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I am in Australia too. What RAM did you go for? I am on a 2017 i5 with 8 GB RAM and I usually have CPU capacity of 30-50% but lots of apps and tabs and docs plus open plus Sidecar and I can see all of the memory used and swap at 4GB+ with the fan going off! I could manage it better by closing stuff etc but if I am spending AUD3000 on a computer I don’t want to be fussed with that. So I think I can save the $300 on going to 10 cores but 32 GB RAM is $600 is Aus - it’s a lot just for peace of mind that I might not need. So I am getting the base model, test it to the limits for the first 14 days and send it back if it’s anywhere near memory limited for a 32 GB.
I’m going for 16GB because based on user reports, including from people who had/have 16 or 32GB in their Intel Macs, their experience with 8GB in the M1 MBA, Mini, and iMac have been very positive. I think 16GB is going to be absolutely fine, but if I wanted to upgrade, I’d rather upgrade storage over RAM, and RAM over CPU-GPU.

The base 14” is already faster than a Mac Pro. Honestly, that’s well beyond my needs now, and well into the foreseeable future. Computers, computing, and software-driven demands are a mature, predictable market. I know I won’t need faster for a looooong time. You can bring in 8K video, and it won’t matter to me for a decade, or at least until my NEXT MacBook.
 
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I’m going for 16GB because based on user reports, including from people who had/have 16 or 32GB in their Intel Macs, their experience with 8GB in the M1 MBA, Mini, and iMac have been very positive. I think 16GB is going to be absolutely fine, but if I wanted to upgrade, I’d rather upgrade storage over RAM, and RAM over CPU-GPU.

The base 14” is already faster than a Mac Pro. Honestly, that’s well beyond my needs now, and well into the foreseeable future. Computers, computing, and software-driven demands are a mature, predictable market. I know I won’t need faster for a looooong time. You can bring in 8K video, and it won’t matter to me for a decade, or at least until my NEXT MacBook.
Yes, that's what I have read - that RAM performance is not apples and apples. excuse the pun. Of course, the amount of data that you need to put into RAM doesn't change but there seems to be a big difference in how effectively the M1 series deals with load. I am going 512 Gb (so full base 14") which combined with iCloud 2TB has me with over GB free on my current 512 GB.
 
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I’m going for 16GB because based on user reports, including from people who had/have 16 or 32GB in their Intel Macs, their experience with 8GB in the M1 MBA, Mini, and iMac have been very positive. I think 16GB is going to be absolutely fine, but if I wanted to upgrade, I’d rather upgrade storage over RAM, and RAM over CPU-GPU.

The base 14” is already faster than a Mac Pro. Honestly, that’s well beyond my needs now, and well into the foreseeable future. Computers, computing, and software-driven demands are a mature, predictable market. I know I won’t need faster for a looooong time. You can bring in 8K video, and it won’t matter to me for a decade, or at least until my NEXT MacBook.
Yeah I'm still going for 16GB coming from a MBA Air with 8GB. Curious to see how they perform with the full M1 Pro Die on the 14 inch.

We got 15 days to try so it's more than enough to run a couple of days work + stress testing.
 
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Interesting. I never use Chrome - mainly Firefox from time to time Safari.

Tracking every mouse motion and click, referencing against every visual element on the page and character of text… in other words, tracking everything you see and do…takes a lot of CPU and memory.

I still use Chrome sometimes but Safari has come a long way and doesn’t bog down my laptop or phone.

If you are a heavy Chrome user then 16GB of RAM is a minimum.
There's a whole website dedicated to how bad Chrome is. I used to use it, but shifted to Safari when I got my M1 MBA. Seems responsive enough for me. I have Firefox installed as a backup and for testing.
 

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This has been a really useful thread so thanks OP for posting.

I'm currently running an i5 8GB early 2015 MBP 256GB and am thinking of going base 14" with 1tb, AND potentially 32GB RAM (this is TBD...).

I recently started using a lot of Rekordbox (DJ software), and downloading a tonne of music whilst streaming various YouTube tabs, SoundCloud, Spotify etc. which has caused significant drag on the overall performance - Rekordbox chokes up/ cuts out/ Spotify stutters. Worst is the MBP screen fully dies when really getting hammered and I have to reset PRAM to bring it back to life. I also have a plain old 23" 60hz HD monitor hooked up. However when I've done activity monitors my RAM actually holds up okay, max it got to was around 6.5/8 used but pressure did not even hit 50%. Highest my CPU usage hit around 78% (although I really tried to shift this by just yamming open multiple YouTube tabs to see what would happen and in reality I reckon majority of the time sits around 65%). In theory my usage is more multi-tasking lots of different programmes/ tabs which aren't processor-intensive (other than Rekordbox) therefore, my decision to stick with base 14" cores. Then there's added on standard usage of web browsing (Brave/ Firefox), word/ excel, Zoom/ Teams/ Cisco Webex (also in the legal profession).

I know a lot of people will say ah just get a M1 13" MBP it will more than enough suit your power needs but MagSafe and HDMI are back, which the lack of put me off all of the 2015 onwards MBPs - I've seen many a MBP fall victim to tripped charging wires and I use HDMI 99% of the time so these alone are justifiable to me to get 14". Also my MBP battery is ass.

This brings me to my conundrum of whether to stick with base 16GB or bump up to 32GB (from what I've read and my understanding cores won't make a noticeable difference to my use cases)... I've read a lot about 16GB being okay for most people's needs and I know the change from Intel to Apple chips will be a crazy difference for me. This is also a future investment of hopefully at least 7+ yrs (ideally 10) similar to my current one, and I think my current one's problem has been more RAM than CPU (although open to be proven wrong on this - by no means a tech expert). Particularly if I start to get heavier on the music side of things with production and editing I'd like to have the headroom to do so, and don't want future iterations of programmes that I currently use to become more intensive and slowly chip away at RAM/ general performance. Also considering getting a fatter widescreen monitor, and maybe into coding so another potential future use case to take care off, though this will hobby level.

The added cost of 32GB is not an issue for me if it means still having a fully performing MBP ≈10 years later. I am also not one to upgrade just for the sake of slightly faster technology, and I'd still be using my current one well into the future if it wasn't having performance issues.

Fire away (sorry for the long essay, trying to give as much context)

EDIT: I know to some the 'future-proofing' argument is BS, but I essentially 'future-proofed' my current MBP by upgrading the SSD which I am so glad I did as its now on its way to being full at 256GB... so future proofing argument still stands for me (only this time for RAM...)
 
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This has been a really useful thread so thanks OP for posting.

I'm currently running an i5 8GB early 2015 MBP 256GB and am thinking of going base 14" with 1tb, AND potentially 32GB RAM (this is TBD...).

I recently started using a lot of Rekordbox (DJ software), and downloading a tonne of music whilst streaming various YouTube tabs, SoundCloud, Spotify etc. which has caused significant drag on the overall performance - Rekordbox chokes up/ cuts out/ Spotify stutters. Worst is the MBP screen fully dies when really getting hammered and I have to reset PRAM to bring it back to life. I also have a plain old 23" 60hz HD monitor hooked up. However when I've done activity monitors my RAM actually holds up okay, max it got to was around 6.5/8 used but pressure did not even hit 50%. Highest my CPU usage hit around 78% (although I really tried to shift this by just yamming open multiple YouTube tabs to see what would happen and in reality I reckon majority of the time sits around 65%). In theory my usage is more multi-tasking lots of different programmes/ tabs which aren't processor-intensive (other than Rekordbox) therefore, my decision to stick with base 14" cores. Then there's added on standard usage of web browsing (Brave/ Firefox), word/ excel, Zoom/ Teams/ Cisco Webex (also in the legal profession).

I know a lot of people will say ah just get a M1 13" MBP it will more than enough suit your power needs but MagSafe and HDMI are back, which the lack of put me off all of the 2015 onwards MBPs - I've seen many a MBP fall victim to tripped charging wires and I use HDMI 99% of the time so these alone are justifiable to me to get 14". Also my MBP battery is ass.

This brings me to my conundrum of whether to stick with base 16GB or bump up to 32GB (from what I've read and my understanding cores won't make a noticeable difference to my use cases)... I've read a lot about 16GB being okay for most people's needs and I know the change from Intel to Apple chips will be a crazy difference for me. This is also a future investment of hopefully at least 7+ yrs (ideally 10) similar to my current one, and I think my current one's problem has been more RAM than CPU (although open to be proven wrong on this - by no means a tech expert). Particularly if I start to get heavier on the music side of things with production and editing I'd like to have the headroom to do so, and don't want future iterations of programmes that I currently use to become more intensive and slowly chip away at RAM/ general performance. Also considering getting a fatter widescreen monitor, and maybe into coding so another potential future use case to take care off, though this will hobby level.

The added cost of 32GB is not an issue for me if it means still having a fully performing MBP ≈10 years later. I am also not one to upgrade just for the sake of slightly faster technology, and I'd still be using my current one well into the future if it wasn't having performance issues.

Fire away (sorry for the long essay, trying to give as much context)

EDIT: I know to some the 'future-proofing' argument is BS, but I essentially 'future-proofed' my current MBP by upgrading the SSD which I am so glad I did as its now on its way to being full at 256GB... so future proofing argument still stands for me (only this time for RAM...)
CPU and GPU base configuration won’t be an issue for that type of workload, it’s just so good at this point. On benchmarks is even on par with a 2019 Mac Pro (even better in some areas). RAM is a different factor (which is a no brainer in why Apple charges $400 to upgrade to 32GB). As some have said, 16GB is fine, especially with how the new chips manage RAM. BUT, I’ve always say that if this is an investment for the long run (5-10 years), then 32GB will hold your machine for that timespan very nicely.
 

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What YouTuber was this? Curious how they came to that conclusion
It’s Max Tech, they go crazy on the analysis of these new chips. The video in question is a an SoC deep dive. He doesn’t necessarily compared 16GB M1 to 32GB Intel (that was just to throw a VERY oversimplification), but he goes on to mention how unified RAM works on the new chips with more channels than the Intel Macs. With benchmark numbers, he explains how more memory channels helps performance in the Mac lineup, the iMac with 2, iMac Pro with 4 and Mac Pro with 6. The M1 Pro has 16 channels and the M1 Max has 32.

 

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CPU and GPU base configuration won’t be an issue for that type of workload, it’s just so good at this point. On benchmarks is even on par with a 2019 Mac Pro (even better
This has been a really useful thread so thanks OP for posting.

I'm currently running an i5 8GB early 2015 MBP 256GB and am thinking of going base 14" with 1tb, AND potentially 32GB RAM (this is TBD...).

I recently started using a lot of Rekordbox (DJ software), and downloading a tonne of music whilst streaming various YouTube tabs, SoundCloud, Spotify etc. which has caused significant drag on the overall performance - Rekordbox chokes up/ cuts out/ Spotify stutters. Worst is the MBP screen fully dies when really getting hammered and I have to reset PRAM to bring it back to life. I also have a plain old 23" 60hz HD monitor hooked up. However when I've done activity monitors my RAM actually holds up okay, max it got to was around 6.5/8 used but pressure did not even hit 50%. Highest my CPU usage hit around 78% (although I really tried to shift this by just yamming open multiple YouTube tabs to see what would happen and in reality I reckon majority of the time sits around 65%). In theory my usage is more multi-tasking lots of different programmes/ tabs which aren't processor-intensive (other than Rekordbox) therefore, my decision to stick with base 14" cores. Then there's added on standard usage of web browsing (Brave/ Firefox), word/ excel, Zoom/ Teams/ Cisco Webex (also in the legal profession).

I know a lot of people will say ah just get a M1 13" MBP it will more than enough suit your power needs but MagSafe and HDMI are back, which the lack of put me off all of the 2015 onwards MBPs - I've seen many a MBP fall victim to tripped charging wires and I use HDMI 99% of the time so these alone are justifiable to me to get 14". Also my MBP battery is ass.

This brings me to my conundrum of whether to stick with base 16GB or bump up to 32GB (from what I've read and my understanding cores won't make a noticeable difference to my use cases)... I've read a lot about 16GB being okay for most people's needs and I know the change from Intel to Apple chips will be a crazy difference for me. This is also a future investment of hopefully at least 7+ yrs (ideally 10) similar to my current one, and I think my current one's problem has been more RAM than CPU (although open to be proven wrong on this - by no means a tech expert). Particularly if I start to get heavier on the music side of things with production and editing I'd like to have the headroom to do so, and don't want future iterations of programmes that I currently use to become more intensive and slowly chip away at RAM/ general performance. Also considering getting a fatter widescreen monitor, and maybe into coding so another potential future use case to take care off, though this will hobby level.

The added cost of 32GB is not an issue for me if it means still having a fully performing MBP ≈10 years later. I am also not one to upgrade just for the sake of slightly faster technology, and I'd still be using my current one well into the future if it wasn't having performance issues.

Fire away (sorry for the long essay, trying to give as much context)

EDIT: I know to some the 'future-proofing' argument is BS, but I essentially 'future-proofed' my current MBP by upgrading the SSD which I am so glad I did as its now on its way to being full at 256GB... so future proofing argument still stands for me (only this time for RAM...)
I am a lot like you - Traktor for DJing, video conf, collaboration apps and heaps of docs. And in the legal profession.
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This has been a really useful thread so thanks OP for posting.

I'm currently running an i5 8GB early 2015 MBP 256GB and am thinking of going base 14" with 1tb, AND potentially 32GB RAM (this is TBD...).

I recently started using a lot of Rekordbox (DJ software), and downloading a tonne of music whilst streaming various YouTube tabs, SoundCloud, Spotify etc. which has caused significant drag on the overall performance - Rekordbox chokes up/ cuts out/ Spotify stutters. Worst is the MBP screen fully dies when really getting hammered and I have to reset PRAM to bring it back to life. I also have a plain old 23" 60hz HD monitor hooked up. However when I've done activity monitors my RAM actually holds up okay, max it got to was around 6.5/8 used but pressure did not even hit 50%. Highest my CPU usage hit around 78% (although I really tried to shift this by just yamming open multiple YouTube tabs to see what would happen and in reality I reckon majority of the time sits around 65%). In theory my usage is more multi-tasking lots of different programmes/ tabs which aren't processor-intensive (other than Rekordbox) therefore, my decision to stick with base 14" cores. Then there's added on standard usage of web browsing (Brave/ Firefox), word/ excel, Zoom/ Teams/ Cisco Webex (also in the legal profession).

I know a lot of people will say ah just get a M1 13" MBP it will more than enough suit your power needs but MagSafe and HDMI are back, which the lack of put me off all of the 2015 onwards MBPs - I've seen many a MBP fall victim to tripped charging wires and I use HDMI 99% of the time so these alone are justifiable to me to get 14". Also my MBP battery is ass.

This brings me to my conundrum of whether to stick with base 16GB or bump up to 32GB (from what I've read and my understanding cores won't make a noticeable difference to my use cases)... I've read a lot about 16GB being okay for most people's needs and I know the change from Intel to Apple chips will be a crazy difference for me. This is also a future investment of hopefully at least 7+ yrs (ideally 10) similar to my current one, and I think my current one's problem has been more RAM than CPU (although open to be proven wrong on this - by no means a tech expert). Particularly if I start to get heavier on the music side of things with production and editing I'd like to have the headroom to do so, and don't want future iterations of programmes that I currently use to become more intensive and slowly chip away at RAM/ general performance. Also considering getting a fatter widescreen monitor, and maybe into coding so another potential future use case to take care off, though this will hobby level.

The added cost of 32GB is not an issue for me if it means still having a fully performing MBP ≈10 years later. I am also not one to upgrade just for the sake of slightly faster technology, and I'd still be using my current one well into the future if it wasn't having performance issues.

Fire away (sorry for the long essay, trying to give as much context)

EDIT: I know to some the 'future-proofing' argument is BS, but I essentially 'future-proofed' my current MBP by upgrading the SSD which I am so glad I did as its now on its way to being full at 256GB... so future proofing argument still stands for me (only this time for RAM...
This has been a really useful thread so thanks OP for posting.

I'm currently running an i5 8GB early 2015 MBP 256GB and am thinking of going base 14" with 1tb, AND potentially 32GB RAM (this is TBD...).

I recently started using a lot of Rekordbox (DJ software), and downloading a tonne of music whilst streaming various YouTube tabs, SoundCloud, Spotify etc. which has caused significant drag on the overall performance - Rekordbox chokes up/ cuts out/ Spotify stutters. Worst is the MBP screen fully dies when really getting hammered and I have to reset PRAM to bring it back to life. I also have a plain old 23" 60hz HD monitor hooked up. However when I've done activity monitors my RAM actually holds up okay, max it got to was around 6.5/8 used but pressure did not even hit 50%. Highest my CPU usage hit around 78% (although I really tried to shift this by just yamming open multiple YouTube tabs to see what would happen and in reality I reckon majority of the time sits around 65%). In theory my usage is more multi-tasking lots of different programmes/ tabs which aren't processor-intensive (other than Rekordbox) therefore, my decision to stick with base 14" cores. Then there's added on standard usage of web browsing (Brave/ Firefox), word/ excel, Zoom/ Teams/ Cisco Webex (also in the legal profession).

I know a lot of people will say ah just get a M1 13" MBP it will more than enough suit your power needs but MagSafe and HDMI are back, which the lack of put me off all of the 2015 onwards MBPs - I've seen many a MBP fall victim to tripped charging wires and I use HDMI 99% of the time so these alone are justifiable to me to get 14". Also my MBP battery is ass.

This brings me to my conundrum of whether to stick with base 16GB or bump up to 32GB (from what I've read and my understanding cores won't make a noticeable difference to my use cases)... I've read a lot about 16GB being okay for most people's needs and I know the change from Intel to Apple chips will be a crazy difference for me. This is also a future investment of hopefully at least 7+ yrs (ideally 10) similar to my current one, and I think my current one's problem has been more RAM than CPU (although open to be proven wrong on this - by no means a tech expert). Particularly if I start to get heavier on the music side of things with production and editing I'd like to have the headroom to do so, and don't want future iterations of programmes that I currently use to become more intensive and slowly chip away at RAM/ general performance. Also considering getting a fatter widescreen monitor, and maybe into coding so another potential future use case to take care off, though this will hobby level.

The added cost of 32GB is not an issue for me if it means still having a fully performing MBP ≈10 years later. I am also not one to upgrade just for the sake of slightly faster technology, and I'd still be using my current one well into the future if it wasn't having performance issues.

Fire away (sorry for the long essay, trying to give as much context)

EDIT: I know to some the 'future-proofing' argument is BS, but I essentially 'future-proofed' my current MBP by upgrading the SSD which I am so glad I did as its now on its way to being full at 256GB... so future proofing argument still stands for me (only this time for RAM...)
I'm very similar to you - use Traktor (Rekordbox - pffft ?) - and also work in the legal profession so mega multitasking open. You are right to call out RAM. My 8GB gets choked up and with swap added can get to low teens memory usage, already close to 16. Going to 32 GB so never have to think about it or manage it but the base M1 Pro processing is 5x my current one, should be just fine!
 
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This is also a future investment of hopefully at least 7+ yrs (ideally 10) similar to my current one, and I think my current one's problem has been more RAM than CPU (although open to be proven wrong on this - by no means a tech expert). Particularly if I start to get heavier on the music side of things with production and editing I'd like to have the headroom to do so, and don't want future iterations of programmes that I currently use to become more intensive and slowly chip away at RAM/ general performance.
Despite all the things I said before about “futureproofing”, getting 32GB off RAM isn’ta bad idea for someone looking to keep their machine 7-10 years. ??‍♂️

The people I was replying to earlier are looking to make sure their machine is still adequate in 3-4 years for spreadsheets and photo and basic video editing, and I’m like, “Huh????” ??‍♂️??‍♂️

RAM is probably the main reason you would long for an upgrade in 7 years and look to upgrade. May as well extend the life of your machine. ???
 
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Despite all the things I said before about “futureproofing”, getting 32GB off RAM isn’ta bad idea for someone looking to keep their machine 7-10 years. ??‍♂️

The people I was replying to earlier are looking to make sure their machine is still adequate in 3-4 years for spreadsheets and photo and basic video editing, and I’m like, “Huh????” ??‍♂️??‍♂️

RAM is probably the main reason you would long for an upgrade in 7 years and look to upgrade. May as well extend the life of your machine. ???

There's a good argument against this. If you're someone who has disposable income, and plan to maintain it, futureproofing doesn't really make sense unless you're lazy or you expect mac to go through another 2016-2019, imo. Every 5 years max is when you start to see enough little "quality of life" enhancements on new things, which is faster than the rate at which applications start to use more RAM than you have.

Imagine "futureproofing" your car. Do you want to be driving a 2011 car in 2021?

If you want to save money in the future, futureproof maybe. If you are someone buying a MBP now, and you expect to have commparable income in the future, I don't see why futureproofing makes sense, besides maybe resale value, which is speculative.
 

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I mostly use Dutch websites like Kluwer Navigator, or Rechtsorde. I honestly never monitored my cpu usage, which I should have lol.
I am in the same boat as you, I am also a Dutch law student and I also use these websites! I also do a lot of multitasking with huge PDFs, many Safari tabs etc.

I have a base model MacBook Air (8GB RAM) and it’s absolutely fine. I only notice some slowdown very occasionally, for example if I have several YouTube videos playing silently in the background and I forgot about them.

If you do want to spend 230 euros extra on your notebook, upgrading the storage to 512GB or even to 1TB is probably more useful than going to 16GB RAM. Going for 16GB RAM is also a defensible choice though, if money is not too tight.

I don’t think going for a 13" MacBook Pro is really useful, you’ll hardly ever use the fan. And the 14" and 16" models are just too expensive for our usage. That being said, if the extra ports, the bigger screen and the 120 Hz refresh rate are important to you, then by all means go for it! Personally, I don’t really care about those things since I use it in clamshell mode 95% of the time anyway.
 
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Despite all the things I said before about “futureproofing”, getting 32GB off RAM isn’ta bad idea for someone looking to keep their machine 7-10 years. ??‍♂️

The people I was replying to earlier are looking to make sure their machine is still adequate in 3-4 years for spreadsheets and photo and basic video editing, and I’m like, “Huh????” ??‍♂️??‍♂️

RAM is probably the main reason you would long for an upgrade in 7 years and look to upgrade. May as well extend the life of your machine. ???

There's a good argument against this. If you're someone who has disposable income, and plan to maintain it, futureproofing doesn't really make sense unless you're lazy or you expect mac to go through another 2016-2019, imo. Every 5 years max is when you start to see enough little "quality of life" enhancements on new things, which is faster than the rate at which applications start to use more RAM than you have.

Imagine "futureproofing" your car. Do you want to be driving a 2011 car in 2021?

If you want to save money in the future, futureproof maybe. If you are someone buying a MBP now, and you expect to have commparable income in the future, I don't see why futureproofing makes sense, besides maybe resale value, which is speculative.
There is a point here which I find important.

There should be a balance when future-proofing a computer. Buying a computer to last for 3-5 years sounds reasonable, and, if it lasts more than that, the better. I would not buy a laptop thinking in keeping it for 10 years.

If 8 GB RAM falls short now or is too close to the limit, then it makes sense to opt for 16 GB when buying a new laptop, but I would consider 32 GB only if it were too cheap. A 1 TB SSD is worth considering if I already have 300 GB of storage occupied, but 2 TB would only be worth it if cheap enough. In 3-5 years from now, memory and storage will be far cheaper, and I would be able to buy another computer paying much less for these features.

In 3-5 years from now, my current computer may have some signs of wear, it may have some dents, the battery may need replacement, and warranty will be long gone. Some components will get old no matter what, and Apple will support a laptop only for so long.

A new computer, on the other hand, apart from being brand new, will feature new technology unavailable at the current time. In 3-5 years from now, we may have faster processors, memory and storage, OLED screens in many laptops, different ports, more advanced connectivity, better batteries, and who knows what else.

Just look at how laptops have evolved in the last 10 years. A MacBook Pro from 2011 had an Intel Sandy Bridge processor (2nd generation) with no Retina display and Bluetooth 2.1. Would it be worth keeping it until 2021?

I think it is better to pay $2500 now and another $2500 in 5 years for a good laptop than pay $4000 for a laptop expecting it to be replaced in 8 years.
 

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There's a good argument against this. If you're someone who has disposable income, and plan to maintain it, futureproofing doesn't really make sense unless you're lazy or you expect mac to go through another 2016-2019, imo. Every 5 years max is when you start to see enough little "quality of life" enhancements on new things, which is faster than the rate at which applications start to use more RAM than you have.

Imagine "futureproofing" your car. Do you want to be driving a 2011 car in 2021?

If you want to save money in the future, futureproof maybe. If you are someone buying a MBP now, and you expect to have commparable income in the future, I don't see why futureproofing makes sense, besides maybe resale value, which is speculative.
You’re absolutely right. The problem is that if you “future proof” by adding RAM, you’re still just improving one specific aspect of your computer. In five years, when every new MacBook comes with an M6 chip, a 4K webcam, 5G connectivity, Wifi 7, Bluetooth 6, USB5, a touchscreen, etc,… you’ll just have an M1 MacBook Air which happens to have a bit more RAM.

Now, for sure, futureproofing CAN be worth it sometimes. If you bought a new MacBook Air in 2015, you could upgrade from 4GB to 8GB for just $100. If you got an iPhone 12 last year, you could upgrade from 64GB to 128GB storage for $50. In those cases, future proofing is worth it. But in most cases, Apple just asks too much money for this kind of upgrades to make it worthwhile if you can’t benefit from it starting from day one.
 

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You’re absolutely right. The problem is that if you “future proof” by adding RAM, you’re still just improving one specific aspect of your computer. In five years, when every new MacBook comes with an M6 chip, a 4K webcam, 5G connectivity, Wifi 7, Bluetooth 6, USB5, a touchscreen, etc,… you’ll just have an M1 MacBook Air which happens to have a bit more RAM.

Now, for sure, futureproofing CAN be worth it sometimes. If you bought a new MacBook Air in 2015, you could upgrade from 4GB to 8GB for just $100. If you got an iPhone 12 last year, you could upgrade from 64GB to 128GB storage for $50. In those cases, future proofing is worth it. But in most cases, Apple just asks too much money for this kind of upgrades to make it worthwhile if you can’t benefit from it starting from day one.
Yes, I think this is correct.

I suppose these would be three examples:

Not future-proofing: 14.2-inch MacBook Pro with 8-core CPU, 14-core GPU, 16 GB RAM, 512 GB SSD, for $1999.

Reasonably future-proofing: 14.2-inch MacBook Pro with 10-core CPU, 16-core GPU, 16 GB RAM, 1 TB SSD, for $2,499, or adding 32 GB and/or 2 TB for a maximum price of $3299.

Over future-proofing: 14.2-inch MacBook Pro with 10-core CPU, 32-core GPU, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB SSD, for $4699, and anything above it.

Of course, some people may need the top configuration, but hardly. The base configuration may be enough for many, but with 512 GB many will run out of storage shortly. But 64 GB RAM and 8 TB SSD would be overkill for most, and not required for many years; until then, prices will go way down.
 

GoodGuy313

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There's a good argument against this. If you're someone who has disposable income, and plan to maintain it, futureproofing doesn't really make sense unless you're lazy or you expect mac to go through another 2016-2019, imo. Every 5 years max is when you start to see enough little "quality of life" enhancements on new things, which is faster than the rate at which applications start to use more RAM than you have.

Imagine "futureproofing" your car. Do you want to be driving a 2011 car in 2021?

If you want to save money in the future, futureproof maybe. If you are someone buying a MBP now, and you expect to have commparable income in the future, I don't see why futureproofing makes sense, besides maybe resale value, which is speculative.
Now that you put it like that, you’re right. Also, the timespan of a laptop is different than a desktop, so 5 years is typically on the ‘stretch’ side. I know some friends who still use a 2011/2012 Mac Pro with good overall performance, which leaves me impressed. They are, though, using outdated software but that makes sense since it is logical to use the latest software that WORKS for that hardware. Which also brings me to a point, not the case on this thread, that people upgrade to the latest and greatest without having a sense of maintenance of their devices. A teacher colleague of mine needed a new computer last year, I recommended a base 13” Intel (this was before the M1 chips) or the next tier, he instead opted for the 16” because he wanted the greatest to last for a long time. Fast forward to a year later, since he hasn’t updated the software plus just keeps filling the computer, he has noticed that it’s getting slow. Same story happened to another colleague which upgraded to a max spec’d 13” last year. Both of these users only do browsing and edit Word documents. Maintenance and organizing is important.
 

BeefCake 15

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I have a feeling it's not going to make a huge difference.

Video encoding will often depend on the GPU more than the CPU, and most software that is CPU dependent kinda struggles to use that many cores.

You would probably get more out of upgrading 10% sooner than spending 10% more now and keeping it 10% longer :D
I really commend you for this point! No need to read further, this makes a lot of sense.
 
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Beau10

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Imagine "futureproofing" your car. Do you want to be driving a 2011 car in 2021?

I have a 2012 320i and have no interest in changing to something else unless it's electric. The onboard tech isn't so far behind to be interesting to me, it gets from point a -> b with relatively similar gas mileage to its modern variant. The car I owned before was a 90's M3 I had for 12 years, only moved on as too many things were failing w/ 160k miles on the odometer.

A computer though, seems to make sense upgrading every couple revs because the improvement is actually significant.

To underscore this notion, I'd be fine driving a really cool 1st gen M3 from the 80s. Those are classics and maximally cool and there's arguably something to be *gained* from owning one of those vs. my 320.

A computer from the 80s... a laptop no less? Completely useless.
 

lobotomy

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There's a good argument against this. If you're someone who has disposable income, and plan to maintain it, futureproofing doesn't really make sense unless you're lazy or you expect mac to go through another 2016-2019, imo. Every 5 years max is when you start to see enough little "quality of life" enhancements on new things, which is faster than the rate at which applications start to use more RAM than you have.

Imagine "futureproofing" your car. Do you want to be driving a 2011 car in 2021?

If you want to save money in the future, futureproof maybe. If you are someone buying a MBP now, and you expect to have commparable income in the future, I don't see why futureproofing makes sense, besides maybe resale value, which is speculative.
Bro I drive a 2006 car haha... and I'm still rocking the iPhone 6S. I have the frugalness of a modern day Warren Buffett (and also infinitesimally less wealthy).

But I do get your point and it does make a lot of sense for a person who is really into the latest thing like a lot of Apple people are. I think I see it more from a will I 'have' to upgrade when they bring out something like FaceID or slim down the chassis, or wham up the processor so its x10 faster by the time I upgrade. Not really. Only reason I'm upgrading this is because it can't do what I want it to do to the same standard because it's constricted by a certain feature (RAM). If I hadn't have upgraded the SSD on my first MBP then that'd be a double whammy of constrictions. And to be honest spending money isn't what I'm worried about its spending it unnecessarily.

Now that you put it like that, you’re right. Also, the timespan of a laptop is different than a desktop, so 5 years is typically on the ‘stretch’ side. I know some friends who still use a 2011/2012 Mac Pro with good overall performance, which leaves me impressed. They are, though, using outdated software but that makes sense since it is logical to use the latest software that WORKS for that hardware. Which also brings me to a point, not the case on this thread, that people upgrade to the latest and greatest without having a sense of maintenance of their devices. A teacher colleague of mine needed a new computer last year, I recommended a base 13” Intel (this was before the M1 chips) or the next tier, he instead opted for the 16” because he wanted the greatest to last for a long time. Fast forward to a year later, since he hasn’t updated the software plus just keeps filling the computer, he has noticed that it’s getting slow. Same story happened to another colleague which upgraded to a max spec’d 13” last year. Both of these users only do browsing and edit Word documents. Maintenance and organizing is important.
Totally agree with the notion that people want the latest and greatest without realising that if they maintain what they have to a decent standard you can get a solid amount out of it. But then again Apple isn't Apple by convincing its customers to only replace its items every 5-10 years and F it if you want to upgrade to the latest go for it.

You’re absolutely right. The problem is that if you “future proof” by adding RAM, you’re still just improving one specific aspect of your computer. In five years, when every new MacBook comes with an M6 chip, a 4K webcam, 5G connectivity, Wifi 7, Bluetooth 6, USB5, a touchscreen, etc,… you’ll just have an M1 MacBook Air which happens to have a bit more RAM.
Fair.
 
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