At this stage, based on the speculations, leaks, rumours, fantasy boils (err builds. No offence @Boil
), the head spins.In my mind I imagine a Frankenstein Mac Pro. 😄😄😀🤣😂
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), the head spins.In my mind I imagine a Frankenstein Mac Pro. 😄😄😀🤣😂
This is to me one of the most telling hints that there will be no third party gpus coming. Apple has been showcasing Octane X in many releases now( m2 iPad, M2Max MBP) and it has alos been very very clear on the otoy/octane forums that there is no hints at all for supporting AMD going forward since the tweaks they did for M* is not easily portable.
Only Redshift support AMD and ASi metal on Mac. Not very good either so there was actually a very serious post on the Redshift forums recently where Maxon/redshift announced that they acknowledge that RS on Mac is not up to par and that they work together with Apple to fix things but that they needed more user feedback.
It seems to me that a "ultra" clocked high, will be decent system that compete with consumer grade HW like intel 13900 and gpus in the 3070-4070 class. Fully specced out in the 5000$ range.
An "extreme/quadra" would be in the XEON, thread ripper territory when it comes to CPU and in the "single high end GPU class" when it comes to GPU.
These system would be good as a first step and satisfy many.
But no earth shattering systems that will entice PC -user to switch.
For that, there must be something more. Like:
1. "dual extreme" level CPU, still with class leading single thread perf.
2. "Massive" GPU core count still with immense unified RAM/VRAM
Personally, I will be "ok" with just a quad m2 system for what I do and would consider a m2ultra as well but would very much prefer "small" performance to still be housed in a "small enclosure" (that is , the studio case)
the dual extreme or super massive GPU will probably be out of my financial reach anyway.
m2 ultra studio binned: 3999
m2 ultra studio "reasonably full": 5999$
m2 ultra MP, overclocked, binned, 5999$
m2 ultra MP, "reasonably full": 7999$
m2 extreme MP, binned, 9999$
m2 extreme MP, "reasonably full", 12999$
m2 turboquadzilla: 24999$
m2 insaneworldeater : 49999$
X1 universeimploder: 999999$
ok....back to work...
If this thing included everything we all wanted it to be it would walk and talk and definitely be a bit terrifying lolololAt this stage, based on the speculations, leaks, rumours, fantasy boils (err builds. No offence @Boil
In my mind I imagine a Frankenstein Mac Pro. 😄😄😀🤣😂
You're not wrong. And that scares me...the ONLY thing I'm currently holding out hope for...is these new "modules" that were discovered in the iOS update code...if it turns out that we are able to add GPU CARDS that allow for expanding GPU power to something crazy, even if the cost ends up around $50k - $60k range...if it has the balls to expand to something competitive with the AMD 7000 series minimum, I would actually purchase that in a heartbeat. That's the Frankenstein that I'm actually searching for.
Let's see where this goes
Have a great day at work my friend.
Well interesting...can't share my source, but I'm hearing they're definitely using the current Mac Pro chassis and not only that, apparently what I've said since the beginning of the thread is correct! They have a completely new thing going on with it. Won't be m2 or m3. This dude could be wrong, but he's been right on literally everything (except the colors of the M1 iMacs and he also said there was a new iMac Pro coming which obviously never did) since I started talking with him like 5 years ago.
His track record has me hype but it may still turn out wrong but man now I'm actually starting to have a little hope!
His track record has me hype but it may still turn out wrong but man now I'm actually starting to have a little hope!
Won't be long now...either we find out in the next few weeks or we find out in a few months but I'm excited now!
All of the speculating we've done...it made me sad and negative about Apple...I really needed to hear some good news, even if it doesn't turn out to be. I realized how much I really do love this company. My emotional attachment is deep, and how I feel by them is easily swayed...because the people that you love the most, can hurt you the most
Won't be long now...either we find out in the next few weeks or we find out in a few months but I'm excited now!
All of the speculating we've done...it made me sad and negative about Apple...I really needed to hear some good news, even if it doesn't turn out to be. I realized how much I really do love this company. My emotional attachment is deep, and how I feel by them is easily swayed...because the people that you love the most, can hurt you the most
Your post today came at a good time. Apple listed a bunch of Studios on the Refurb site and I was having a real debate with myself.
Rational Me: "You know, that Studio is all you really need and you can have it, at a good price, tomorrow!
Real Me: "Yeah, but I'm a pro and I want the new Mac Pro!"
Rational Me: "You're a semi-pro at best."
Real Me: "That's not very nice, besides I'll feel stupid plunking down thousands on a Studio when Apple announces, in just days, the expandable 8,1 with insane performance at a reasonable price."
Rational Me: "Wow, that's a hat trick of wishful thinking."
Real Me: "No, it could really happen, well maybe not the reasonable price part."
That's what has been keeping me from taking the plunge for a Studio Ultra.
Exactly. This rings true for many people who have used Apple products for years. My first computer was an Apple //e that I still have and it still works. I remember the low points of the mid 90’s. I remember using the B&W Power Mac G3 and the G4’s in college. I bled my G5 Power Mac dry. I skipped the trash can. I badly wanted a 2019 Mac Pro, but I couldn’t afford it when it came out and it isn’t a good value for me now so in 2023. I don’t think Apple would throw away their recent PR efforts over the last few years with the pro workflows team just make a sub-par product that is unaffordable and doesn’t go substantially above and beyond what the Mac Studio is capable of. If the about face that happened regarding 14” and 16” Macbook Pros is any indication, I think we should expect great things from the next Mac Pro.Won't be long now...either we find out in the next few weeks or we find out in a few months but I'm excited now!
All of the speculating we've done...it made me sad and negative about Apple...I really needed to hear some good news, even if it doesn't turn out to be. I realized how much I really do love this company. My emotional attachment is deep, and how I feel by them is easily swayed...because the people that you love the most, can hurt you the most
I think many people are disheartened by the rumors from Mark Gurman, but I don’t put any stock in what he says. Every since he started writing for Bloomberg, his accuracy has diminished. If I am wrong, and the thing sucks major AC/DC BIG BALLS, the pros will let Apple know in no uncertain terms.
...even when that people is the most valuable company on earth LOL
Fam trust me, I'm every day creeping closer and closer to hitting the buy button on Puget's website LOL, so it came at the right time for me as well lololol.Your post today came at a good time. Apple listed a bunch of Studios on the Refurb site and I was having a real debate with myself.
Rational Me: "You know, that Studio is all you really need and you can have it, at a good price, tomorrow!
Real Me: "Yeah, but I'm a pro and I want the new Mac Pro!"
Rational Me: "You're a semi-pro at best."
Real Me: "That's not very nice, besides I'll feel stupid plunking down thousands on a Studio when Apple announces, in just days, the expandable 8,1 with insane performance at a reasonable price."
Rational Me: "Wow, that's a hat trick of wishful thinking."
Real Me: "No, it could really happen, well maybe not the reasonable price part."
And of course, Apple knows this...This is the EXACT reason I think we are freaking out for nothing LOLOL.
Very true. His accuracy definitely dropped, and I hope he continues to be wrong when it comes to the Mac Pro lolol.
You know what's most interesting?
I had no idea that this happened, but apparently, back in 2020, someone found some code (drivers?) referencing Navi 31 (RDNA 3) in a Big Sur beta, alongside the code/drivers for the RX6000 series (Navi 21).
SOURCE 1
SOURCE 2
SOURCE 3
I've been scouring the net to see if there has been any update on that, but sadly there hasn't. I even found some hackintosh guys that tried getting a 7900xt to work on Monterey, but even with spoofing it didn't work -- Granted, he COULD technically use it, but without HA, which means it didn't work.
So.... It feels like perhaps apple intended to support RDNA 3, and then they would start to transition to AS, but something must have happened to accelerate that push? I find it quite odd....
Although, if you take into consideration -- with RDNA 2, it took apple 175 days to bring those Navi21 drivers to macOS, which means we could potentially still see drivers for RDNA 3 by April 27, 2023 in 13.3 (which would have made it 175 days after the 7900XT was launched). However, I know that's a pipedream, especially since there is no Radeon Pro W7900X MPX module (unless if this is what they are planning on releasing within the 8,1?)
Another interesting read from back in 2020:
SOURCE
^the above can be found through many other sources as well. But there you have it folks -- straight from the horse's mouth.
I will continue to keep my hope that the 8,1 is the last x86/Intel Mac Pro, utilizing the extraordinary engineered 7,1 chassis and giving us 7,1 owners continued support while in the meantime apple works hard on getting AS truly up to par with their competitors... then in ~3-4 years time, they release the real AS Mac Pro running on 2 or maybe even 1nm, and it blows us all away.
Oh yeah, and then shortly after Tim Cook announces his resignation 😈 and we get another CEO that is similar to Steve Jobs.... Or at least someone who can actually innovate, and not let all the cash reserves go to waste.
I had no idea that this happened, but apparently, back in 2020, someone found some code (drivers?) referencing Navi 31 (RDNA 3) in a Big Sur beta, alongside the code/drivers for the RX6000 series (Navi 21).
SOURCE 1
SOURCE 2
SOURCE 3
I've been scouring the net to see if there has been any update on that, but sadly there hasn't. I even found some hackintosh guys that tried getting a 7900xt to work on Monterey, but even with spoofing it didn't work -- Granted, he COULD technically use it, but without HA, which means it didn't work.
So.... It feels like perhaps apple intended to support RDNA 3, and then they would start to transition to AS, but something must have happened to accelerate that push? I find it quite odd....
Although, if you take into consideration -- with RDNA 2, it took apple 175 days to bring those Navi21 drivers to macOS, which means we could potentially still see drivers for RDNA 3 by April 27, 2023 in 13.3 (which would have made it 175 days after the 7900XT was launched). However, I know that's a pipedream, especially since there is no Radeon Pro W7900X MPX module (unless if this is what they are planning on releasing within the 8,1?)
Another interesting read from back in 2020:
Tim Cook said:
SOURCE
^the above can be found through many other sources as well. But there you have it folks -- straight from the horse's mouth.
I will continue to keep my hope that the 8,1 is the last x86/Intel Mac Pro, utilizing the extraordinary engineered 7,1 chassis and giving us 7,1 owners continued support while in the meantime apple works hard on getting AS truly up to par with their competitors... then in ~3-4 years time, they release the real AS Mac Pro running on 2 or maybe even 1nm, and it blows us all away.
Oh yeah, and then shortly after Tim Cook announces his resignation 😈 and we get another CEO that is similar to Steve Jobs.... Or at least someone who can actually innovate, and not let all the cash reserves go to waste.
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I really love hearing how many of you that also have this emotional attachment to Apple. Even if it is not really the same company anymore there is still a kernel of that “old magic”. Marketing is to distanced and polished but some of the people seems genuine
In my teens and twenties during the 90s I dreamt of having my own studio, stacked with beautiful furniture and powerful macs. Large screens, scanners, tables for creative analogue work etc. but in time I became more of a programmer and researcher so the environments where usually more lab like and mostly filled with unix machines or PCs. (We actually had access to a few high end SGI machines until that also got replaced with ugly pc-clusters)
I always personally had Mac laptop though and when Apple switched to Intel there was a golden era where suddenly even former apple-bashers started usings macs. The combo of true Unix with nice UI and the same power as the competition made these era macs really outstanding.
I was just about to jump in and get a Mac Pro for my personal needs in 2010 but started the waiting game…. Now it is 2023 and I am still waiting. 😂 Funnily enough, I recently sold a company and am reinventing my future, maybe it is finally time to make that old “studio dream” a reality? Maybe everything will be just as it was supposed hehe. I just can’t stand ugly machines so it disgusts me to work with PCs even if the “rational” self has forced the “artiste” in me to bow down and just do the work. Hehe, sometimes the threads feels most like therapy…. But my therapist would never understand things like this
In my teens and twenties during the 90s I dreamt of having my own studio, stacked with beautiful furniture and powerful macs. Large screens, scanners, tables for creative analogue work etc. but in time I became more of a programmer and researcher so the environments where usually more lab like and mostly filled with unix machines or PCs. (We actually had access to a few high end SGI machines until that also got replaced with ugly pc-clusters)
I always personally had Mac laptop though and when Apple switched to Intel there was a golden era where suddenly even former apple-bashers started usings macs. The combo of true Unix with nice UI and the same power as the competition made these era macs really outstanding.
I was just about to jump in and get a Mac Pro for my personal needs in 2010 but started the waiting game…. Now it is 2023 and I am still waiting. 😂 Funnily enough, I recently sold a company and am reinventing my future, maybe it is finally time to make that old “studio dream” a reality? Maybe everything will be just as it was supposed hehe. I just can’t stand ugly machines so it disgusts me to work with PCs even if the “rational” self has forced the “artiste” in me to bow down and just do the work. Hehe, sometimes the threads feels most like therapy…. But my therapist would never understand things like this
The developer documentation for Apple Books was just the documentation for iBooks, with a text sting search & replace of iBooks with Apple Books, so I wouldn't rule out it being there because of a typo in an automation script
Hey, this could be it!
Ah, jeez. It's the fecking yellow phone.
Ah, jeez. It's the fecking yellow phone.
This all looks and sounds and FEELS right! My source never said it's apple silicon coming up. He simply said using the same chassis and something entirely different than the m series chips we've seen so far. Perhaps he meant Intel one last time! I have no idea, couldn't get anything else out of him. But one thing is certain and this part is important...I'm EXCITED again!You know what's most interesting?
I had no idea that this happened, but apparently, back in 2020, someone found some code (drivers?) referencing Navi 31 (RDNA 3) in a Big Sur beta, alongside the code/drivers for the RX6000 series (Navi 21).
SOURCE 1
SOURCE 2
SOURCE 3
I've been scouring the net to see if there has been any update on that, but sadly there hasn't. I even found some hackintosh guys that tried getting a 7900xt to work on Monterey, but even with spoofing it didn't work -- Granted, he COULD technically use it, but without HA, which means it didn't work.
So.... It feels like perhaps apple intended to support RDNA 3, and then they would start to transition to AS, but something must have happened to accelerate that push? I find it quite odd....
Although, if you take into consideration -- with RDNA 2, it took apple 175 days to bring those Navi21 drivers to macOS, which means we could potentially still see drivers for RDNA 3 by April 27, 2023 in 13.3 (which would have made it 175 days after the 7900XT was launched). However, I know that's a pipedream, especially since there is no Radeon Pro W7900X MPX module (unless if this is what they are planning on releasing within the 8,1?)
Another interesting read from back in 2020:
SOURCE
^the above can be found through many other sources as well. But there you have it folks -- straight from the horse's mouth.
I will continue to keep my hope that the 8,1 is the last x86/Intel Mac Pro, utilizing the extraordinary engineered 7,1 chassis and giving us 7,1 owners continued support while in the meantime apple works hard on getting AS truly up to par with their competitors... then in ~3-4 years time, they release the real AS Mac Pro running on 2 or maybe even 1nm, and it blows us all away.
Oh yeah, and then shortly after Tim Cook announces his resignation 😈 and we get another CEO that is similar to Steve Jobs.... Or at least someone who can actually innovate, and not let all the cash reserves go to waste.
I'll be honest...I feel like it's definitely time for you to start up that studio
Y'all are delusional thinking we are going to get one more Intel refresh for the Mac Pro...
The snippets found in 2020 were probably there when Apple was considering an Ice Lake Xeon update, but we all know how that turned out...
The snippets found in 2020 were probably there when Apple was considering an Ice Lake Xeon update, but we all know how that turned out...
You know what's most interesting?
I had no idea that this happened, but apparently, back in 2020, someone found some code (drivers?) referencing Navi 31 (RDNA 3) in a Big Sur beta, alongside the code/drivers for the RX6000 series (Navi 21).
SOURCE 1
SOURCE 2
SOURCE 3
I've been scouring the net to see if there has been any update on that, but sadly there hasn't. I even found some hackintosh guys that tried getting a 7900xt to work on Monterey, but even with spoofing it didn't work -- Granted, he COULD technically use it, but without HA, which means it didn't work.
So.... It feels like perhaps apple intended to support RDNA 3, and then they would start to transition to AS, but something must have happened to accelerate that push? I find it quite odd....
It is not clear there is an intention here. A couple of reality checks.
1. Apple isn't the primary source for low level AMD driver definitions. AMD plays a large role in getting AMD GPU drivers running on macOS. Fragments from AMD's other platform development paths can 'leak' into the macOS driver headers.
2. 'source 2's title ends in "..expected late 2021". There was no Navi31 launch in late 2021; on any platform (let alone macOS). The article then goes on to mention Navi21 by that wasn't released until August 2021
Apple Introduces New High-End Graphics Options for Mac Pro
Apple today began offering new high-end graphics upgrade options for both the tower and rack versions of the Mac Pro desktop computer. This comes on...
www.macrumors.com
( AMD did announce the 6800/6900 series in 2020 along with the arrival of Big Sur (Fall 2020), but no finished Mac drivers showed up for almost a year. Oct 2020
The likelihood that Navi31 would follow months after the delayed Navi21 arrived is pretty slim. Even the AMD roadmap chart in that article pragmatically places Navi31 in 2022 ; not 2021.
What likely happened is that references to Navi21 is what Apple might have been working on. And the Navi31 probably is just entangled in a header file. ( so the variable is defined but never used. Doesn't really hurt to have a 'stub' so that no one else defines a variable that will be pragmatically reserved alter. ). The 'header file' (.h) doesn't really define substantive code; just what some global variable and function definitions look like. The 'do the work' code is in a (.c/.cc/etc ) file is far more likely different between macOS and other platforms than the header file.
In 2020, Apple had not even launched a Navi21 yet let alone a Navi31. The only thing that fit a "Expected by late 2021" was Navi21 not Navi31. There may have been a "Plan B" or "Plan C" intention in putting Navi31 that wouldn't ship for a couple of years in there
3. Back in 2020 AMDs drivers were a bit of entangled hot mess. There have been mentions of 'Van Gough' in the macOS AMD drivers. ( eventually appeared in the Steam Deck console and never used by Apple).
When RDNA3 ( Navi31 ) did launch in 2022, it has a separate driver bundle than the RDNA2 one on mainstream Windows driver path.
AMD, Intel and Nvidia GPU Driver Sizes Compared: Feature Creep
Bloated drivers can't be good for performance
And only relatively recently unified them.
AMD Releases Long Overdue Unified Driver for Radeon 7000/6000 GPUs
Reunited, with tons of performance uplifts and new features
If that driver stack was had high decoupling, better cohesion, and functional decomposition that wouldn't have been necessary to deal with the architectural changes (and the associated new bugs that surfaced ) that RNDA3 brought.
If Navi31 had been a modest evolutionary change in the driver model that would have been more tractable for Apple and AMD to do on a tight budget. The big potholes that AMD hit with even the Windows driver suggest that it would not be cheap or an easy path.
This is all a bit circular. The Intel 8,1 exists so therefore the Navi31 exist. There is no good sigh the Intel 8,1 exists. If going by "hints from random R&D strings in the code" the next Intel Mac Pro would have been "Ice Lake" ( W-3300 ). That is a relatively proven dead end. For single user workstations that was largely a bust. ( runs hotter and no single thread uplift). Navi31 runs hotter (consumes more power) also (not particularly the direction Apple is going).
This too is very likely a pipe dream. He said Intel Macs. Apple has probably shipped over several 100K iMac 5K 2020 units after Cook made that statement. Those Macs are just as plural as Cook's "Macs".
If Intel had not screwed up the W-3300. ( if it has performed more like the W-2400 does, but shipped in early 2021 ), then maybe would have gotten another Intel Mac Pro. (and perhaps another intel iMac Pro). But it did not. It appears the Apple effort for a "M1 generation" Mac Pro SoC also was a misfire , but Intel's screw up was effectively worse. ( won't be hard looking at them screwing up in 2020 and not make a sound inference that it would not be until 2023, or later, until they got back on track. Which is simply just too little , too late.)
In 2023 ( i.e.,after the "about two years" deadline), the odds are very slim that anything that Cook was referring too in that "Intel Macs" statement would highly conflict with what had just said about the product line transition.
The 'Saint Steve' revisionist history is kind of delusional. Jobs green-lit all the major Apple Silicon foundational work. ( Intel pitched using x86 for the iPad and Jobs pragmatically laughed in their face and doubled down on Apple designed stuff). Do you really think Jobs would have sat around happy and content as Intel fab abilities drove off into the swamp? Really good chance Jobs would have just spent more money to leave Intel in 2019 instead of waiting until 2020. Jobs would be more likely to the more risky move to dump Intel faster than Cook did. And when new Macs came out the old version "Steve'd" rapidly. The 2012 MPB 13" lingering for 2-3 years afterwards probably wouln't have happened with Jobs in charge.
[ The developer transition kit in 2020 was an A12Z which is really an A12X die with a 'spare' GPU core turned on. The A12X die dates from 2018. Apple could have made that same kit a year earlier if the software was ready. The M1 on TSMC N7P or N6 would have not run as well as N5 but it would have been viable ( especially on the laptops). ]
With Cook, it is more likely to get a 4-6 year transition off of macOS on Intel, because he generally doesn't kill 'old' Mac products as quickly as Jobs generally did. Jobs would have told end users to 'suck it up and move to the future'.
There was a large gulf between 2010 and 2013 Mac Pro because Jobs didn't start anything in 2009-2010 to fill anything in 2012. In 2012 the Mac Pro was withdrawn from sale in EU because it was just that out of compliance with a 4 year previous passed regulation. That law passed on Jobs' watch; not Cook's.
Jobs didn't think the x86 and Intel products were "insanely great". It was purely a matter of convenience; cheaper costs through shared R&D while that platform 'happened to work better than others". Once Apple had their own extreme broad base to distribute shared costs over and Intel wasn't delivering on schedule, Jobs would have likely dumped them like an old dish rag.
P.S. Same with Nvidia. The BS that they threw at Apple... Jobs would have cut them off even quicker. Jobs didn't tolerate BS well.
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That doesn't mean getting a non M-series SoC. Just an SoC package have not seen so far. That was equally true in the M1 period when the M1 Pro/Max cam along. Again true when the M1 Pro/Max were out and the Ultra came along.
The M2/M3 Ultra doesn't have to look exactly like the M1 version. (e.g., if added a chiplet to provision two x16 PCI-e v4 clusters. the picture of the SoC would not look the same.... i.e. not seen before).
If Apple is going to responsibly provision the backhaul for 6 (or 8) PCI-e slots then they would have to do something different than the previous SoC which at best got you eight x1 PCI-e v4 lanes (usually just four ). [ i.e., 1/4 of what the Mac Pro 2019 has for backhaul, but extremely balkanized. ]
As for using the exact same enclosure case .... M1 MBA .. same box ... M1 Mini ... same box ... M1 and M2 MBP 13" same box ... That isn't really indicative of Intel anything.
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A bit of a different take on "new Intel Macs coming" ...
If don't look at the Intel chip or main logic board. The current Mac Pro 2019 model specs do not match the launch GPUs at all.
December 9th 2019 (just before release ).
580X
Pro Vega II
Pro Vega II Duo
( at launch Apple listed a W5700 but was not until 2020 that could actually buy one )
Now
W5500X
W6600X
W5700X
W6800X
W6800X Duo
W6900X
Can point that isn't an Intel chip different. However, the Intel Macs are the only ones that can run those. For last approximately 3 years there are no 3rd GPU drivers for M-series. It doesn't have a new model number but a 580X MP and W6800X Duo really aren't close to the 'same product to be unexcited about' in the GPU compute space.
The thousands of those post mid-2021 Mac Pro units sold are also "new Intel Macs" and just as plural as Cook's statement.
Which was a very decent "Plan C" if both Apple and Intel couldn't get a new Mac Pro SoC out by 2022 and still tracks with Cook's general statement.
Pretty good chance that the revised GPU line up in 2022 pragmatically is the "Intel 8,1" (only the model number didn't change ... Similar to how the model number didn't really change in 2012 . And yet Apple tagged the 2012 as a "new Mac". ).
If don't look at the Intel chip or main logic board. The current Mac Pro 2019 model specs do not match the launch GPUs at all.
December 9th 2019 (just before release ).
Mac Pro - Technical Specifications
See the tech specs for the new Mac Pro including processor, memory, graphics and Afterburner.
web.archive.org
580X
Pro Vega II
Pro Vega II Duo
( at launch Apple listed a W5700 but was not until 2020 that could actually buy one )
Now
Mac Pro - Technical Specifications
See all the technical specifications for Mac Pro with the M2 Ultra chip.
www.apple.com
W6600X
W5700X
W6800X
W6800X Duo
W6900X
Can point that isn't an Intel chip different. However, the Intel Macs are the only ones that can run those. For last approximately 3 years there are no 3rd GPU drivers for M-series. It doesn't have a new model number but a 580X MP and W6800X Duo really aren't close to the 'same product to be unexcited about' in the GPU compute space.
The thousands of those post mid-2021 Mac Pro units sold are also "new Intel Macs" and just as plural as Cook's statement.
Which was a very decent "Plan C" if both Apple and Intel couldn't get a new Mac Pro SoC out by 2022 and still tracks with Cook's general statement.
Pretty good chance that the revised GPU line up in 2022 pragmatically is the "Intel 8,1" (only the model number didn't change ... Similar to how the model number didn't really change in 2012 . And yet Apple tagged the 2012 as a "new Mac". ).
Then let us enjoy our delusion. Besides we aren't saying that's what's going to happen. We are all just in agreement that it should and it would be nice if it did. And Apple said it, so they reserve the right to follow through.
'not saying it is going to happen' coupled to "And Apple said it, so they reserve the right to follow through" is basically a tautology. Claiming something is true and not true at the same time. " We are just having fun making up things that Apple might do and say" and "Apple actually said xxx is going to do yyy"
Delusion behavior is usually quite problematical in running a business in the real work or doing useful long term planning. It doesn't generally lead to clearer communications and realistic expectation settings.
Apple has already delivered on new Intel Macs that didn't exist in public in June 2020 being shipped later. They have followed through. It has already happened, so not particularly reserved. Nor did they say they wanted to take longer than 2022 to get things done.
If want to create an alternative universe about what Apple would do if you ran Mac Pro product development that is fine. But attributed the made up one to what Apple is actually saying is a problem.