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MisterAndrew

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It seems for some reason the 430 firmware had to be delayed or cancelled in favor of another revision, I’d imagine a more serious bug was found with it. At times like this I do wish Apple was a bit more transparent about such things, but it does seem they’re working on it.
I was thinking that too. I don't know how safe the 430 firmware is since it was pulled from the public release. We'll have to see if it comes back, or a new one, with 12.4 beta when it comes out. I think I'll hold off installing 12.4 beta myself since the issue appears to be resolved on my machine.
 

MisterAndrew

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How does one get Firmware 430?

I would like to get more memory for my nMP but this is the only thing holding me back. It currently crashes every 2-3 days. I'm now running 12.3
I think it's in the last 12.3 beta (before RC). You can find it on the Public Beta channel. You can use a script like installinstallmacos.py. You might need to install Homebrew first and then python. For some reason on my Monterey system I have to run python as python3. I guess you can use pyenv to make the latest python version default, but I haven't got it working yet. The Linux command line stuff kind of hurts my head.

Once you get the prerequisites going run the command
sudo python installinstallmacos.py --seedprogram PublicSeed (or sudo python3 installinstallmacos.py --seedprogram PublicSeed)

Then select the 12.3 beta and it'll download and build the MacOS install package.

Edit: I tried it myself and for some reason the script is failing to build the install. But I found the direct download link on this page: https://gitlab.com/0403979/macos-downloader
 
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adingley

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Firmware 430
No crash anymore
Can you explain how you came to be running FW 430... ? Are you running that Beta(3?) version still, or has apple's 12.3 updater been quietly changed to now include the FW upgrade. A bunch of us installed the 12.3 update last Tuesday and were all still running FW429... after the update.
 
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MG-Pro

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Mine keeps crashing since I upgraded to Monterey (12.0.1) when first released. This morning I installed 12.3, still same issue.

When upgrading to 12.3 I used my original Apple SSD and then re-did the installation on my Aura Pro X2.

Firmware did not update. Currently still running: 429.60.3.0.0.

Specs are: 12 Core CPU, D300, 64GB OWC Ram, 1TB OWC AURA Pro X2. Connected to LG 5K Ultrafine via TB2 to TB3.

My next troubleshooting steps are:

- Clean Install Monterey. If issue persists
- Then replace CMOS battery: BR2032, If issue persists
- Then I will sell it. The constant crashing is driving me crazy.

I have the exact same software config on my MacBook Pro 15-inch 2018 - and no issues at all. This problem has me baffled.
Update: It's still crashing with the latest 12.3. It's been crashing 1 - 2 times a day during sleep.
 

adingley

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Okay... so, I recognize that this is probably preventing my machine from sleeping, but it certainly felt a little simpler than running some program like caffeinate or un-plugging my display every time I walked away from the computer.

I initially did this because I was trying to trace how long my machine ran without crashing — turns out this script mostly prevents my machine from ever crashing in the first place. I now only see ~1 crashes every 2-3 weeks (closer to 3, honestly)

I Just opened up a new crontab in terminal:

In the edit mode, I entered two lines: 1— a simple script that runs on the hour, every hour of every day, and 2— a simple script that runs at midnight every day. Both just pipe & append their respective strings of code into a text file. This way I've always got a record of "how long" the machine has been "up", and "when the last reboots were?".

Bash:
0 * * * * uptime >> /Users/Alex/Mac\ Pro\ Uptime.txt
0 0 * * * last reboot >> /Users/Alex/Mac\ Pro\ Last \Reboot.txt

oddly enough... by running this, I suppose I'm never letting the machine sleep the same way or at least not long enough for the crash to occur, because I barely see crashes anymore with this code running. If I stop the scripts from running, then I get a crash every day or two during sleep.

I recognize there might be undesirable aspects of "keeping the machine busy" so that it doesn't crash, but I have a toddler, and I get pulled away during work CONSTANTLY, and I can't afford to lose progress/work just because I got drawn away for 45min. The above scripting has dramatically reduced my instance of crashing, and has allowed me to keep functioning with this machine as my primary work Mac.

That said — once some of the drivers & studio apps that I need become 12.3 compliant and/or M1 Native, I'm gonna be VERY likely to jump over to an M1-Ultra Studio Mac.
 
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haroldkman2000

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I've been dealing with 'crashing after sleeping' since upgrading to Monterey months ago. My workaround has been to just Shutdown instead and just test every upgrade until it is fixed (Apple Support was a nightmare so I gave up on that route).

I upgraded to 12.3 four days ago or so. It went 3 days without a crash but then finally crashed when waking it from Sleep. However, it seems to have gotten much worse from there. For the first time, it crashed while awake, just died in the middle of watching a movie. Okay, could have been a one off but then it just crashed again while I was just browsing around. That is two 'awake' crashes in the last day or two. In 3 or 4 years, I've maybe crashed 'awake' once.

Not sure if anybody else is experiencing this but it's pretty scary. If it crashes again like this I will just have to brave Apple Support again, although it's probably less painful to live with the crashes.
 

loby

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I've been dealing with 'crashing after sleeping' since upgrading to Monterey months ago. My workaround has been to just Shutdown instead and just test every upgrade until it is fixed (Apple Support was a nightmare so I gave up on that route).

I upgraded to 12.3 four days ago or so. It went 3 days without a crash but then finally crashed when waking it from Sleep. However, it seems to have gotten much worse from there. For the first time, it crashed while awake, just died in the middle of watching a movie. Okay, could have been a one off but then it just crashed again while I was just browsing around. That is two 'awake' crashes in the last day or two. In 3 or 4 years, I've maybe crashed 'awake' once.

Not sure if anybody else is experiencing this but it's pretty scary. If it crashes again like this I will just have to brave Apple Support again, although it's probably less painful to live with the crashes.
Better to brave Apple support, for it “may” get them to look for a fix instead of just letting this go unfix to make people buy the Studio. But I am hoping Apple is not doing this.
 
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ikir

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Got this sleep issue too. macOS 12.4 beta isn’t even out yet.

Probably they pulled 430 since I’ve installed macOS 12.3 and got firmware 429.60.3.0.0 not 430
 
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ikir

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I think it's in the last 12.3 beta (before RC). You can find it on the Public Beta channel. You can use a script like installinstallmacos.py. You might need to install Homebrew first and then python. For some reason on my Monterey system I have to run python as python3. I guess you can use pyenv to make the latest python version default, but I haven't got it working yet. The Linux command line stuff kind of hurts my head.

Once you get the prerequisites going run the command
sudo python installinstallmacos.py --seedprogram PublicSeed (or sudo python3 installinstallmacos.py --seedprogram PublicSeed)

Then select the 12.3 beta and it'll download and build the MacOS install package.

Edit: I tried it myself and for some reason the script is failing to build the install. But I found the direct download link on this page: https://gitlab.com/0403979/macos-downloader
Still stable with 430.x firmware? Have you noticed other issue? I really hope 12.4 beta will install 430.x
 
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adingley

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So question for the group. Is everyone else who's in this thread actually relying upon and trying to use Monterey as their primary install of macOS? I myself was not. In my recording setup, many apps that I run aren't yet Monterey Compatible (or at least the older versions I run aren't)... so my whole entry into this mess was due to an experiment with the OS, which caused the firmware update. So two part question:

  • Is anyone else like me in that they're primarily running an earlier version of macOS (I am running most of my work through this machine running 11.6.5)
  • Would it be feasible for someone in my position to join the beta program / install the beta sw installer utility / get 12.3 Beta-V3, and enjoy the FW430... update, and then just use my other boot drive to run 11.6.5 on the newer firmware?
 

ikir

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So question for the group. Is everyone else who's in this thread actually relying upon and trying to use Monterey as their primary install of macOS? I myself was not. In my recording setup, many apps that I run aren't yet Monterey Compatible (or at least the older versions I run aren't)... so my whole entry into this mess was due to an experiment with the OS, which caused the firmware update. So two part question:

  • Is anyone else like me in that they're primarily running an earlier version of macOS (I am running most of my work through this machine running 11.6.5)
  • Would it be feasible for someone in my position to join the beta program / install the beta sw installer utility / get 12.3 Beta-V3, and enjoy the FW430... update, and then just use my other boot drive to run 11.6.5 on the newer firmware?
New firmware can boot old OSes. I have last firmware but I can boot Monterey, Windows, High Sierra.
 

TheBeverage

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So question for the group. Is everyone else who's in this thread actually relying upon and trying to use Monterey as their primary install of macOS? I myself was not. In my recording setup, many apps that I run aren't yet Monterey Compatible (or at least the older versions I run aren't)... so my whole entry into this mess was due to an experiment with the OS, which caused the firmware update. So two part question:

  • Is anyone else like me in that they're primarily running an earlier version of macOS (I am running most of my work through this machine running 11.6.5)
  • Would it be feasible for someone in my position to join the beta program / install the beta sw installer utility / get 12.3 Beta-V3, and enjoy the FW430... update, and then just use my other boot drive to run 11.6.5 on the newer firmware?
I’ve been using Monterey for my system, this issue is annoying but hardly makes the system unusable. It only crashes during long periods of non-use, meaning multiple hours. I don’t leave any unsaved projects open when I’m not going to touch my Mac for hours in the first place. I’ll be very happy when it’s fixed but the people claiming they need to throw their Macs out are being a bit silly.
 
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adingley

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New firmware can boot old OSes
Well, yeah… I’m aware that (in general) newer firmwares don’t preclude one from running an older os, and I presume that what I’m suggesting might work (for me or anyone like me who’s not actually trying to run Monterey as the primary Os) but I just wanted to put the notion out there to see if anyone had insights (as I’ve never used a beta version of macOS before) about this that might be a good warning to heed before trying it.
 

fiatlux

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I’ve been using Monterey for my system, this issue is annoying but hardly makes the system unusable. It only crashes during long periods of non-use, meaning multiple hours. I don’t leave any unsaved projects open when I’m not going to touch my Mac for hours in the first place. I’ll be very happy when it’s fixed but the people claiming they need to throw their Macs out are being a bit silly.
Same here, even if I have been about to throw my Mac out of the window a few times (an unusable RAM slot due to 1 bent pin, eGPU being so finicky that I eventually gave up...).
I did order a Mac Studio, first brand new Mac for me since my 2007 MacBook (my Mac Mini, Mac Pro 4,1 and 6,1 were all bought second hand), fingers crossed that it'll be a smoother ride than on the MP6,1....
 
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adingley

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I did order a Mac Studio, first brand new Mac for me since my 2007 MacBook (my Mac Mini, Mac Pro 4,1 and 6,1 were all bought second hand), fingers crossed that it'll be a smoother ride than on the MP6,1....
What kind of work are you using the new Mac for?
 

fiatlux

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What kind of work are you using the new Mac for?
Mostly photography-related work in Lightroom and Photoshop. A bit of 4K video editing in Da Vinci Resolve as well.
My MP6,1 is still doing OK (it is a 12 core with D500 GPUs and an updated 512GB SSD) although the loss of the eGPU (a Vega 56) had a noticeable impact on the overall reactvity in both Resolve and Lightroom. It also meant I could no longer drive my 5K display at 5K.
So, in addition to an overall improvement in CPU/GPU power, I am very much looking forward to an up-to-date machine with up-to-date interfaces...
 
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Trunkz

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I'm just imaging the last 12.3 beta onto a USB stick; will swap a spare SSD into my MP 6,1 and install the beta. If it upgrades my system to the 430.x firmware; will swap back to my original SSD and inform folks on here whether the revised firmware does indeed fix the sleep issues.

Bit of a ballache but the constant crashing is far more disruptive :)
 

BubbaMc

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I'm just imaging the last 12.3 beta onto a USB stick; will swap a spare SSD into my MP 6,1 and install the beta. If it upgrades my system to the 430.x firmware; will swap back to my original SSD and inform folks on here whether the revised firmware does indeed fix the sleep issues.

Bit of a ballache but the constant crashing is far more disruptive :)
Could you upload your USB image somewhere please?
 

Trunkz

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Its fixed :) updated to 430.100.23.0.0 firmware and its not crashed once. Thanks @MisterAndrew for the initial find.

For the inevitable questions:

1. Running 12.3 - public release
2. 1TB Intel SSD
3. MP 6,1 /w Xeon 12core proc, D300 graphics.
4. To grab the 430.x firmware; install 12.3 beta 5. I cant comment on earlier betas; but this is the latest one prior to the release candidate builds and this contained the 430.x firmware update for me.

I'm not sure if the forum permits linking to these builds; so either utilise the installmacos.py script or Google!
 
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