I'm curious as to what your definition of "professional" OS is. Having used both myself (quite extensively), I can say that both have their own massive pros and cons, which makes it a bit of a wash for me.
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I'm curious as to what your definition of "professional" OS is. Having used both myself (quite extensively), I can say that both have their own massive pros and cons, which makes it a bit of a wash for me.
Funnily Windows is more of a professional OS than macOS these days. SOLIDWORKS and lots of pros use it in office and even Linux is more pro and is getting better App support look at the gaming support better than macOS these days.
The OS the Mac runs is silly, loving an OS but hating another when at the end of the day they are tools to get work done. Windows and Linux can still be customized heavily, not so much macOS.
The OS the Mac runs is silly, loving an OS but hating another when at the end of the day they are tools to get work done. Windows and Linux can still be customized heavily, not so much macOS.
Funnily Windows is more of a professional OS than macOS these days. SOLIDWORKS and lots of pros use it in office and even Linux is more pro and is getting better App support look at the gaming support better than macOS these days.
The OS the Mac runs is silly, loving an OS but hating another when at the end of the day they are tools to get work done. Windows and Linux can still be customized heavily, not so much macOS.
Indeed how much time do you actually spend with the OS and how much time spending actually in Applications.
If spending so much time in the OS then too me something is wrong. I do my work in Applications not the OS.
Stable, robust, and needs zero management. Stays out of the way.
I can't remember the last time I needed to manage macOS. With Windows, I feel like every 15 minutes there's something popping up or some question that needs to be answered. Constant micro-management.
It is my guess that if I was really serious about it, I could probably quiet Windows down after a few days. The last time I installed Windows I made an effort to like it, but fell out of love really quickly. And in the end there are many little things – like how the trackpad works. It doesn't matter if the computer is 3x faster if the mouse pointer isn't completely smooth.
But I'm not trying to convince anyone else. I'm just saying that for Mac users PCs are irrelevant. For "computer users" not so much.
So you feel the phrasing 'die-hard Mac user' is pejorative, yet go on to say that 'nothing would make you switch to Windows', that Windows is not a 'professional' OS, and that to become one, it would need a fundamental re-think. I mean, I prefer macOS myself, but it's a stretch to say that you can't get work done efficiently in Windows as well. Especially when using the same software.
That's a rather a circular argument. What if macOS got worse, and Windows got better? Would you consider switching? Or do 'Mac users' not consider such things, only "computer users"?
I think the last time you used Windows, you must have had a virus or malware running in the background, because that doesn't sound normal.
So yesterday I got a Nvidia A4000RTX for half price off eBay and stuck it in my 7’1. And thanks to this forum I easily upgraded to Window 11. It runs flawlessly.
On the one hand I love that my 7’1 has that flexibility. Using Vray in Cinema 4d in Win 11 is super smooth.
Then I did a test.
Rendered a scene on the two duos in Mac OS. 5 mins.
Same scene on my little Nvidia card. 6 mins!
So either there’s some amazing magic in that Nvidia card or those duos are are not performing Apple needs to do some work on Metal etc.
On the one hand I love that my 7’1 has that flexibility. Using Vray in Cinema 4d in Win 11 is super smooth.
Then I did a test.
Rendered a scene on the two duos in Mac OS. 5 mins.
Same scene on my little Nvidia card. 6 mins!
So either there’s some amazing magic in that Nvidia card or those duos are are not performing Apple needs to do some work on Metal etc.
Apple doesn't care they are in Apple Sillicon land now. I also bet that Nvidia card is more efficient than the duos.
What do the Duos do under Windows?
It could just be Apple not having things very optimised. Impressive from the Nvidia card.
I don't know what you are doing with Windows, but mine runs very well, no unexpected popups or similar. Very stable and fast as well - actually quicker than MacOS.
Can't use the Duo's in Windows for 3D - Redshift is in Alpha still for Windows.
That's been my experience to.
Not strictly true - Whilst the rendering experience in Redshift on MacOS hasn't been the most seamless, it has improved and only recently Apple reached out Maxon re fixing the remaining issues as what's left can only been resolved by them. The olive branch wasn't specific to AS either.
This is true. If you have access to a 12th gen/13th gen Intel system those fly on Windows faster than M chips when it comes to snappiness.
I hope you're not implying that I said that you can't work efficiently in Windows. A lot of people do.
I was clear that it is how I feel and that I'm not trying to convince someone else.
In my second to last post I wrote:
"Nothing would make me switch to Windows the way its developed today. I'm not principally against it though. If Microsoft decided to make a truly professiional OS, I guess I would consider it. But it would take a fundamental shift in priorities."
I was thinking that proactively answered your quesiton? But for me to switch, it's only my opinions about it that matters. For you to switch, it would be your opinions, right?
And since the OS ties in to so many areas apart from pure performance, it's my guess that a lot of users are like me: we're not second guessing the OS of choice for each computer buy. And once you have decided to use macOS, you're not looking at PCs.
I think the last time you used Windows, you must have had a virus or malware running in the background, because that doesn't sound normal.
Quick comment/half hearted response: no virus or malfunctioning components. It was more a case of going through the motions when setting up Windows, from installing the OS to all the major and minor apps. This whole process just exposed what I would call differences in mindset... or perhaps design principles.
And granted: installing and tweaking a new install exposes you to all the little things and idiosyncracies than then fade into the background during daily use. That's why I also mentioned that "it quiets down after a few days" when all is up and running.
For me it became: "OK, so here are some differences, and I prefer the macOS way".
No magic. The TL;DR is that you are testing the Nvidia card against a set of features that it supports well, whereas the AMD cards are lacking.
It's just a fact that some areas of computing benefit immensly when using Nvidia cards.
This is one of the perennial issues with the Mac platform - Apple's refusal to deal with Nvidia. Even if Apple were to fill their next Mac Pro with GPU-supporting PCIe slots, they certainly won't provide drivers for Nvidia cards. To sections of industry, CUDA is a required feature; Optix increasingly too.
Sure. The effects haven't been small for the last couple of years.
No need to quibble about that too: Apple is most likely part of the problem, but I can't help to think of the Linus Thorvalds video on YouTube where he gives Nvidia a long finger with an accompanying "F** U". One can't help to think that Nvidia's culture and management also contributes to whatever goes on behind the scenes.
Even if I'd like to put some of the responsibilities on software developers (at least the big ones) for so quickly giving up on everything except CUDA and then Optix, and basically handing the market to a single company, I understand that they need to put their resources where it matters most.
But that is why I'm especially happy that Apple joined team Blender and contribute manpower to optimise things there.
How so? I mean, how would it send a negative message? They'd only be making it for like 100 of us and the aesthetics LOL.
That said, this is an extremely good point, and a very strong argument for a spring announcement.The problem with WWDC is that it seems like Apple are going to be stepping on their own toes if they release a ridiculously expensive computer aimed at pros and enthusiasts at the same time as a ridiculously expensive VR headset aimed at pros and enthusiasts.
Then again they did that with the Pro Display XDR and 7.1 so who knows, maybe the 8.1 and the VR headset will match.
LMFAO LOL This video was a lot lololol. I mean, they didn't really need to put that artist's life on the line to get their point across...they're already grossly underpaid, now they gotta render or die? LOLI reckon WWDC is most likely (see 2006, 2013, 2019…), unless it's actually ready to go in spring, even just a sneak peek. As for launching the MP and the headset together, the former would be the development platform for the latter, so not that crazy to show them both at once.
That HP's a bit nice…the video for it's a bit crazy
Given Apple's "offer you can't refuse" to Nvidia was essentially "knife CUDA and concentrate on OpenCL", which would have made them effectively an anonymous, and generic parts supplier to Apple, I'm sure they're sitting around their boardroom tables giggling their asses off at how AMD has been shafted in the AS move, in between throwing moneyballs at each other.
Meanwhile they're secure in the knowledge that people using Nvidia GPUs in their machines are Nvidia customers, not HP, Lenovo, Puget etc.
Not familiar with that. What was the exact offer and is there a reference of sorts?
One can reasonably assume the parachutes were not dependent on the render completing…