M1 chip fast my ass...

[bobcomer]

And none of that has any bearing on whether the M1 performs impressively. It just means it's not the right chip for your needs.

And one's definition of performs!

 

[boss.king]

And one's definition of performs!

I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.

 

[deconstruct60]

I doubt many Windows developers have been hosting their development environment on a 32bit version of Windows for over a decade at this point.

Tightly clinging to the legacy features from 20+ years ago isn't about the "many"; it is almost always about the 'few'. Trying to be "everything for everybody" is primary about chasing all possible niches with a limited product mix.

There is a Windows OIT version. MS has pushed using Windows as an OS for kioks and computer controlled manufacturing tools.

 

[ian87w]

Wow, 12 pages?

 

[bobcomer]

I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.

You count power in the "performs", I don't.

 

[boss.king]

You count power in the "performs", I don't.

So what you're saying is the M1 is bad if you ignore all its strengths and only count its weaknesses.

 

[JMacHack]

But we don't have M1X or M2. We know what the M1 does, and it's not that impressive.

I genuinely have no idea what you're trying to say.

“Until it beats my nuclear furnace PC it’s ****”

Edit: the goalposts will be moved afterwards to:
“It doesn’t matter because it doesn’t run Windows x86 software, still ****”

 

[leman]

But we don't have M1X or M2. We know what the M1 does, and it's not that impressive.

I understand what you mean, but I really have to disagree. I think it is very impressive for a $1000 passively cooled business ultrabook. It is not a beasty GPU by any means, but it’s a very good package for many people who are looking at a high-quality laptop for study or work that doesn’t break the bank.

 

[bobcomer]

So what you're saying is the M1 is bad if you ignore all its strengths and only count its weaknesses.

No, I'm saying power usage doesn't mean anything to me when talking about PC's, no more no less. The same would go for intel processors. (or any other kind of processor)

And I said it wasn't impressive, not bad, and that still goes, it's a middle of the road processor right now and that's it.

 

[JMacHack]

I understand what you mean, but I really have to disagree. I think it is very impressive for a $1000 passively cooled business ultrabook. It is not a beasty GPU by any means, but it’s a very good package for many people who are looking at a high-quality laptop for study or work that doesn’t break the bank.

Bobcomer makes the same argument every thread that talks about the performance of the M1, which doesn’t suit his needs. Fair enough.

What the issue is is extrapolating this argument outward. “It doesn’t perform as well as my 100w desktop cpu, it’s unimpressive” or “it doesn’t run the software I use, it’s useless”

It’s like arguing the moon landing was pointless because you’re not an astronaut.

 

[bobcomer]

I understand what you mean, but I really have to disagree. I think it is very impressive for a $1000 passively cooled business ultrabook. It is not a beasty GPU by any means, but it’s a very good package for many people who are looking at a high-quality laptop for study or work that doesn’t break the bank.

My M1MBA cost $1600, and it doesn't fit my usage at all. As for others, it's not what I would suggest, but I'm sure it fits a lot of people's usage, just not mine or PC's where I work.

 

[bobcomer]

Bobcomer makes the same argument every thread that talks about the performance of the M1, which doesn’t suit his needs. Fair enough.

What the issue is is extrapolating this argument outward. “It doesn’t perform as well as my 100w desktop cpu, it’s unimpressive” or “it doesn’t run the software I use, it’s useless”

It’s like arguing the moon landing was pointless because you’re not an astronaut.

I am comparing it to laptops.

 

[zarathu]

That bootup comparison is kinda dumb, but real-world non-Geekbench tests show the M1 is not exactly the apex everyone seems to dream it is (no, it's just more proprietary and locked-down):

It is if the software is optimized for it. Affinity Photo(and Designer) optimized for the m1, simply blows away the competition.

 

[zarathu]

My M1MBA cost $1600, and it doesn't fit my usage at all. As for others, it's not what I would suggest, but I'm sure it fits a lot of people's usage, just not mine or PC's where I work.

Good to know. Wha exactly is your usage, so we can know if you are the same as us?

 

[ian87w]

My M1MBA cost $1600, and it doesn't fit my usage at all. As for others, it's not what I would suggest, but I'm sure it fits a lot of people's usage, just not mine or PC's where I work.

Wait, you spent $1600 on a laptop that doesn’t even fit your usage? Why?

 

[zarathu]

The M1 is fast yes, but the boot time of macOS as got worse every year...

I almost never reboot----in 35 years of using a mac. Mine always runs out of sleep.

 

[boss.king]

No, I'm saying power usage doesn't mean anything to me when talking about PC's, no more no less. The same would go for intel processors. (or any other kind of processor)

And I said it wasn't impressive, not bad, and that still goes, it's a middle of the road processor right now and that's it.

And that’s a fundamentally flawed assessment. It may work for you and your needs but it makes it hard to take your points seriously.

 

[zarathu]

Wait, you spent $1600 on a laptop that doesn’t even fit your usage? Why?

Probably just went into a store and bought it because somebody said to do it. I have never done that. I will buy the m1x, because it will dramatically change my workflow used Affinity Photo. And because my old 2013 MBP which still highly functional is falling behind the times with the kind of work I do in photography. And the intel mac versions don’t measure up for that usage. I will keep the 2013 to run a few very important programs in windows that will never be ported or improved on on the apple interface.

 

[ian87w]

Probably just went into a store and bought it because somebody said to do it. I have never done that. I will buy the m1x, because it will dramatically change my workflow used Affinity Photo. And because my old 2013 MBP which still highly functional is falling behind the times with the kind of work I do in photography. And the intel mac versions don’t measure up for that usage. I will keep the 2013 to run a few very important programs in windows that will never be ported or improved on on the apple interface.

Hopefully he returned it. I mean no offense, but keeping a $1600 of a tool that doesn’t work is, well, silly.

 

[zarathu]

macOS follows the similar pattern, when enough users are on arm64, macOS software will be compiled for arm64. It is OK to lose some vintage software, just like it’s OK to not run PPC software on an Intel Mac.

I have an old 2013 MBP running virtual box for those pieces of software that will only run on windows. It's easy. And you can buy one of these machines for dirt cheap.

 

[bobcomer]

Good to know. Wha exactly is your usage, so we can know if you are the same as us?

General business mostly, plus midrange computer tools and remote access to various types of systems, various format conversions, plus in house Windows apps. I'm not into video, gaming, or photo processing. I'm the IT Manger where I work. I'm not under the impression my personal needs are typical, nor do I really care, my needs are my needs.

 

[cupcakes2000]

But we don't have M1X or M2. We know what the M1 does, and it's not that impressive.

Impressive compared to what though?

It’s impressive compared to the previous gen machine they replace.

It’s impressive compared to several discrete mid range dGPU’s on the market.

what are you comparing it too? High end dGPU’s? Specialist gaming units? High end cpus?

I ask because you deny categorically it’s very impressive, but in actual fact it is very impressive for its level.

 

[bobcomer]

Wait, you spent $1600 on a laptop that doesn’t even fit your usage? Why?

I like new stuff and I was excited about all the hype surrounding the M1. I didn't know it didn't fit my usage -- I bought it the first day and believed Apple when they said I could run a Windows VM on it if I needed it, which I do.

As you've noticed, I said I made a mistake in this thread. Live and learn. I still have Apple devices and want to see them get better, so please don't say I shouldn't be here, that's just pure snobbishness.

 

[darknetone]

Yawn,....

 

[bobcomer]

And that’s a fundamentally flawed assessment. It may work for you and your needs but it makes it hard to take your points seriously.

You can't say my assessment is flawed based on your own needs.