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iPad Pro M1 iPad pro reviews' recap
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If we assume that Apple introduces some fundamentally new resource-heavy iPadOS 15 features, what about the lower-specs iPads? iPad 8, Air 4, iPad Mini and some previous generations? This is a strange situation and I wonder what Apple’s solution will be.
Not all that strange. Apple will just treat them differently. They do it all the time.
M1 Macs get access to the iPad store.
"Pro" iPhones get access to Pro RAW
AirPod Pros get Spacial Audio
iPad lacks Generation 2 Pencil support even though it launched after the second generation pencil.
There are lots of unique features Apple limits to a subset of devices on the OS.
I think the M1 iPad Pros are most compelling to those who were maxing out the performance of the 2018/2020. Otherwise, it’s not enough of a change. Yes the screen will look better, yes apps won’t refresh as much, but otherwise, it’s a marginally different experience. I would love to have one but I know that for me, I won’t benefit from the increased performance and screen of the new one. I think there’s probably a lot of excitement around the RAM and M1 inside of an iPad Pro, but RAM and CPU have probably never been the limiting factor in iPad Pro experience. It’s always been iPadOS limitations. Hopefully iPadOS 15 changes all that.
Well, as history has shown… previous generation iPads will have features withheld as @LogicalApex mention. At this point, we don’t know what Apple plans to introduce… but the specs are there with the newest iPad Pros to push iPadOS to new grounds.
As far as the rumored redesign HomeScreen… all compatible iPads will be able experience that, I think what will distinguish the new iPad Pros from previous generation will be the apps. Some apps will be limited to the new iPad Pros.
iPad 4 and older never got multitasking support.
iPad Air only got limited multitasking (PiP?) while the Air 2 got split-view, etc.
A9X-based iPad Pros were limited to 2 windows active while A10X-based and newer got 3.
Basically, limit the new features to devices with sufficient hardware to handle them. Optimistically, that would include 2020 iPad Pro with 6GB RAM and 128GB base storage. Maybe even the A12X 2018 Pros.
Almost within the margin of error with the MBA and like 5% lower than the MBP
Yes and the sames goes for power apps. Look at the AAA game that was just introduced for iPad ($25).
It only supports USB C iPads... so A12X or better
Another benefit of OLED would be that you can make the device thinner (the larger S7+ is clearly thinner and definitely lighter than the smaller Tab S7), since there is one less layer..
The disadvantage is that it's not easy to have promotion with OLED. Not even Samsung managed to do it on their TAB S7+ (they only did it in the Note 20), nor Apple could do it with the iPhone 12 last year. Therefore the S7+ has 120hz fixed, which drains more battery compared to the 120hz variable of the smaller IPS Tab S7.
The screenshots speak for themselves.
It's no wonder Apple is going all out mini LED for their upcoming products, except in cases where cost (iPad Air) or flexiblity (folding iPhone) require OLED. In most practical situations, mini LED is a better choice because it offers brightness (1,000/1,600 nits) that OLED can't come close to. Samsung's 12.4" AMOLED Galaxy Tab S7+ reaches only 430 nits. Nitpickers looking under a microscope in a dark room will yell "blooming," but for the rest of us, mini LED is an outstanding display that makes OLED a thing of the past.
This makes the most sense! I found it curious that MKBHD still uses a 2018, and said he’ll continue to use it. I think he’s waiting for massive functionality improvements to iPadOS before he makes the next move. As am I.
Hard to unsee after you've seen it. Plus, after that comparison his other videos fell apart due to outside forces directing him what to do then his next display comparison was done with a sunny window in the background that would mask the differences.
Then, he stopped comparing display side by side altogether.
https://www.youtube.com/c/justvids50/videos
I really wish the partisan attitude would cease. Both Mini LED and OLED have their positives and negatives and they can and should coexsist. They both are pushing boundaries and making the other competing tech improve year after year. I have an 65" OLED TV that I absolutely swear by, but I also know that it has limitations. HDR content could benefit greatly by 1000nit and even 1600nit peak brightness. That's simply not something my LG can do. I am limited to roughly 600nits (ISF calibrated).
Mini LED at 2500 zones is not going to be perfect, but from the examples I'm seeing already, it will be quite, quite good. The mini LED zone count reminds me of the Sony Z9D TV which had 1000+ zones and that looked fantastic. Not perfect, but still fantastic.
And I saw a photo example earlier in this thread showing the new iPP off-axis. That's really not a fair comparison because that's when blooming will be most noticeable in any backlit LCD/LED. Plus camera exposure could be exacerbating the blooming artificially, too.
Maybe the best thing to do is wait until we personally get our hands on this and see how it is for ourselves (two more days until mine's delivered).
Mini LED at 2500 zones is not going to be perfect, but from the examples I'm seeing already, it will be quite, quite good. The mini LED zone count reminds me of the Sony Z9D TV which had 1000+ zones and that looked fantastic. Not perfect, but still fantastic.
And I saw a photo example earlier in this thread showing the new iPP off-axis. That's really not a fair comparison because that's when blooming will be most noticeable in any backlit LCD/LED. Plus camera exposure could be exacerbating the blooming artificially, too.
Maybe the best thing to do is wait until we personally get our hands on this and see how it is for ourselves (two more days until mine's delivered).
I am not trying to defend OLED or MiniLED, just giving my experience. The TAB S7+ looks just as bright as my iPad pro 11 at max brightness if not more, and way brighter than my 424 nits iPad pro from 2015...(based on a very accurate measurement by a specialized site)
I don't know if it's because of OLED but that's my experience. Maybe when it's sunny I'll take a picture to show the difference (now it's evening here)
PS I went looking for some measurements online and I think this is linked to the technology, for instance one review said that in one of their tests they measured a peak brightness of 541 nits, but it depends on many things (manual vs automatic mode, if the environment is very bright or not etc.)
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I wasn’t really surprised that he still uses the 2018 model… I just thought it was an interesting nugget. But he left a debatable thought hanging at the end, which is Apple purposely holding back iPadOS in favor of keeping the Mac desirable.
Rene mention in one of those MacBreak Weekly Podcast, which is internally it’s a fight within Apple competing between the Mac and iPad. And MKBHD gave a glimpse into that.. because he mention if Apple addressed a few features for iPadOS, he would consider the iPad over the Mac.
Tbh, it’s kind of good problem for Apple to have… but eventually one will win out to the point it becomes a discontinued product. However, that’s years.. maybe decades from now.
I think it is no different than Mac apps that have certain requirements in processor, ram, etc. If Logic is released for the iPad, it could easily require an M1 iPad Pro, and you wouldn’t be able to purchase otherwise.
The amount of people defending miniLED is hilarious right now. If Apple does go OLED, so many people are gonna see the benefits of OLED suddenly.Nobody cared about black levels on the previous models. miniLED is an awesome compromised, but it still doesn't hold a candle to OLED. For Apple it's about cost and scalability .
Isn't that a logical factor for Apple to concern itself with?
People already scream about the cost of iPP now, want to add things to increase that cost?
Also Apple has to answer to the inevitable share holders so they aren't allowed to produce a product at a considerable loss. Until the cost of OLED is acceptable ( and it's manufacturing issues as well ), doesn't it make sense for Apple to look elsewhere?
I have no idea about others but I will take a mini led any day over oled because of less flickering (easier on the eyes) and high color accuracy. Color accuracy is very important if they really want to call their device 'pro'. Extra contrast is just a nice to have for me.
If you’re drawing on a white canvas,or viewing a webpage with a white background, or looking at content in a well-lit room, and you are working with SDR content, there is essentially zero benefit from dimming zones, so any small deficiencies will tip the scales.
99% sure that is just camera overexposure. I would say 100%, but Apple applies some dynamic contrast to full screen video on my iPad Pro 10.5”, which clips highlights. I have to turn on assistive touch to override it. Friggin’ Apple.
Throw a starfield video on there, and the right screen will look blotchy
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