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Mac Pro 1,1s are officially screwed

throAU said:
Your Mac pro is slower than my Macbook Pro.

6 years in computer years is about double the average life expectancy. You had a good run, let it go.

Or live with Lion/Snow Leopard...
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Only based on benchmarks. Crossing over 16 GB of ram makes a real difference. I can do more things at 1 time than you could on your laptop.

6 years may be double the lifetime expectations in the Windows side of the house, but I normally get between 5 - 7 years out of each machine. My G5 is still productive, & the only reason I shut down the G4 tower was because I didn't want to go & buy a new monitor for it.

I can move my drives over to a new system, but I haven't seen anything in either Lion or Mountain Lion that screams "must have".

Cloud integration sounds real good until you realize that you have to go through your ISP to get to the cloud. That doesn't look to be a problem in Europe or Asia, but here in the states, that will be the biggest holdup.
 
I don't really get the "it's sad" thing. It's an old computer. Get a new one. Why is it sad? It's not like it's person or something
 
throAU said:
No, its not. Most extended warranties are 3 years. 6 years is DOUBLE that.

Find another hardware manufacturer that provides extended support for desktop computers in excess of 3 years and get back to me on that.
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I think you're confusing support with warranty. Also, the support we're talking in this context is the ability to run Mountain Lion.

Here's my dilemma again:

My Mac Pro will not run Mountain Lion even though it's much more capable than a lot of machines on the "supported list".
 
ClassObject said:
I don't really get the "it's sad" thing. It's an old computer. Get a new one. Why is it sad? It's not like it's person or something
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Because a MacPro is not an iMac. Software is just now catching up to the capabilities of the hardware of my 5 year old box. Then there is the fact that not everyone has 4500 or so lying around to get a new MacPro.

If I am going to move to a 36 month replacement cycle, I'll move to a Dell. I can stay 12 months behind the bleeding edge for a lot less money.

I upgrade when there is a reason to upgrade. Which is why I am still on 10.6. I haven't seen anything in either Lion or Mountain Lion that screams "You need this!" On the other hand, I still have software that needs Rosetta. No, none of it is "mission critical", but it is "mission this make my computing experience run smoothly". I would prefer updated versions of these products, but it hasn't happened yet. Soon, I hope, but not yet.
 
ssgbryan said:
Only based on benchmarks. Crossing over 16 GB of ram makes a real difference. I can do more things at 1 time than you could on your laptop.

6 years may be double the lifetime expectations in the Windows side of the house, but I normally get between 5 - 7 years out of each machine.
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I'm aware that at certain things the Mac Pro may be faster, however my point is, technology moves on.

1. my mbp supports SATA3 for 6 gigabit sata disks. your pro doesn't
2. my mbp supports thunderbolt for high speed external devices - your pro doesn't

However all that is moot; Your pro is not 64 bit EFI capable.

Sure, you can fit more ram. Have you? Your CPU lacks instructions for AES encryption and video transcoding which makes a huge difference if you do those tasks

And finally - if you're expecting 5-7 years out of a machine, guess what? You're smack bang on 6 years right now (i.e., right within the range you normally get), and you can easily run lion for another 12 months to take you to 7.

Its time to upgrade, or live with Snow Leopard/Lion, like I said.

It had a good life, and far longer than you would normally expect from a machine. I'm sure those who bought an original 128k Mac back in 1984 were feeling the pinch by 1990 as well.

I can move my drives over to a new system, but I haven't seen anything in either Lion or Mountain Lion that screams "must have".
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Then why are you so upset about Mountain Lion being unavailable? Keep using snow leopard?
 
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I'm very upset. My dual processor G4 1.25 ghz can't run Mountain Lion. It's a very capable machine! Way faster than the 1 ghz iMac G4s that shipped at the time. It still runs Final Cut Studio 2 like a champ, and has better graphics card than a lot of brand new computers Apple sells today. I bought a high end computer so I could have something up to date for the next 10 years, and this is how Apple treats me. Now I'm stuck on Leopard, which is a horrible operating system. At least it is now that Mountain Lion is announced.

What is Apple thinking? Totally awful decision.
 
I have a Mac Pro 1,1 with an Nvidia 8800 GT. From what I've read here, even though I upgraded the graphics card, I still won't be able to run Mountain Lion?

I may just sell it then, but without a Mac Pro upgrade, what alternative is there? It has been 570 days according to the http://guides.macrumors.com/Mac_Pro_Buyer's_Guide

I don't need a laptop, a Mac Mini is limited to 8 gb of RAM, and I already have an Apple Cinema Display, so an iMac seems wasteful.

What are the rest of you doing, going to wait for a Mac Pro update?
 
Pretty sure the mini can take 16gb unofficially?

If you could get away with say, a mini + 16gb + SSD + thunderbolt external storage it would be faster than an old Mac Pro, you'd pay a lot less than a mac pro, and (with the saved money) be able to upgrade it every new model and take advantage of new CPU instructions on a regular basis.

If an old Mac pro is fast enough and you don't have heaps of peripherals in it, a new mini is probably enough, if 16gb ram will do?
 
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goMac said:
I'm very upset. My dual processor G4 1.25 ghz can't run Mountain Lion. It's a very capable machine! Way faster than the 1 ghz iMac G4s that shipped at the time. It still runs Final Cut Studio 2 like a champ, and has better graphics card than a lot of brand new computers Apple sells today. I bought a high end computer so I could have something up to date for the next 10 years, and this is how Apple treats me. Now I'm stuck on Leopard, which is a horrible operating system. At least it is now that Mountain Lion is announced.

What is Apple thinking? Totally awful decision.
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Now turn that into a case where you're suddenly not able to drive in downtown LA because your car is older than 10 years. You've completely restored it and put a lot of new parts. It's perfectly capable of driving in downtown LA with the rest of them but for arbitrary reasons you're not allowed.

That's how I feel now.
 
throAU said:
Pretty sure the mini can take 16gb unofficially?

If you could get away with say, a mini + 16gb + SSD + thunderbolt external storage it would be faster than an old Mac Pro, you'd pay a lot less than a mac pro, and be able to upgrade it every new model and take advantage of new CPU instructions on a regular basis.

If an old Mac pro is fast enough and you don't have heaps of peripherals in it, a new mini is probably enough, if 16gb ram will do?
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Hm, that's an idea. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_Mac_mini/DDR3_1333 sells this 16 gb upgrade, for anyone wondering.

I already have an SSD as my boot drive and 3 storage drives, so a firewire JBOD (or thunderbolt, if they make such a thing yet) setup would work.
 
hopefully if the code is able to run on the system someone will find out a way to bypass the version checks the installer runs
 
MacinJosh said:
Now turn that into a case where you're suddenly not able to drive in downtown LA because your car is older than 10 years. You've completely restored it and put a lot of new parts. It's perfectly capable of driving in downtown LA with the rest of them but for arbitrary reasons you're not allowed.

That's how I feel now.
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Its not an arbitrary reason; your machine lacks 64 bit EFI.

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shinji said:
Hm, that's an idea. http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/Apple_Mac_mini/DDR3_1333 sells this 16 gb upgrade, for anyone wondering.

I already have an SSD as my boot drive and 3 storage drives, so a firewire JBOD (or thunderbolt, if they make such a thing yet) setup would work.
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You can most certainly get ethernet enclosures (nas), which may do the job?

Alternatively, keep the mac pro and just fill it with disks, and use that with lion server for time machine backup, remote storage, etc?

You could even run Xgrid on it and share its CPU out for CPU intensive workloads (so you'll have BOTH your mini's CPUs and your old Pro's CPUs available for Xgrid compatible apps).

The more I think about it, the more that makes sense :D
 
throAU said:
Its not an arbitrary reason; your machine lacks 64 bit EFI.
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It lacks EFI64 for arbitrary reasons. It's perfectly capable of having one. Apple just wants people to upgrade and buy new hardware.

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silverboy31 said:
Still sucks though.....
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Are we 100% sure it's an EFI64 related restriction? Those of you that have tried installing ML into a 1,1, what GFX card do you have? Maybe having a 5770 or similar would make a difference?
 
AdrianK said:
Surely, plist or not, the problem with the MacBook 1,1 was that Lion contained 64bit processes?
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no, in the GM version it was just a plist, then news spread that is was so simple to disable it, so when Lion shipped, apple removed the 32bit version of Finder (which was there, fully functioning, in the Golden Master) so that the 2006 macbook would not run it.
 
I too feel slightly disappointed. My Pro is much more capable than my laptop which is supported. When my G5 and G4 came to the end of their upgrades I didn't feel this disappointment as although they were still great (and still are!) they were feeling a little long in the tooth but my Pro now does not...
 
silverboy31 said:
Still sucks though.....
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Transmission with peer blocking list AND PeerGuardian at the same time? They use the same blacklist, so you will not be any more hidden with your TV series downloading habits if you used both. BTW you just posted it on a forum, so you owned yourself, actually :)
 
Uh, did anyone actually RTFA?

That article doesn't say *WHY* it's not supported specifically, whereas it mentions graphics cards in other models. It pulled that list from a ****ing APPLE SUPPORT DOCUMENT (can you say unreliable?!).

Isn't it perfectly conceivable that this is either a graphics card issue (Read: no Nvidia 7200GT / Radeon X1900 support) or a 64 bit kernel issue?? Both of these things are fairly easily worked around.

You guys are ridiculous. Like the 5870 says it's not compatible with the 1,1 but CLEARLY is, why don't you guys friggin wait until we have confirmation before going crazy?
 
Graeme43 said:
I got offered 10.8 seed from Apple and it clearly states the Mac requires to be able to run 64 bit kernel which doesn't happen on EFI32 :( says u need 2008 or newer
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As someone else posted here, there's a workaround for it called chameleon. The only downside is: you can't boot off USB or firewire into mountain lion
 
So, what are the chances the 3,1 and 4,1 Mac Pro are cut off with the release after Mountain Lion?
 
Mountain Lion? Isn't that what Yanks call a Cougar?

I have no serious intention to "upgrade" to Lion let alone Mountain Moggy as such move will kill half my software library due to no Rosetta support.
My Octo 2008 MP may be compatible but it is staying Snow Leopard for the foreseeable.
It ain't broken so I ain't fixing it and why should you? :D
 
So what is the problem with flashing a 64-bit EFI into the 1,1 again? Need to remove the chip from the mobo? If so, nobody will care to create a 64-bit EFI in the first place.
How about using the EFI bootloaders as the Hackintosh does? I have never even seen one, but apparently their owners have a workaround for not having EFI in their machines at all.
 
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