the £20.99 price tag makes it an easy choice to buy over pirate. Ive never bought a copy of windows in all my years (xp, vista or 7) But i think if it had been £20 for a key, I would have.

People will still pirate it, but mainly for hackintosh purposes, or the GM just to get it early.

 

[Mr Rogers]

Why should I pay

I've just invested nearly US$6000 on Apple hardware this year - two iMac 27in BTO's in June alone, neither came with Lion installed or a card allowing for a free download when it becomes available on the App Store - is this enough payment to Apple to allow me a free/pirated copy of Lion?

Further, I've never used the App Store or ITunes store and will never use them - I've jailbroken my mobile devices and have so much more functionality.

Further, and given the companies current market capitalisation and more than US$60 billion in the bank, I have no intention of using cloud-based services be they Apple or Google - do you actually think I'd really believe all my content is secure if I store it on someone else's server - for that is all iCloud is.

Given the cost of storage, I'll invest in my own storage, this includes 3T upgrades to my iMac HDD's, RAID system of 6T and Time Machine back-ups.

If my home burns down, I'll be stuffed, well not really - I also back-up one computer fully at my parents home.

In my own opinion, the Lion upgrade should be free to encourage those with older machines to upgrade to latest technology, technology we expect to get 4-5 years of worth out of before having to upgrade again.

 

[Yamcha]

Why are apple holding back then?

I expect many of the people downloading it now would pay if they could. But, now they HAVE downloaded it ,for free, will they pay when it's released? I doubt many of them will.

Yeah I don't think anyone that's downloaded it will pay for the release, but honestly piracy happens all the time, nothing can be done about it, its a lot more convenient to just download something, especially when its free..

Developers try to prevent it, but eventually every popular game or application is pirated and activation is bypassed..

The only advantage some games have today is that multiplayer, but even then you can play on pirated servers..

 

[NameUndecided]

In my own opinion, the Lion upgrade should be free to encourage those with older machines to upgrade to latest technology, technology we expect to get 4-5 years of worth out of before having to upgrade again.

I think part of the reason that they have it out for only $30 is the same that you think it should be free. I believe it's the case that [legitimately] free things aren't as valued by most consumers as is something that's perceived as a really great bargain. Even after Snow Leopard was released for most people at around the same price, $30 for a new operating system still feels like a treat to most people. Give it out for free, and the average consumer can (consciously or not so much) hold the perception that the work that was put into it isn't worth all that much.

 

[Yamcha]

Sorry to commit the crime of bringing the thread back on topic. But I think the £20.99 price tag makes it an easy choice to buy over pirate. Ive never bought a copy of windows in all my years (xp, vista or 7) But i think if it had been £20 for a key, I would have.

People will still pirate it, but mainly for hackintosh purposes, or the GM just to get it early.

Thats not completely true, people who offer support for Hackintosh don't allow piracy, in fact they encourage you to buy a retail DVD.. I myself have a retail version of Snow Leopard.. An example I'm talking about is TonyMacx86, discussing or sharing pirated versions of Snow Leopard or Lion is against the rules on his website/forums..

But what you may be talking about is Mac OS distributions for unsupported hardware like AMD, those are modified versions of Mac OS that are meant to work on unsupported hardware, and yes those are pirated..

But not everyone with a Hackintosh uses pirated software..

 

[BlackMangoTree]

I definitely will be buying it even though i downloaded it already. At $30 it's so cheap.

 

[aristobrat]

I've just invested nearly US$6000 on Apple hardware this year - two iMac 27in BTO's in June alone, neither came with Lion installed or a card allowing for a free download when it becomes available on the App Store

Um, right. The day Apple officially announces the ship date for a new OS (like they did on June 6th for Lion), any Mac purchased on (or after) that date is eligible to get the OS for free. Your two BTOs may be eligible for a free update, but I guess it's pointless if you never will use the App Store.

Macs don't start coming with the new OS upgrade DVD included in the box (or a download code, as it is for Lion) until the day the OS is available for retail sale.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/uptodate/

 

[GoCubsGo]

I've just invested nearly US$6000 on Apple hardware this year - two iMac 27in BTO's in June alone, neither came with Lion installed or a card allowing for a free download when it becomes available on the App Store - is this enough payment to Apple to allow me a free/pirated copy of Lion?

Further, I've never used the App Store or ITunes store and will never use them - I've jailbroken my mobile devices and have so much more functionality.

Further, and given the companies current market capitalisation and more than US$60 billion in the bank, I have no intention of using cloud-based services be they Apple or Google - do you actually think I'd really believe all my content is secure if I store it on someone else's server - for that is all iCloud is.

Given the cost of storage, I'll invest in my own storage, this includes 3T upgrades to my iMac HDD's, RAID system of 6T and Time Machine back-ups.

If my home burns down, I'll be stuffed, well not really - I also back-up one computer fully at my parents home.

In my own opinion, the Lion upgrade should be free to encourage those with older machines to upgrade to latest technology, technology we expect to get 4-5 years of worth out of before having to upgrade again.

What are you smoking? Further, what are you really smoking?
An OS upgrade free to keep you current? Yeah ok. It's $30 FFS.