Mac OS X Leopard Screenshots

[benlee]

a lot of people like to complain. 99% of you haven't seen leopard past what has been shown in a keynote or on apple's website. You speculate and look for things that you don't like or what you would have done differently. If you don't like what apple makes then make your own. or go with linux or windows. There is no way that they can make an OS that has every option that every person would ever want. In other words, there is no perfect OS. Sorry SJ didn't call you up to ask your opinion, i would have called it OS X: BenLee

 

[inkswamp]

Its to bad that it doesn't have cool features like this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5aoomR7yW8&mode=related&search=

Why would I want any of that? What purpose does any of that serve, beyond geek bragging rights?

I'm not trying to sound confrontational, but ever since Apple hit on this idea of offloading the GUI work to the GPU, they have been accused to putting in eye candy just for the sake of eye candy, but from my point of view, everything Apple does in terms of "eye candy" usually serves some real purpose in terms of making the UI more effective. My favorite example is the minimizing effect in OS X. Sure, it's flashy to see the window slurp down into the dock, but the side-effect is that you get an exact visual pointer of where the window went. After watching the movie you linked to, I'm not sure how stretchy, bouncing windows and multiple desktops on a cube that I can spin at will helps me in any way. In fact, putting desktops on a cube could become a major annoyance as you might have to spin the cube around several times just to find what you're looking for.

In any case, Apple has reserved the cube spinning effect for changing users so to implement multiple desktops in that manner would cause UI confusion for more casual users.

 

[slackpacker]

Why would I want any of that? What purpose does any of that serve, beyond geek bragging rights?
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Exactly its sort of useless fluff. Its fast though... only because linux is so light on features.

 

[rainydays]

Exactly its sort of useless fluff. Its fast though... only because linux is so light on features.

Hah, you have never even used linux/gnome right? It certainly doesn't have less features than Mac OS X. It has way less cool media apps sadly.

Yes, some of the features in Beryl are basically unpolished tech demos. But there are some really nice ones in there too.

 

[DanB91]

I believe Podcast Producer only ships as part of OSX Server.

actually i was looking at the keynote again an saw jobs sorting through utilities and i believe i saw that program. it would be awesome if it were actually there in release

 

[Counter]

This is to all the people who are complaining about the menubar being translucent: how many times do we have to tell you: YOU CAN F***ING TURN IT OFF!

We know.

It's good that you can turn it off yes. Was it a good move for the new look GUI? I'll be fair and say that's debatable.

 

[3282872]

In reading these threads one thing seems apparent: opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has 'em. A lot of people complaining over something as ludicrous as the new GUI is too "translucent" or "I don't like the 3D dock" (all of which may be altered per the users request). Of course, everyone has overlooked the crucial points: 64 AND 32 bit OS, new finder, faster system, new mail/Safari/iChat, cover flow, ZFS friendly (and just might be ZFS by time of release), etc., etc., etc. More over, THIS IS ONLY A BETA SYSTEM, the last time I checked there were a few months before it's released. People need to take a pill and stop the complaining, it's making my eyes hurt.

FYI, there's a war in Iraq, some perspective might be nice here.

 

[rainydays]

FYI, there's a war in Iraq, some perspective might be nice here.

You mean the iRack?

 

[Sbrocket]

Apple should have released Leopard in June.

Judging by what Wired said, it seems leopard is very very close to final.

Leopard is nowhere near a release candidate, not yet. Sure, the final features list is done and most major things are almost completely implemented but there's still a ton of work to do. Now that a good chunk of developers have it to use bugs will start pouring into Apple's Bug Tracker by the truck load. All those minor, and possibly a few major, bugs have to get fixed before Apple can ship a polished product. Believe me, you would not be happy with the build developers got as a final product. There's still all the help files to write (that gets done last), final graphical polishes to add, etc etc.

If Wired said that Leopard is nearly finished, they need to re-evaluate their sources.

Plus, Apple's coders are still focusing on the iPhone and the soon-to-be-released hardware right now which leaves little time to devote to Leopard. Expect some major Leopard movement a few weeks after the iPhone is out and gets its verdict.

 

[besson3c]

What's funny to me is that Wired may have been the first, or one of the first publications to review Leopard... They get this opportunity, and they post screenshots of ***** screensavers? That's like reviewing a new car and focusing significant attention on the floor mats.. Who cares? Boring...

 

[OutThere]

There's really a lack of consistency in the design of Leopard as a whole...there are about 10 different button/window/color styles going on, and none of them are exclusive to an application. Basically, it makes basic app switching less intuitive, as the different application designs are not individually identifiable or visually the same.

Two other things I don't like: the not-rounded upper corners, which don't result in "more useable space" as you can't use that space anyway. All they result in is a less smooth and flowing look to the menu bar.

I also really don't like the fact that my desktop background has any bearing on the visibility or usability of the dock or the menu bar. I think we learned after the translucent menus in early versions of OS X that wanton translucence is damn annoying.


I can see the interface being workable, but it would have to allow a certain amount of customizability for turning things on or off...which we haven't seen in pretty much any other mac operating system. Maybe we'll be able to set it so stuff doesn't automatically deposit in a stack...I'll never use them, kind of like I never use the contextual menus that come up from the dock. No easier than having a desktop with it all laid out there for you to get to, instead of an awkward pile of them on the dock. Mouse movements upward on the screen are the least accurate because you have to use your arm...part of why I find the dock menus difficult.

 

[Sbrocket]

This is to all the people who are complaining about the menubar being translucent: how many times do we have to tell you: YOU CAN F***ING TURN IT OFF!

I dunno where the hell you're getting your info from, but you can't AFAIK in the build given to developers. Its certainly possible that by final we'll see the option to change the transparency of the menubar, but either its a hidden feature or you're pulling **** outta your rear because I don't see anywhere in SysPrefs to change the transparency of the menubar.

 

[Aldyn]

i'm somewhat excited for leopard.

the stacks, new finder, spaces, and other features look quite nice, but i'm not feeling the desktop "upgrade"...

personally, i don't like the transparent menubar (yes, ive read that the transparency can be turned off, so i'll settle for that.) i just don't understand what the point of having it transparent is. you can't drag any windows up higher than the menu bar, so why have it transparent if nothing is going to go up underneath it?

as for the dock, it sure does look shiny and new, but if there is going to be a feature to revert it to the current style, i'll just go with that. it bugs me that it's a "3D floor" and most icons are flat looking so it looks silly. also, i think that curved line in the dock that is supposed to be a glare or highlight looks a little dumb.

i also miss the curved corners at the top of the menubar. it always looked cute, and mimicked the shape of the windows (rounded top corners, square bottom corners)

i DO however, love the little animated space effect in time machine

 

[Peligro]

Cool!

I really think most people were expecting too much.

Almost everything everyone is complaining about missing...WILL most likely...eventually come to the OS...but comon!

One step at a time peoples!!!

I can't wait for leopard. I know it will be freakin' sweet.

 

[Much Ado]

Who here is going to get Leopard, and then hit the Time Machine button about eight times in a row? Just to watch the effects?

Then maybe swap between some spaces, and...um... then...um....

...realize that we've got a nice upgrade to an already solid OS, but really by day 3 we'll be working in much the same way as we always did.

Let Leopard come out when it does, but for now just enjoy the fact that we are still running the greatest OS in the world, and enjoy using your mac today.

 

[xUKHCx]

I dunno where the hell you're getting your info from, but you can't AFAIK in the build given to developers. Its certainly possible that by final we'll see the option to change the transparency of the menubar, but either its a hidden feature or you're pulling **** outta your rear because I don't see anywhere in SysPrefs to change the transparency of the menubar.

First hand info from Inkhead who was at WWDC, may PM Inkhead to ask how it can be turned off. The report back if indeed it can be turned off because a lot of people would like to know.

A couple of notes from Moscone WWDC (woohoo!)

Menubar transparency can be turned off

However after trying it out, you never want to, it makes you more focused, and less distracted. I thought it was ugly, then tried it. It's actually very good for productivity.

It's fast.

Stacks are fantastic.

The new finder is absolutely the best part. How many years have we wanted a cocoa finder? It's HERE!!!!! Browsing network shares is no longer met with delays, it's using the fast Unix finally. I can try to mount 10 shares without every seeing a cursor.

Proper multi-threaded support. No more pauses when clicking on the menubar or anything else. Apps keep chugging along.

No more beachball so far.

It's the perfect OS for productivity. No crazy changes, just refinement to the extreme.

It's a beautiful thing!

DVD player has been able to play HD-DVDs for a long time. It has blu-ray and HD-DVD settings in prefs now.

Dock works fine on the sides, 3D but the icons are sideways (proper) with shadow. Looks awesome on the side. I'd post pictures but I'd rather not be in Apple prison.

 

[Mr Fusion]

Not Sold On Leopard... Yet

It sounds like most people here wanted more style than substance from Leopard and boy did you get it. For the "biggest Mac OS X upgrade ever" I see just one or two new features [out of the "300+" new ones.. show me a list Steve] that I would actually use on a daily basis. A bit steep for $129 if you ask me.

 

[nuckinfutz]

It sounds like most people here wanted more style than substance from Leopard and boy did you get it. For the "biggest Mac OS X upgrade ever" I see just one or two new features [out of the "300+" new ones.. show me a list Steve] that I would actually use on a daily basis. A bit steep for $129 if you ask me.

You haven't sold us on what's missing. You claim that Leopard is more style than substance but what glaring areas of substance were omitted? The whole "I only see a couple of features that I'd use daily" is folly.

Leopard brings improved multi-core support via nsoperation
http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/technology/multicore.html

You have no choice but to use and benefit from that.

The Finder is theaded and no longer hiccups when mounting/unmounting volumes. You can't avoid that

Quartz now has a dedicated thread to the GPU for handling UI drawing meaning everything should be fluid and lag free for the most part. That can't be avoided.

Quicktime has large updates (not covered at WWDC keynote) you can't avoid that.

Who wouldn't use Quick look? Unless you like opening up Preview or Keynote or whatever just to view a files contents.

Time Machine is only important if your data is important. If you don't give a **** about your data then it means nothing.

What you seem to be doing is trying to find a justification for not wanting to $129. However it's easier to say " I don't want to spend $129" than to try and portray Leopard as some simpleton upgrade. The only way you can rebutt is to say "I don't use this and that" which makes you a basic user. Nothing wrong with that but for some of us users beyond the level of "basic" we need and welcome the many new feautre of Leopard.

Calling Leopard "style over substance" is something you're going to have to defend because I'm knocking them walls down as soon as they pop up.

 

[nuckinfutz]

In reading these threads one thing seems apparent: opinions are like a$$holes, everybody has 'em. A lot of people complaining over something as ludicrous as the new GUI is too "translucent" or "I don't like the 3D dock" (all of which may be altered per the users request). Of course, everyone has overlooked the crucial points: 64 AND 32 bit OS, new finder, faster system, new mail/Safari/iChat, cover flow, ZFS friendly (and just might be ZFS by time of release), etc., etc., etc. More over, THIS IS ONLY A BETA SYSTEM, the last time I checked there were a few months before it's released. People need to take a pill and stop the complaining, it's making my eyes hurt.

FYI, there's a war in Iraq, some perspective might be nice here.

Yes they are. Think about it this way. If the chief complaints about Leopard are around the translucency of the Menu Bar or the Dock's 3D shelf then Apple done a damn good job Those issues are trivial at best...I've even read from some running the beta that the translucent Menu isn't as hard to read as they thought it would be. Let's be honest most screenshots are pretty small comparitive to your display.

It's clear that Leopard has a lot of new features. You can find out a whole bunch by viewing the public WWDC 2007 sessions list on developer.apple.com

We go through this every year like clockwork.

1. Apple shows off new OS
2. Complains abound about the silliest of topics
3. Inevitably the "it's not worth $129" statements come
4. OS ships
5. People begin to report all the "little" things that have improved that get no attention in keynotes.
6. People start to hop on either right away or after the first .1 update.

Lather...rinse ...repeat. It's an annual event.

 

[Soundburst]

What are the Major Quicktime updates?

 

[nuckinfutz]

What are the Major Quicktime updates?

They've apparently improved the encoding of Quicktime greatly. h.264 supports Alpha now. De-interlacing of MPEG2 content is supported (hooray DVD player 5)

QT Capture can support the capture of multiple streams or the output of multiple streams.

I imagine the next iMovie could be pretty damn cool. There's more but I dont' have ADC access for all the deets.

Audio has improved as well but again...lack of access really doesn't allow me to get more info. I know that surround sound is native to Core Audio in Leopard (not Dolby but the ability to pan your own 5.1 content)

 

[Verschoren]

You know what would be nice?

To make the menubar hidng like the dock

just let it appear (transparant/grey/whatever) when needed

more screenestate to work on and there when you need it.

 

[hollerz]

With regards to rounded corners, if you look at Apple's Tiger pages, the screenshots on there don't have rounded corners either:

http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/features/expose/

I hope they are still there in Leopard.

 

[rainydays]

With regards to rounded corners, if you look at Apple's Tiger pages, the screenshots on there don't have rounded corners either:

http://www.apple.com/uk/macosx/features/expose/

I hope they are still there in Leopard.

They are rounded in those screenshots. The screenshots are just too small to show it properly.

 

[Mr Fusion]

You haven't sold us on what's missing...

Well that's a bit difficult to do when I don't even know what all is in it. If they are advertising 300+ new features and the biggest upgrade to OS X yet, then Apple should make a list. You pointed out some important stuff that was not included in the Keynote, thank you for that. Now let's see:

"List of Features:

1:______
2:______
.
.
.
300:_____"

Simple enough?

What you seem to be doing is trying to find a justification for not wanting to $129. However it's easier to say " I don't want to spend $129" than to try and portray Leopard as some simpleton upgrade. The only way you can rebutt is to say "I don't use this and that" which makes you a basic user. Nothing wrong with that but for some of us users beyond the level of "basic" we need and welcome the many new feautre of Leopard.

I am saying I want to know what I am getting for the money. Tell me all the features and then I'll know if it is worth the $ instead of being forced to make an assumption based on the unknown.