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So in real-world tests, the slower sequential transfer really is making a huge difference because that's what happens when you swap memory between SSD and RAM.
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M2 MacBook Pro SSD read/write speeds compared to M1
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So in real-world tests, the slower sequential transfer really is making a huge difference because that's what happens when you swap memory between SSD and RAM.
216 seconds vs 252 seconds, so roughly 20% slower. That's significant, sure. I don't know that I would call it huge, and it certainly isn't anywhere near 2x which is what the post I responded to was suggesting.
I guess that if you are going to buy a minimum configuration and run oversize loads on it, the slower SSD will make a difference. That's not a configuration choice that I would generally recommend.
Unfortunately for Apple, I noticed and am not getting my wife an M2 MBA, and instead will get her a base M1 MBA for this reason lol. Save several hundred bucks, AND have faster performance!
Something tells me that Apple will add 2 x 128 GB in the M2 MBA base model after hearing everybody complain about the M2 MBP base model.
For real. Pulling stunts like this really makes me skeptical of any claim they make now. I was gonna buy their M2 Air no questions asked, but now I am DEFINITELY NOT buying it until I see a review. What a terrible and underhanded thing to do to consumers, really makes you question the integrity of their products across all their lineups. Like, now we know there is some major flaw in each product category they sell so they can squeeze money out of us. Trust their products much less. Ugh, such a bad taste in my mouth just thinking about it.
Disappointingly virtually no one outside the comparatively-tiny bubble who visit sites like this or watch Max Tech or Luke Miani videos will know that the 256GB versions of the M2 models are effectively gimped compared to their predecessors. There's no efficient method of out-shouting Apple's marketing team. Apple will be delighted by this.
not very likely, unless it was already planned several months in advance.
Now it would be way too late and production has long started.
Maybe in later revisions / production runs, but i don't see any great incentive for them to do so afterwards as it will help them even more to sell the more expensive options of their products
If a $200 upgrade to 512 GB keeps you from getting your wife a multi-year present, I’m wondering what you think about flower bouquets.
Apple is likely putting the same storage configuration in current M1 MBA production.
That would suck as I’m now thinking about getting a super cheap base M1 MBA from resellers (way cheaper than from Apple directly).
so liking the touchbar is related to one's mental health now? 😆
honestly, I see WAAAY more anti-touchbar vitriole on these forums than I do people speaking up to defend the touchbar (even though many people actually like it). in fact, whenever someone has the audacity to mention that they like the touchbar here, their statement is almost always defensive by default & is usually prefaced with something along the lines of "I know this is an unpopular opinion, but I like the touchbar..."
the fact that so many forum posters here keep saying they don't understand why or believe the MBP 13" should even exist anymore speaks volumes about the disconnect between their opinions and the reality that the MBP13 is still incredibly popular (2nd best selling laptop, by Apple's own statement - even with the crazy touchbar!).
the cool thing about having options is that you don't have to like all of them, and you're free to buy or ignore whatever you want. if a product is truly universally unpopular, Apple will stop making & selling it since they're a business and not a charity. since they bothered to update the MBP13 to M2, it's obviously not as unpopular as the forum posts here might lead one to believe. 🙂
My goodness. Such angst.
As it happens, the fact that you can run a workload that exceeds available RAM with any sort of performance at all is a gift, as far as I'm concerned. It hasn't been that way since paging became reasonably common, decades ago; much of the research in the first couple decades of virtual memory basically boiled down to "how can we make things suck a little bit less when you run short of memory." Even today, with fast SSD, CPU's that are fast enough to do swap compression effectively, and storage that's many times faster than hard drives of yore, running out of physical memory is a recipe for performance disaster on most hardware and most operating systems. I would strongly advise that if you regularly run workloads that need X GB of memory, you should buy a machine with at least X GB of physical RAM. (Or, up the storage a notch so that you're running the faster SSD.)
I don't fault Apple for not telling people that if you abuse the base configuration with workloads it's not designed for, things might go 25% slower than before.
Which is why I won't be buying any configs from them, and I'll be purchasing already-produced 2020 models from Amazon!
Wow, okay. We're talking SSD speeds here. I'm paying $1.X k+ for a newer model machine of the same lineup that has half the file transfer speeds of an older generation machine that is also cheaper. You can tell me how me and my wife will be using our Apple products wrong all day, but definitely isn't going to convince me to give Apple more money for a worse product, lol. You do you, my friend 👍
I love how every reviewer is saying the base 256GB read speeds are an abomination. No... That would be buying a recent years iMac with a spinner drive 🤣
Honestly my disdain for the touchbar comes from bought one of the infernal things and had to live with it for a year. it is just the WORST feature ever on a laptop. It makes it almost impossible to use anything which requires accuracy where the keys used to be.
On some days I literally wanted to chisel the steaming pile out of the keyboard with my bare finger nails and dab at it with my bloody stumps and pretend there were actually keys there. Then maniacally bash my head on it until I was unconscious.
That's how much I loved it.
So yes, the touchbar is related to mental health
I still use a secondary Windows machine with a Cruical 2TB SATA SSD in it. I think the max I can get out of it is around 500 Mbps read and write. And it feels very snappy. I doubt any average user will notice a difference between 1400 and 2800; speed wise, even the 256 SSD option is enough for average computing, especially when paired with an M2.
However, if you are a "Pro User" and you are buying the MBP 13" and with only 256GB SSD, then you are either not a true Pro user or you should be looking at the MBP 14".
P.S. The less people buy the 256GB option, the quicker it dies and Apple moves up to 512GB base storage.
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In typical Apple fashion they will revert to 2 nands, call it a spec bump model, and and market it as having a 50% faster SSD, they will even have one of those cool Apple X/Y charts that are meaningless..
Honestly my disdain for the touchbar comes from bought one of the infernal things and had to live with it for a year. it is just the WORST feature ever on a laptop. It makes it almost impossible to use anything which requires accuracy where the keys used to be.
On some days I literally wanted to chisel the steaming pile out of the keyboard with my bare finger nails and dab at it with my bloody stumps and pretend there were actually keys there. Then maniacally bash my head on it until I was unconscious.
That's how much I loved it.
So yes, the touchbar is related to mental health
haha! well since you explain it that way i can see why you'd be concerned for your mental health... 😜
outta curiosity, which use cases requiring accuracy with the touchbar frustrated you so much? was it screen brightness & sound volume? cuz the touchbar can be modified with BTT to multi-finger swipe ANYWHERE on the touchbar to control those (so zero accuracy needed)...
Well I do a lot of text editing with vim remotely and you have to hit the escape key a lot. Which is difficult when it’s not tactile.
Still, it’s slower.
What will those who have been saying to buy the 512 version be saying now? It’s disappointing to see that Apple has taken a leaf out of MS‘s book.
ok, that's a very legitimate point which I agree with 100% (was an avid vi/vim user myself) - however, that means you had one of the older touchbar models before they added a physical escape key back to the keyboard. kinda dumb they ever thought a virtual ESC key would be a good idea, but at least they corrected it later on... 😮