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Sensamic

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Mar 26, 2010
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For a device I use 8-16 hours a day, I don’t actually mind spending $2000 every 3 years. That comes out to, what, $56/mo?

That said, I don’t see anything compelling with the 2024 iPad Pros for my use so I won’t be upgrading.
Just for comparison I use my iMac 8 hours a day and it will last me 10 years just like my previous iMac. That is the kind of longevity I expect from my technological purchases, although I understand that with phones we upgrade more oftenly.
 

emembee

macrumors 6502
Oct 31, 2013
328
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Surrey,UK
I am thinking of upgrading but am wondering if battery life will be improved or not for the 11 inch, mine is not good vs the older 12.9 2020 model and is less than a year old. So I would want the 13 inch but it is really more than i wanted to spend. The m2 13 air might be a better solution but no promotion. Think I'll wait for the reviews and also check in store. The lighter weight of the m4 is appealing though!
 

bob24

macrumors 6502a
Sep 25, 2012
641
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Dublin, Ireland
Just for comparison I use my iMac 8 hours a day and it will last me 10 years just like my previous iMac. That is the kind of longevity I expect from my technological purchases, although I understand that with phones we upgrade more oftenly.

I could be wrong, but my gut feeling is that with the move from Intel to Apple silicon, you might find it more difficult to keep your Macs for 10 years, due to the impossibility to upgrade the RAM/storage and the larger gap there seems to be between each generation vs Intel stuff.
 

macphoto861

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May 20, 2021
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Leaning toward staying put (11" M1). I don't care about the front camera position, and I'm on the fence about whether or not the improved screen would really benefit me. Having to buy a new Pencil is also something I'd not be thrilled about. Psychologically, knowing that the 256gb model has a hobbled CPU (3 performance cores) is hard to get past as well... yes, I realize this is a superficial concern, something I wouldn't notice if I didn't read about it, and it's probably faster than the M1's 4 performance cores, but it still rubs me the wrong way.
 

AR15MBP

macrumors 6502
Jan 6, 2009
254
5
USA
I was able to get a 12.9 M1 with 1TB and 5G last year at Best Buy for $1199.99. Crazy deal, but regardless of that, Apple silicon is too good. M1 should handle my needs for a few more years, and Mini-LED has been great in my eyes. OLED may be better, but the price jump and lack of additional blockbuster features is not enough for me to pay so much more to upgrade.
 

nStyle

macrumors 68000
Dec 6, 2009
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The only thing I'm salty about is they made the keyboard how it should've been to start with. It's retains the nice soft texture on the outside while giving a complete MacBook-like feel on the inside. It makes the old one look like a toy and a complete rip off. Honestly, that's the biggest reason I'd want to upgrade. Also shaving half a pound or whatever it is would be nice.

If my 2021 setup (iPP, MKB, Pencil) sells for what I want, I'll upgrade, but I see no reason to give it away. I'll just keep it and buy a 2024 since it's been 3 years since I've bought a new iPad anyway.

OLED, while nice, still not really a must for me as OLED for me is most useful for gaming and the iPad still isn't really there for that...MiniLED still gives a great HDR experience and deep blacks.

But no, I'm not in any hurry and I'll definitely wait for a discount if I buy one at all. I've been using my 14" M1 MBP a lot lately and have not really missed the iPad. We'll see what WWDC brings.

Following up...I just sold my 12.9 M1 Pro and everything today. I wasn't using it much because I've been using my MBP a lot more. I was going back and forth between selling or not but finally decided on it.

I figure I'd go ahead and get the most out of it and when the new iPads go on sale I may pick one up...or not.

I prefer larger 16:10 screens I think and even 14" makes a big difference. Plus it's only 0.5 pounds heavier when I travel and much more useful. Also when I only take the iPad, although it's better for the plane and chilling in bed, I always feel a little limited. I don't need to necessarily work from a computer, but I like the ability to tinker when desired.

If I do buy an M4 OLED, it will be the 11" I think. 12.9" is too close to my MBP and the only reason I bought it in 2021 was for MiniLED.
 
I'm using a Chargie to keep my iPad's at 55% around the house since I only have the tablets in use for an hour or two before returning them to the charger. The software/hardware combo is janky but overall does the trick.

I've had a few Apple devices go bad from sitting on the charger at 100% too much and i'm pretty much done with having battery powered devices die for no reason.
I’m hoping the latest iPadOS and these new iPads will get the “Charging Optimization” feature of the iPhones. This feature—when turned on—allow me to only charge my device to 80%.
 
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The Clark

macrumors 6502a
Dec 11, 2013
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I definitely won't be upgrading. Apple really missed the chance to convince me to upgrade...

Although the iPad form factor hasn't changed enough to invalidate the Magic Keyboard they nuked compatibility with the existing one on the new iPad. The same is true for the pencil.

As a result, upgrading my M1 1TB 12.9" iPad Pro would cost be ~$2500 US since I'd also need to replace my Magic Keyboard and Pencil. That's really too steep.

It also is making the iPad harder and harder to justify buying again. If I do it will likely be for nothing more than an iPad Air. For a pro iPad with extremely expensive accessories like the keyboard to be obsolete is sad.

My HHKB cost as much as the Magic Keyboard and will last me countless iPads since it connects via Bluetooth. The same is true for all third party keyboards that are bluetooth.

Pro devices should have some expectation that you're not uselessly changing auxiliary tools for no real reason...

And a keyboard isn't small accessory. Changing keyboards, especially with new keys and etc, can upset your muscle memory and reduce your productivity for a bit on the device. There is a reason I carry my HHKB around with me and whatnot.
Most people aren’t going to be carrying around a 60% mech keyboard though..
 

LogicalApex

macrumors 65816
Nov 13, 2015
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Most people aren’t going to be carrying around a 60% mech keyboard though..
My point was more that changing a keyboard isn’t a small deal. There are people still using their ancient Apple keyboard with their modern Mac’s since you can plug it in or go Bluetooth and keep that muscle memory.

The new keyboard form factor hasn’t changed. Nor has the mechanism. Apple should make the accessories last as long as possible for professionals.

But Apple is trying too hard to boost revenue by mandating rebuying all of the accessories on an upgrade.

That isn’t as painful on the iPhone where they make you buy a new $50 case if you’re a case person. But a $250 keyboard isn’t a “cheap” purchase. That’s an investment.

I say that sincerely as my HHKB was cheaper and it is an investment. Just like any other mechanical top end keyboard.

Especially since keyboards themselves aren’t changing all that much… They are the most stable part of the computer experience that has endured the longest.
 

leebroath

macrumors 65816
Jul 26, 2010
1,357
951
Scotland
I was on the fence a little, mainly for the new OLED screen and I love new Apple products.

But I have the M1 2021 11“ 3rd Gen, and the only reason I’d use the OLED would really be for a couple films and watching YouTube Videos, and a little editing my Drone videos / photos.

I would then need to try sell this, and then there’s the new accessories outlay, Pencil, Logitech Keyboard (when released) and a screen protector, that’s already an extra £300 on top, plus extra to make up the new iPad difference.

I checked my battery health for my M1 which is sitting at 88%, fine for a purchase on April 2022

The M1 chip for my needs is still going very much strong.
 

leebroath

macrumors 65816
Jul 26, 2010
1,357
951
Scotland
iPadOS hasn't really improved in years.

Which is what MKBHD pointed out,

The iPad is still just a hardware iPad, but the software really needs pushed more to use the power of what is available…and it just doesn’t do it. The iPads are so overpowered and will never use what’s available.

 

Darth Tulhu

macrumors 68020
I WANT TO, but no. I must resist new-gen temptation.

Truth is, for me today even a base iPad would work.

But when I bought my M1 12.9" Pro it was the only game in town as far as that size, and I wanted the nicer screen, more RAM and storage (16GB 1TB), as it was meant to be a laptop replacement (which didn't quite work out - I bought an M2 MBA I LOVE).

That said, I'm STILL amazed at how light mine is for its size, so I better stay THE HELL out of the Apple Store...

I actually think that getting a refurb M1 iPad now is a great, MBA M1-level value.

PS: I wish Apple made a standalone kickstand for all iPads like what they make for the base iPad (as part of their keyboard folio or whatever).

The trifolds are HEAVY, and with these things every gram matters.
 

leebroath

macrumors 65816
Jul 26, 2010
1,357
951
Scotland
I WANT TO, but no. I must resist new-gen temptation.

Truth is, for me today even a base iPad would work.

But when I bought my M1 12.9" Pro it was the only game in town as far as that size, and I wanted the nicer screen, more RAM and storage (16GB 1TB), as it was meant to be a laptop replacement (which didn't quite work out - I bought an M2 MBA I LOVE).

That said, I'm STILL amazed at how light mine is for its size, so I better stay THE HELL out of the Apple Store...

I actually think that getting a refurb M1 iPad now is a great, MBA M1-level value.

PS: I wish Apple made a standalone kickstand for all iPads like what they make for the base iPad (as part of their keyboard folio or whatever).

The trifolds are HEAVY, and with these things every gram matters.

I use the below, the kick stand is fantastic and best I’ve ever used, and then you have a snap on keyboard.

Logitech Combo Touch iPad Pro 11-inch​

 

Edaxxx

macrumors newbie
Oct 9, 2022
6
9
No. Being left-handed, and using it mainly in portrait mode, the camera on the right long side is a no-go. And no, I am not going to hold it upside down. Might get a M2 iPad Pro however.
 
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the5rivers

macrumors newbie
May 20, 2021
23
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I am upgrading both the 11 inch (for the wife) and 12.9 inch to the new M4 versions, primarily for the OLED screen because the blooming was terrible on the 12.9. The decrease in weight is also something I am curious about because you can definitely feel the weight of the 12.9, so it being lighter is a positive for me. Being thinner is also a benefit but these devices were already slim so don't think it'll make that much of a difference (and I was already worried about durability). And with edu pricing and trades it made the decision much easier.
 

prospervic

macrumors 65816
Aug 2, 2007
1,154
1,433
NYC
My point was more that changing a keyboard isn’t a small deal. There are people still using their ancient Apple keyboard with their modern Mac’s since you can plug it in or go Bluetooth and keep that muscle memory.

The new keyboard form factor hasn’t changed. Nor has the mechanism. Apple should make the accessories last as long as possible for professionals.

But Apple is trying too hard to boost revenue by mandating rebuying all of the accessories on an upgrade.

That isn’t as painful on the iPhone where they make you buy a new $50 case if you’re a case person. But a $250 keyboard isn’t a “cheap” purchase. That’s an investment.

I say that sincerely as my HHKB was cheaper and it is an investment. Just like any other mechanical top end keyboard.

Especially since keyboards themselves aren’t changing all that much… They are the most stable part of the computer experience that has endured the longest.
Would you mind telling us just what the hell is an “HHKB“?
 
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Isengardtom

macrumors 65816
Feb 14, 2009
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Geekbench scores (full 10 core CPU’s)

metal : 53.793

single core 3715
multi 14611

Pretty impressive vs M3 (8 cores)

metal : 46.586

single core 3134
multi 12169
 

LogicalApex

macrumors 65816
Nov 13, 2015
1,459
2,309
PA, USA
Would you mind telling us just what the hell is an “HHKB“?
It is the Happy Hacker Keyboard. Hacker being the original term for hacker which is a computer programmer.


They are a keyboard used by computer programmers such as myself due to the optimized key layout. It was also inspired by the original Mac keyboard.

 
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azentropy

macrumors 601
Jul 19, 2002
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Surprise
Going back and forth, probably will eventually but I'll wait for a "deal".
Would have been a first second purchase except for the increased price (yes you get 256GB instead of 128GB but if you don't need that it doesn't matter) and the fact that my magic keyboard won't transfer.
 
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