Jesus. This went off the rails and turned into a "titshorm" fast. And now it's just kind of flinging all over in the wake & turbulence aftermath. Feels like I'm wading through pages of memes and LOLs.
I still use base Ultra for 3D on C4D / Redshift. Last 6 months I use this machine every single day. All I can say is I have no complaints.
You know this and I know this, even if I'm in Blender and Resolve nowadays.
To me, video coloring work, video composition & effects, and 3D work are perfect examples of 'pro' use cases that would benefit from a Mac Pro. Apart from fast application drives, I also have raided SSDs and many TBs of internal slower storage for back-ups and large texture collections and libraries. I have never owned a Mac Mini, or Mac Studio-sized computer for my workstation. I don't feel that is viable.
Smarter to outsource!?! Seriously?
For commercial work: 💯. I see this a lot across all platforms. Doesn't matter if you have two 4000-series cards in your PC, a lot of people use render farms. Why shouldn't they? Once you're running a business, it's about working smarter, not harder. Free up your own computer and bill the client, who in turn gets the job faster.
I. They. Not necessarily you. It might not work for everyone. But it's not nonsense.
Again, you’re rehashing the proven failed “it works for some” trashcan arguments.
...and yet:
My problem with it is not the machine (referring to Trashcan and possibly Mac Studio), or that lots of people like it or found it useful. Mozel tov and skål. The weird thing is I'm perfectly happy that many people are happy with the trashcan/studio. Truly.
It really is weird, since you don't come across that way. There's been very little 'tipping the hat' or 'raising glasses' so far.
You say that I bring "proven failed arguments" and then you more or less acknowledge the same thing with your next breath. The funny thing is that Apple's apology tour was concerning the Trashcan and the mistakes they made in their decision process. You admit to not actually having that much issue with that computer and that you even own one. I, on the other hand, think the 6.1 was a huge brain fart. The thinking around standard dual GPUs was great, but the whole "shiny and compact" was a serious mistake. I DO think that internal expandability is a hallmark of a good workstation, but that isn't limited to the ability to accept GPUs.
I am not "apologizing" for the Trashcan, which I consider a failed design and there were many problems with the GPUs too.
I don't feel the need to say, "NO, you need to accept what ***I*** deem necessary as good and live with that definition for your needs."
Apparently, not feeling the need isn't preventing you from saying it.
I just constantly getting apologies/excuses for how I need to accept others' opinions that a trashcan makes a great Mac Pro despite it's lack of expandability, or that the studio should be good enough for me,
I don't think ANYONE has said that you should accept others' definitions of what a functioning concept could be. In fact, I know that I have in at least two posts been clear about that my "worst case scenarios" will shift the user base. I've spelled it out: Apple will leave some users behind while gaining others if we end up with a 'no GPU' Mac Pro.
And this leads us to the culprit:
My problem with it is that machine prevented people that need a real expandable Mac Pro from having a real expandable Mac Pro because it was not nor would it ever be a real expandable Mac Pro. That's why I hate that machine.
And there you have it. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and hate leads to throwing fits. I might be paraphrasing, but I think that's 1:1 verbatim from Obi-One.
I didn't lie in a previous post where I said I agree with you in large parts. You correctly identify the real problem: when Apple launches a Mac Pro that works for "almost everyone" (meaning "enough of everyone"), they will stop there and that leaves people behind. It prevents them from taking the extra step and offering that top-echelon no-compromise Mac Pro.
Just stating the obvious: I'm sure Apple would happily trade 5 bitching geezers for 100 happy campers.
Listen: I want you to get your Mac Pro. Defining the minimum viable product as a more capable machine draws no objections from me. The price might go up, but if we're only talking about possible expandability, that shouldn't be a problem: if you don't need the GPUs, don't buy them.
