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ian87w

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I like new stuff and I was excited about all the hype surrounding the M1. I didn't know it didn't fit my usage -- I bought it the first day and believed Apple when they said I could run a Windows VM on it if I needed it, which I do.

As you've noticed, I said I made a mistake in this thread. Live and learn. I still have Apple devices and want to see them get better, so please don't say I shouldn't be here, that's just pure snobbishness.
Did Apple actually say that you can run Windows VM on the M1? They only said Linux if I remembered.
 
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boss.king

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You can't say my assessment is flawed based on your own needs.
And that's why I didn't. I haven't once mentioned my needs. I said if you measure the M1 against equivalent chips from competitors then it actually performs really well. If you measure it against a different class of chips in an entirely different class of laptops while also ignoring its core benefit and the competitors' biggest weaknesses then you're bound to come to flawed conclusions.

It may work for your assessment needs, but it's an objectively bad measure of the chip.
 
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bobcomer

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Hopefully he returned it. I mean no offense, but keeping a $1600 of a tool that doesn’t work is, well, silly.
Nope, I was waiting for updates to make it fit what I need better. That's the trouble with purchasing a V1 product on day one. I'm still waiting!

I'm really not the type to return something just because I don't like it either. That's a purchase in bad faith to me.
 

bobcomer

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Impressive compared to what though?

It’s impressive compared to the previous gen machine they replace.

It’s impressive compared to several discrete mid range dGPU’s on the market.

what are you comparing it too? High end dGPU’s? Specialist gaming units? High end cpus?

I ask because you deny categorically it’s very impressive, but in actual fact it is very impressive for its level.
Other computers.

It isn't impressive to me.

Again, other computers I own and use. Some have dGPU's, but I don't really compare that as I don't really need heavy GPU's for what I do.

Impressive for it's level??? Might as well not compare it to other machines at all, as it's level is a real nebulous term.
 

dgdosen

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... plus in house Windows apps.

Going forward, I wouldn't think any mac could meet those needs. If MS keeps Apple Silicon support as an "unsupported scenario", I doubt Bootcamp nor Parallels will be an adequate solution. In that case, I'd probably stick to a Dell.

I (and many?) would be in your shoes if Apple ever closed the doors like that on interoperability/virtualization of Linux.
 

bobcomer

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And that's why I didn't. I haven't once mentioned my needs. I said if you measure the M1 against equivalent chips from competitors then it actually performs really well. If you measure it against a different class of chips in an entirely different class of laptops while also ignoring its core benefit and the competitors' biggest weaknesses then you're bound to come to flawed conclusions.

It may work for your assessment needs, but it's an objectively bad measure of the chip.
I haven't mentioned your needs at all, just mine. And no, you cannot comment on my assessment at all and be correct as you are projecting your ideals on me.

Did Apple actually say that you can run Windows VM on the M1? They only said Linux if I remembered.
Yes, they even showed it running a Windows VM in the announcement event.

No. Of course they didn’t.
BS! They most certainly did.
 

cupcakes2000

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Other computers.

It isn't impressive to me.

Again, other computers I own and use. Some have dGPU's, but I don't really compare that as I don't really need heavy GPU's for what I do.

Impressive for it's level??? Might as well not compare it to other machines at all, as it's level is a real nebulous term.
It’s not impressive compared to its predecessor? It’s not competitive for its price range? Don’t talk *****.
BS! They most certainly did.
Then you’ll be able to supply the portion of the video clip where they said it then.
 
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boss.king

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I haven't mentioned your needs at all, just mine. And no, you cannot comment on my assessment at all and be correct as you are projecting your ideals on me.

You literally brought up my needs in your last response to me. And yes, I can comment on your assessment, this is literally the reason internet forums exist. Your assessment is flawed and so your conclusion is wrong. I've been clear as to why. No projection, just straightforward reasoning.
 
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dgdosen

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Yes, they even showed it running a Windows VM in the announcement event.
In the 2020 WWDC keynote, they discussed virtualization of Linux. No mention of Windows
They also mentioned Rosetta will support X86-64 binaries, but that's for applications, not windows.

This is certainly a step back for those wanting to run Bootcamp/WindowsVM, but never promised.
 

bobcomer

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Going forward, I wouldn't think any mac could meet those needs.
That's entirely possible if nobody comes out with a decent x86 emulator for the new Macs. In the meantime, my intel Macs still do wonders.

If MS keeps Apple Silicon support as an "unsupported scenario", I doubt Bootcamp nor Parallels will be an adequate solution. In that case, I'd probably stick to a Dell.
That's part of it, but I actually i don't mind the unsupported scenario -- it's the licensing I'm worried about.

I never used bootcamp, always VM's.

I like Lenovo over dell :), though my best current laptop is a dell. It's too heavy though. (XPS15)

In the 2020 WWDC keynote, they discussed virtualization of Linux. No mention of Windows
They also mentioned Rosetta will support X86-64 binaries, but that's for applications, not windows.

This is certainly a step back for those wanting to run Bootcamp/WindowsVM, but never promised.
It was in the November announcement for the M1 MBA and MBP's. They *showed* it running a Windows VM.

I think if that had really happened, but when released it wasn’t true, macrumours would have 1000000+ post threads on it, which would still be active. Until OP supplies the part of the event where it was said, I call BS.
BS yourself, they showed it running a Windows vm in the November 2020 announcement event.
 

bobcomer

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Here's a link to that video - when did they do that?

You have 45 minutes to review it? I know I don't.

Even if I'm wrong about that particular event, I know I saw it running Windows before I purchased the M1 MBA, and that's part of why I bought it. Just google Windows and November 2020 and see all the references to parallels and Windows...
 
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GrumpyCoder

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Don't think Apple ever showed running Windows in a VM, others did that. However, Craig Federighi stated in an interview with ArsTechnica they could run Windows natively on M-series, but it would be up to MS to support it.
 

bobcomer

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Don't think Apple ever showed running Windows in a VM, others did that. However, Craig Federighi stated in an interview with ArsTechnica they could run Windows natively on M-series, but it would be up to MS to support it.
I was sure they did, but whatever, in whatever I saw it, it was definitely part of my decision to buy the MBA.
 

bobcomer

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If you're not outside of or abusing the return policy I see nothing wrong with it.
I'm not saying it's wrong to do, just not something I normally do, even though it's available to do.

Never know, I may find a good use for it, or someone else that needs it.
 
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bobcomer

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This has devolved into madness
All because I'm not impressed with the M1. Yep, madness.

Lets all just agree to disagree, after all, it's all just opinion given the term "impressed". My opinion is no more valuable than anyone else's, and their opinions are no more important than mine.

You'd think ran over their pet dog intentionally.
 
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jdb8167

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I was sure they did, but whatever, in whatever I saw it, it was definitely part of my decision to buy the MBA.
Sorry, but you are misremembering the video. Apple definitely did not reference Windows and they certainly did not show a Windows VM. You can watch the video again when you have time but you should stop saying something that is trivially easy to prove wrong.
 

cupcakes2000

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BS yourself, they showed it running a Windows vm in the November 2020 announcement event
Except, I’m not the one saying they did. I’m asking you to prove your multiple claims. I’m not the one speaking bs.
I was sure they did, but whatever, in whatever I saw it, it was definitely part of my decision to buy the MBA.
So you got it becuase you misunderstood. That’s only your fault- it’s not anyone else’s. It’s certainly not a reason to be mad at everyone. Just admit it to yourself and move on.
 

jdb8167

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You have 45 minutes to review it? I know I don't.

Even if I'm wrong about that particular event, I know I saw it running Windows before I purchased the M1 MBA, and that's part of why I bought it. Just google Windows and November 2020 and see all the references to parallels and Windows...
The Windows VM on the Parallels Technical Preview wasn’t released by Parallels until December. Please stop spreading misinformation. You did not see a video of a Windows VM on an M1 at launch.

Edit: The first video of Windows on Arm running in a VM was 10 days after release of the M1 Macs when Alexander Graf demoed on a modified version of QEMU.
 
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dgdosen

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Here are my thoughts about this thread:

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