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Abazigal

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Apple always denies they are doing something until they just do it. For now, with Mac sales booming, it still makes sense for the iPad to be a separate product. But there is no longer a technological reason why they can't release an iPad Pro that runs macOS apps. If the market moves in that direction, Apple can basically turn on a dime and release an integrated product. Perhaps they are waiting for more apps to make the transition from iPadOS to Mac.

With Apple, I find that they do (or don’t do) many things not because of technological constraints, but philosophical ones.

For example, they never brought replaceable batteries and expandable storage to the iphone, because they felt that it would compromise the design of the product.

They removed the headphone jack from the iphone for a similar reason - they want to push users to embrace wireless accessories, for no other apparent reason than they have this “utopian” vision of everyone doing so.

I agree that there is nothing stopping an ipad from running macOS (and running it well). I just don’t see Apple doing so because that’s not how they envision people using an iPad.
 
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louistrevino

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Well I have to walk it back after seeing 8GB/16GB RAM options in these new M1 iPad's. That means Apple must have something big in store for iPadOS at WWDC.
One can only hope. I have reservations about holding out hope for Apple's pro apps on iPad. I understand the form factor having different emphases and strengths, but putting Pro in the name and not including Pro apps (or not allowing other IDEs for that matter) really takes away a lot of the value in adding Pro to the name.
 

UBS28

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So the new 12.9 looks great, hardware wise. M1, mini-LED, thunderbolt.

But why? Everything is still limited by iPadOS. No new pro app announcements. No new capabilities. Basically this iPad can do everything the 2020 iPad Pro 12.9 does, but slightly faster and brighter.

Only reason I would upgrade is if someone could find a way to virtualize macOS and I could run Xcode there, while still using iPadOS for everything else...

Because the M1 is basically an A14X. So might as well put the M1 in the iPad Pro.

What's the point to make 2 chips which are the same speed? TMSC is already struggling getting enough chips out as it is.

Now if you are going to notice any speed difference on the iPad Pro, probably not due the software on the iPad being so limited.
 
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ForkHandles

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I imagine at WWDC we are getting Xcode, Final Cut, and Logic Pro for iPad. Next year likely the ability to dual boot to Mac OS.
You want to code on a 13” screen? Ooomph, good luck with that friend. I can’t imagine a workflow being less productive.
 

ofarlig

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I really don’t think Apple will put Mac OS on the iPad. I rather think they will work with and make tools for developers to put Mac OS apps on the iPad, adding actual mouse support for full screen apps would be one change to make it more appealing for developers. Right now the cursor can’t be locked and used for things like mouse look in games and such.
 

bronksy

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I'm still on the 2018 iPad Pro. I had a trade in lined up last week for £750 for my iPad thinking I'd jump on the new one.
It will still cost me another 1k to do the upgrade- so not sure it's worth it.

I was holding out to see Final Cut on the new iPads. This would be the killer app for me. Otherwise I dont think the new ones do anything better (ok - yes faster) than what I already have.

Seeing them show Lumafusion on all their marketing and promo stuff I am not hopeful FCP is coming to the iPad anytime soon BUT the ability to jump from the iPad to desktop even if it's using a thunderbolt 3 SSD as a scratch drive.

At the moment the price is a little too much to bear without knowing even a hint it would work with the Apple pro apps. I wont get the trade in value by WWDC but then it could be Xmas before anything announced at WWDC appears.

May never happen of course.
 

ForkHandles

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People use the MacBook Air, MacBook Pro 13", and external displays.
Thats still a hard job! Add to it a iPad virtual keyboard that covers half the screen and you must be working at 50% efficiency. Yes you can use an external keyboard and broadcast the screen to an external display but ....... why? Just buy the right hardware for the right job.
 
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jeremiah256

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Thats still a hard job! Add to it a iPad virtual keyboard that covers half the screen and you must be working at 50% efficiency. Yes you can use an external keyboard and broadcast the screen to an external display but ....... why? Just buy the right hardware for the right job.
With all due respect, you seem to be ignoring the workflow of a large amount of people.

My work issued computer is a laptop. And at work it’s always connected to a keyboard, monitors, and a mouse. When I bring it home, it again is attached to a KVM setup. It is not hard and I very much doubt my workflow is anyway unique.

It would work the same with an iPad that has full external display capabilities.
 

Macalway

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It occurred to me that Rosseta should run on these. So what?

I haven't clue, but it's interesting. I don't want to speculate (mostly as it's early in the morning for me), but there are possibilities here, at least.

I'm seeing a lot of 'iPad get's the M1, why?' The software is crippling it. Apple is going to get so much heat, they will come up with something, if they haven't already. One thing they haven't been, is inflexible.
 
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ForkHandles

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With all due respect, you seem to be ignoring the workflow of a large amount of people.

My work issued computer is a laptop. And at work it’s always connected to a keyboard, monitors, and a mouse. When I bring it home, it again is attached to a KVM setup. It is not hard and I very much doubt my workflow is anyway unique.

It would work the same with an iPad that has full external display capabilities.
Your right about my ignorance, I haven’t coded professionally for eight years. When I did I needed two screens 1.5 for the IDE and 0.5 for reference materials. I would try to work from home on a single screen and found it so very frustrating. Can’t imagine doing it on an iPad or two stacked on boxes to get it ergonomically situated.
 

Ethosik

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iPhone and the most powerful Macs will be the same eventually. Running the same type of software. The only difference will be - cores, RAM and more. Therefore, the choice will be - want to use a touch screen? Go iPad. Want to use a classic desktop experience, use a Mac.
 

Ethosik

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Your right about my ignorance, I haven’t coded professionally for eight years. When I did I needed two screens 1.5 for the IDE and 0.5 for reference materials. I would try to work from home on a single screen and found it so very frustrating. Can’t imagine doing it on an iPad or two stacked on boxes to get it ergonomically situated.
You can have two or even three monitors connected to a KVM setup. That is what I have. While I mostly use my work laptop in clamshell mode, I can still open it up and have a third monitor.
 

Ethosik

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Now they need to encourage developers to write apps optimized for 16 GB of RAM and have a separate category on the App Store. I feel like a lot of apps are held back because they need to work well across all of the iPad models. It is time to differentiate PRO apps.
This is a massive increase in RAM, very unusual as I believe the current iPad Pro still is at 6GB. I think we will see at WWDC that true multi tasking will be supported.
 

NT1440

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It occurred to me that Rosseta should run on these. So what?

I haven't clue, but it's interesting. I don't want to speculate (mostly as it's early in the morning for me), but there are possibilities here, at least.

I'm seeing a lot of 'iPad get's the M1, why?' The software is crippling it. Apple is going to get so much heat, they will come up with something, if they haven't already. One thing they haven't been, is inflexible.
It’s going to be a very big year for iPadOS at WWDC...
 
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