M5 after Intel disapointments

[Allen_Wentz]

To be fair, people have the expectation that older software would just work because that's how apple described it when launching the apple silicon chips and how reviewers lauded rosette: often the intel versions used to run faster on the M1 than on the Intel Mac. However, "older version" here means a version available at the time apple silicon launched. The OP here seems to think that holds for versions that were new during the time of the PPC transition.

Between apple and adobe I hate subscriptions too. But at least with adobe with $20 a month you get your values worth. All products, cloud storage and AI...

It lightens the blow.

The problem with Adobe's forced subscription-only CC model was not price; I had $thousands in owning the full Adobe Design Collection, no complaints. I left on principle because Adobe functionally kidnapped your IP if a subscription lapsed. Today other apps can get into Adobe layers.

 

[salamanderjuice]

I want you to do this and show me evidence. Having owned all the various versions of Windows between 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, and now 11, I can tell you that this most likely would not work and definitely it would not work well.

To add on to this, I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance) on my AMD Ryzen 5600x with 32GB RAM and an RTX5060Ti and nothing. It just uses too many frameworks that haven't been updated.

This is why when you see people still needing windows 95 for some custom software, they are still using it with windows 95...

Games are a lot more complicated. GUI apps are much more forgiving, the biggest hurdle with older non-game stuff is if they have a 32-bit installer or not. If they do then they can often work with no trouble. Photoshop 5.5 for example from 1999 works just fine even on Windows 11 on ARM. Literally just tested it for giggles. Could even use the pen, no pressure sensitivity though.

With tools like winevdm you can even get through 16 bit installers or run 16 bit apps.

 

[DIMEZ]

my how far we've come. I dont ever want to go back to that.

 

[avkills]

The problem with Adobe's forced subscription-only CC model was not price; I had $thousands in owning the full Adobe Design Collection, no complaints. I left on principle because Adobe functionally kidnapped your IP if a subscription lapsed. Today other apps can get into Adobe layers.

But the upside is that Adobe has the opportunity to fix bugs a lot faster; and just push an update. Not saying they do, but it seems like maybe things are updated or fixed faster than when it was package pricing only. 🤷‍♂️

 

[code-m]

"the same spec Mac" doesn't exist. Yeah, some numbers may sound similar, but how do you get a $700 HP with the same cpu power and battery life as even the cheapest available Mac?

Display size, RAM, Storage, touchscreen as example. Granted CPU is not 1:1 but most buyers are unable to tell the difference it’s all foreign to them.

 

[code-m]

This hasn't been true in years. Often times macOS is cheaper then Windows pound for pound, and performance wise its definitely the big winner.

Budget consumers are unable to compare CPU speed even on demo machines. One can compare RAM, Storage, I/O, display size etc in comparison to value per dollar. Unfortunately it takes a leap of faith or frustration to make the jump to another platform where familiarity is left in the past. Many buyers won’t venture into a learning curve that comes with a higher price point even though longevity and what you say maybe valid.

 

[Petite messe solennelle]

... and we still don't know which version of Photoshop and which plugins the OP wanted to use on his M5.

 

[Ambassador_Kosh]

... and we still don't know which version of Photoshop and which plugins the OP wanted to use on his M5.

Doubt we will ever know. From reading their post and comments, looks like they just want to complain.

 

[throAU]

After two Intel MacBooks and 10 years of flawless use—one after the other—I bought an M5 14" from Costco, and what a disappointment. I would honestly rather stay on my old MacBook for another five years.

Nothing—literally nothing—of the software I need is installing or running on it. I need Photoshop, I need its plugins, I need Movavi for video editing, etc.

Should I return it and get a Windows machine? What’s the point of a MacBook Pro if the applications you paid for won’t run on a brand new Mac? Why can’t they maintain backward compatibility?

Maybe upgrade your software at least once a decade? Photoshop and its plugins were updated for current Macs about half a decade ago.

 

[throAU]

win 95 is first 32bit, you could still run apps from that era fine in latest win 11, so? that is 30 years later my friend!

* SOME things still work.

I have a huge library of games from the Windows 95/98 era that stopped working with even Windows 2000/XP.

 

[Jonnod III]

Display size, RAM, Storage, touchscreen as example. Granted CPU is not 1:1 but most buyers are unable to tell the difference it’s all foreign to them.

Misunderstanding markets is a classic when dissing Macs.

If everyone chose products like you suggest then there would only be one marque of motor vehicle, one chain of food stores, etc.

 

[n-evo]

Looks like this thread has been abandoned by the OP and he wasn’t looking for solutions to begin with. 🤷‍♂️

 

[hinchesk]

this thread is hilarious.

I’m still not sure if OP is messing with us or someone having an actual issue. Well done either way lol.

UPDATE: after reading a few more posts I’m sure they’re trolling. Love it and how may posters are reacting rather than thinking critically. The more things change…

 

[hinchesk]

It need money for all I use to run fine on Intel macbook pro, why? Rossetta is last chance, if not what I need I am going Costco.

Good plan. They’ll get to the bottom of this.

With Costco, it’s all computer.

 

[hinchesk]

Switching to windows won’t prevent you from having to buy another version of photoshop (subscription now). You could try out affinity, I know it’s not the same thing, but depending on what you’re trying to do it might be good enough for what you need, and it’s free

You make perfect sense but, like my 10 year old child, the OP doesn’t want solutions, just here to complain and have someone else fix their problem OR more likely trolling.

Someone unwilling to try a free alternative to Adobe’s subscription model is likely beyond the help available here… so that’s probably not what they’re here for Thanks for the laughs!

 

[tonmischa]

EDIT: Comment withdrawn.

 

[bzgnyc2]

But the upside is that Adobe has the opportunity to fix bugs a lot faster; and just push an update. Not saying they do, but it seems like maybe things are updated or fixed faster than when it was package pricing only. 🤷‍♂️

On the flip side, my observation is that developers (in general not just Adobe) worked harder to release better .0 versions when they were packaged. Now it just seems like an ongoing stream of fixing things that shouldn't have shipped while breaking new things, followed by releasing fixes for those things...

Regardless like the previous poster I am uninterested in having to pay rent to retain access to my property.

 

[throAU]

I want you to do this and show me evidence. Having owned all the various versions of Windows between 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, and now 11, I can tell you that this most likely would not work and definitely it would not work well.

To add on to this, I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance) on my AMD Ryzen 5600x with 32GB RAM and an RTX5060Ti and nothing. It just uses too many frameworks that haven't been updated.

This is why when you see people still needing windows 95 for some custom software, they are still using it with windows 95...

I have had better compatibility with old games using WINE under LINUX than modern windows.

Presumably crossover (based on WINE) will be similar.

 

[chmania]

At least Bill Gates Windows 11 is running anything you onw since Windows 95, crashing, slow but it will run.

Well, it's not Bill Gates Windows 11, but Satya Nadella's, and it never crashes.

 

[Wando64]

At least Bill Gates Windows 11 is running anything you onw since Windows 95, crashing, slow but it will run.

Go for it!

 

[Contact_Feanor]

Display size, RAM, Storage, touchscreen as example. Granted CPU is not 1:1 but most buyers are unable to tell the difference it’s all foreign to them.

display size is such a meaningless metric, color accuracy, refresh rate, display brightness etc. all make two displays completely different. Ram speed matters, if the OP wants to do video editing (which he "needs") unified RAM is good because you don't need duplicates in VRAM.
if you're unable to tell the difference between a high-accuracy, high dynamic range color display and a cheap sub-$700 window machine display, you have no business complaining about your photoshop not running properly because you need it for work...

 

[pommephone]

so, when you are getting new car you need to get new classes and license to drive? what if you are taxi driver and you need to do your work now?

Yes. We recently replaced two 20-year-old cars with new ones. There was a learning curve for the new tech, and they had to be registered.

 

[Ethosik]

I want you to do this and show me evidence. Having owned all the various versions of Windows between 3.11 for workgroups, 95, 98 SE, 2000, XP, Vista, 7, 8, 10, and now 11, I can tell you that this most likely would not work and definitely it would not work well.

To add on to this, I have tried to get many old games going (Oni from Bungie for instance) on my AMD Ryzen 5600x with 32GB RAM and an RTX5060Ti and nothing. It just uses too many frameworks that haven't been updated.

This is why when you see people still needing windows 95 for some custom software, they are still using it with windows 95...

Yes this is entirely overstated. There is a reason why hospitals and businesses still run older Windows. The whole @Windows 11 can still run everything” is just wrong. Even some old software I had trouble running even on Windows 7.

 

[Fishrrman]

OP not seen for a while now.
Guess he returned the MBP and got his Windowz laptop...

 

[code-m]

display size is such a meaningless metric, color accuracy, refresh rate, display brightness etc. all make two displays completely different. Ram speed matters, if the OP wants to do video editing (which he "needs") unified RAM is good because you don't need duplicates in VRAM.
if you're unable to tell the difference between a high-accuracy, high dynamic range color display and a cheap sub-$700 window machine display, you have no business complaining about your photoshop not running properly because you need it for work...

I don’t believe consumers who work with general office documents, surfing the web, emails etc care about the things mentioned. At the end of the day a computer is a tool to complete a basic office task and nothing more which is based on price. It’s like saying well this hammer has a nicer handle compared to that one but it cost double the price. The question in these types of consumers mind is it able to complete the task at hand and for how much less.