MP All Models Mac Pro CPU Compatibility List

[Snow Tiger]

Here's an updated grab after idle
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I've attached wifi and bluetooth info. Thanks again for your guidance.

Your thermals look good for idle , with factory SMC fan rotationals . Looks like your CPU heatsinks were properly re-installed .

We should also do this while your Mac has all it CPU cores and memory at full load / usage . Run this for three minutes , take a screen grab of the thermals while you do this and terminate the operation after three minutes ( go to idle ) . I want to check thermals to see if something is dangerously wrong . This is just a safety protocol . Then , we'll run your Mac's CPU cores and memory at 100 percent load /usage for a whole hour and check the results . If you don't know how to do this stress test , ask please .

Now , let's tackle your wireless issues . I need verifiable data sources for this .

Please obtain the RSSI and Noise figures by wirelessly connecting to your preferred access point and press the option key while left clicking with your mouse on the wireless signal strength icon on the menu bar of your macOS desktop . Take a screenshot of this drop down window . It'll be easier if you use a 5 second delay on the snap . You can block out the personally identifiable info , but I need the RSSI , Noise , TX Rate and PHY Mode info . I'd like to know how close you are to your AP , too .

For the Bluetooth , please run Bluetooth Explorer and we'll take it from there .

Once we're done with that , we'll rebuild the Northbridge . Which is tricky and even most techs never touched it , so you'll have bragging rights over the pros . If it goes right

 

[dorianclive]

Your thermals look good for idle , with factory SMC fan rotationals . Looks like your CPU heatsinks were properly re-installed .

We should also do this while your Mac has all it CPU cores and memory at full load / usage . Run this for three minutes , take a screen grab of the thermals while you do this and terminate the operation after three minutes ( go to idle ) . I want to check thermals to see if something is dangerously wrong . This is just a safety protocol . Then , we'll run your Mac's CPU cores and memory at 100 percent load /usage for a whole hour and check the results . If you don't know how to do this stress test , ask please .

Now , let's tackle your wireless issues . I need verifiable data sources for this .

Please obtain the RSSI and Noise figures by wirelessly connecting to your preferred access point and press the option key while left clicking with your mouse on the wireless signal strength icon on the menu bar of your macOS desktop . Take a screenshot of this drop down window . It'll be easier if you use a 5 second delay on the snap . You can block out the personally identifiable info , but I need the RSSI , Noise , TX Rate and PHY Mode info . I'd like to know how close you are to your AP , too .

For the Bluetooth , please run Bluetooth Explorer and we'll take it from there .

Once we're done with that , we'll rebuild the Northbridge . Which is tricky and even most techs never touched it , so you'll have bragging rights over the pros . If it goes right

I don't know how to do a stress test. Can you explain how?

I'm only having issues with my Bluetooth. Sorry if I wasn't clear earlier. My WiFi is a non-issue and it's hardwired to the internet. Going to run explorer and get back to you.

 

[Snow Tiger]

I don't know how to do a stress test. Can you explain how?

I'm only having issues with my Bluetooth. Sorry if I wasn't clear earlier. My WiFi is a non-issue and it's hardwired to the internet. Going to run explorer and get back to you.

I just PM you .

 

[Superlead]

If i may ask a question , as i plan to upgrade both my 2009 4,1 ( i will update to 5,1 ) 2x 2,66 8 core and my 2010 5,1 2x 2,4 8 core MaC Pro with the 2x 3,46 12 core processor and i read in different threads that these processors increase the heat in the computer due to its 130 W and makes the fans noisier .
Is Mac Fan Control soft the best way to control that and is it enough or is there something else possible to do ?

I suppose Mac Fan Control only controls the speed of the Fans ( correct me if i am wrong ) to deal with the heat , but what about the noise ?

Is it worth trying to replace the fans ( if possible easily ) for some more efficient ones ( if a model exist for those Mac pro ) ?

I wanted to order some processors upgrade kits but i read it could be not that easy to do for someone who never done it , as some processors are " encapsulated " ( in the 4,1 ?) .
I found a shop in Paris which is used to do those upgrades , so might ask them and they told me there is no problem of heat with those 2x 3,46 12 core processors in those Mac pro , so i don't know what to think !

Sorry i did not have the time yet to read the 36 pages of that topic and all the other topics which might speak about that possible heat problems ( the ones i read spoke about it but did not give any infos to deal with it !) .

 

[h9826790]

If i may ask a question , as i plan to upgrade both my 2009 4,1 ( i will update to 5,1 ) 2x 2,66 8 core and my 2010 5,1 2x 2,4 8 core MaC Pro with the 2x 3,46 12 core processor and i read in different threads that these processors increase the heat in the computer due to its 130 W and makes the fans noisier .
Is Mac Fan Control soft the best way to control that and is it enough or is there something else possible to do ?

I suppose Mac Fan Control only controls the speed of the Fans ( correct me if i am wrong ) to deal with the heat , but what about the noise ?

Is it worth trying to replace the fans ( if possible easily ) for some more efficient ones ( if a model exist for those Mac pro ) ?

I wanted to order some processors upgrade kits but i read it could be not that easy to do for someone who never done it , as some processors are " encapsulated " ( in the 4,1 ?) .
I found a shop in Paris which is used to do those upgrades , so might ask them and they told me there is no problem of heat with those 2x 3,46 12 core processors in those Mac pro , so i don't know what to think !

Sorry i did not have the time yet to read the 36 pages of that topic and all the other topics which might speak about that possible heat problems ( the ones i read spoke about it but did not give any infos to deal with it !) .

Of course MFC can only control the fan speed, but not change the fan noise at particular speed.

There is no fan upgrade for cMP, but you can mod it by yourself.

Noctua NF-A12x25 PSU fan for 4,1 & 5,1 cMP

Intake / exhaust done : 1585423558 Finally got the PSU out that took work, as the bottom two screws were hard to access. Ended up using a bike tool for the last two.

forums.macrumors.com

 

[Superlead]

Of course MFC can only control the fan speed, but not change the fan noise at particular speed.

There is no fan upgrade for cMP, but you can mod it by yourself.

Noctua NF-A12x25 PSU fan for 4,1 & 5,1 cMP

Intake / exhaust done : 1585423558 Finally got the PSU out that took work, as the bottom two screws were hard to access. Ended up using a bike tool for the last two.

forums.macrumors.com

Thanks, i will read that .

Is that true what that shop in Paris specialised in upgrading Mac Pros processors tells me , that there is no heat problem in those Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1 when upgrading their processors with those 2x3,46 12 core X5690 processors ?

And are the fans much noisier ?

 

[tommy chen]

@Superlead

for your 5,1

2x Intel Xeon X5690 3,46 GHz Six Core Prozessor CPU Matched Pair Mac Pro 5,1 | eBay

2x Intel Xeon X5690 3,46 GHz Six Core Prozessor CPU Matched Pair Mac Pro 5,1 | Computer, Tablets & Netzwerk, Computer-Komponenten & -Teile, CPUs/Prozessoren | eBay!

www.ebay.at

for your 4,1

2x Intel Xeon X5690 3,46 GHz no ohne IHS lidless Matched Pair f Mac Pro 4,1 2009 675901057806 | eBay

Speicher (SO-DIMMs). Speicher (DIMMs). Apple Speicher. 2x Xeon X5690 ohne IHS 3.46Ghz Matched Pair. Ihre Vorteile bei Installation von CPU´s ohne IHS - Kein Höhenunterschied zwischen neuen und alten CPU´s.

www.ebay.de

I can recommend georg mihatsch shop in europe!

also for samsung memory

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[Superlead]

@Superlead

for your 5,1

2x Intel Xeon X5690 3,46 GHz Six Core Prozessor CPU Matched Pair Mac Pro 5,1 | eBay

2x Intel Xeon X5690 3,46 GHz Six Core Prozessor CPU Matched Pair Mac Pro 5,1 | Computer, Tablets & Netzwerk, Computer-Komponenten & -Teile, CPUs/Prozessoren | eBay!

www.ebay.at

for your 4,1

2x Intel Xeon X5690 3,46 GHz no ohne IHS lidless Matched Pair f Mac Pro 4,1 2009 675901057806 | eBay

Speicher (SO-DIMMs). Speicher (DIMMs). Apple Speicher. 2x Xeon X5690 ohne IHS 3.46Ghz Matched Pair. Ihre Vorteile bei Installation von CPU´s ohne IHS - Kein Höhenunterschied zwischen neuen und alten CPU´s.

www.ebay.de

I can recommend georg mihatsch shop in europe!

also for samsung memory

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Thanks.
Maybe that is the person on ebay , in Germany , i contacted to ask him a question about the processors upgrade with CPU board/tray switch ( for plug and play ) he proposes , he seems nice.
But i also found just after i contacted him , a shop which seems to do more or less the same here in Paris , just 5 to 10 km from my home , so i thought it might be easier to ask them ( although not done yet ) , especialy if something goes wrong or if i need help for something .

 

[h9826790]

there is no heat problem in those Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1 when upgrading their processors with those 2x3,46 12 core X5690 processors ?

And are the fans much noisier ?

No heat problem.

Fan noise is very personal. Because noise isn’t just the dB, the pitch (or sometimes the beat frequency) can make huge difference. But so far, there is no report like “fan noise like a jet engine after CPU upgrade”. And interestingly, sometimes you manually spin up the fan for another 1-200 RPM may change the pitch (or stop the beat frequency), and make it less annoying.

 

[Null pointer exception]

Just an update for anyone trying to upgrade.

Buyed a 2010 Mac Pro and upgraded successfully CPU and RAM. This pieces are hard to find here in Brazil, the CPU I buyed from a server part seller, but the RAM I imported from China.

Original	Upgraded
Intel Xeon W3565 (4/8) @ 3.20	Intel Xeon X5675 (6/12) @ 3.06
8GB (2GBx4) 1066 MHz DDR3 ECC SDRAM	16GB (16GBx1) 1333 Mhz DDR3 ECC RDIMM

I use smcFanControl to create profiles on the cooling system. CPU temperature is doing pretty well, even on eventual high CPU loads. The default cooling profile I use is listed bellow, but only with the PSU fan at the lowest RPM possible. The PSU fan it is the most annoying fan in this setup, cannot set it to ~1430 or higher if not using headphones:

Fan location	RPM	Noise level (Unit on the floor)
Exhaust	~ 1430	Low
Intake	~ 1430	Low
PSU	~ 1430	High
PCI	~ 1430	Very low

 

[MisterAndrew]

Okay, so I figured out why Apple or an authorized service provider will not do a simple CPU upgrade on a 6,1. It's because the CPU comes pre-installed on the CPU riser card. There are no official instructions for removing and replacing the CPU on the riser card available to techs. So the only way you could get them to do it is if you paid for the whole new riser card directly from Apple.

 

[3phase23]

Hello,
thanks for this compatibility list.
I plan to upgrade a 5.1 MP..

Questions..anybody knows a trustable source for cpu chips in europe?

AND.. dual cpus... "

• For two CPUs, you must install two "Dual Xeon" processors. You cannot use two i7 or single Xeon processors. "

What are dual xeon processors? And how do you know that you really got "dual xeon " processors?

Only chinese offer "matched pairs".. but.. no pun intendende.. i made a lot of bad experiences with chinese part orders..despite the long delivery times i wonder about the quality of the sold chips. But if anybody has a trustworthy source in china that does fast mailing.. would be nice to know too.

And one other thing..everybody seems to go for the hottest cpus..so the max possible speed possible for the given modell.. I wonder if the increased ram speed and more cores ae not the most essential speed bump..an if a cooler slower cpu is not the better and cheaper choice..

Has anybody tried the E5649 or even L5639 in a mac pro 5.1? Or anybody having an opinion on these cpus for the upgrade purpose?

Thanks for any info..

 

[KeesMacPro]

Here are 2 examples of Ebay sellers that are reliable:

2x Intel Xeon X5680 3,33 GHz Six Core Prozessor CPU Matched Pair Mac Pro 5,1 | eBay

2x Intel Xeon X5680 3,33 GHz Six Core Prozessor CPU Matched Pair Mac Pro 5,1 | Computer, Tablets & Netzwerk, Computer-Komponenten & -Teile, CPUs/Prozessoren | eBay!

www.ebay.nl

Intel Xeon Prozessor X5670, 6 x 2.93 GHz CPU, 12MB, SIX-Core, Sockel 1366 Cpu | eBay

Intel Xeon Prozessor X5670, 6 x 2.93 GHz CPU, 12MB, SIX-Core, Sockel 1366 Cpu | Computer, Tablets & Netzwerk, Computer-Komponenten & -Teile, CPUs/Prozessoren | eBay!

www.ebay.nl

 

[tsialex]

Hello,
thanks for this compatibility list.
I plan to upgrade a 5.1 MP..

Questions..anybody knows a trustable source for cpu chips in europe?

AND.. dual cpus... "

• For two CPUs, you must install two "Dual Xeon" processors. You cannot use two i7 or single Xeon processors. "

What are dual xeon processors? And how do you know that you really got "dual xeon " processors?

Only chinese offer "matched pairs".. but.. no pun intendende.. i made a lot of bad experiences with chinese part orders..despite the long delivery times i wonder about the quality of the sold chips. But if anybody has a trustworthy source in china that does fast mailing.. would be nice to know too.

And one other thing..everybody seems to go for the hottest cpus..so the max possible speed possible for the given modell.. I wonder if the increased ram speed and more cores ae not the most essential speed bump..an if a cooler slower cpu is not the better and cheaper choice..

Has anybody tried the E5649 or even L5639 in a mac pro 5.1? Or anybody having an opinion on these cpus for the upgrade purpose?

Thanks for any info..

Single CPU Xeons are the models that Intel sell with just one enabled QPI link: i7-9xx, W35xx and W36xx. All other socket 1366 Xeons are dual CPU Xeons (E5xxx, L5xxx, X5xxx). The second QPI link is used to communicate with the second processor.

E56xx, L56xx are not widely used since they are costlier, have slower clocks and the majority of the low power models only support up to 1066MHz RAM. Best balance between price, speed and TDP is X5675, not E5649.

E55xx, L55xx, X55xx are Nehalem. E56xx, L56xx, X56xx are Westmere. Buy a Westmere, not a Nehalem. Matched pairs are a sales tactic, just buy two Xeons from the same model and same S-Spec.

 

[mBlomkvist]

I heard from an apple authorized dealer and repair center that the new Mac Pro's are going to have better cpu's by the end of the year? Or upgrade kits that have more options than what apple has on their website. Has anyone else heard this?

I think in the LTT review of the mac pro they mentioned the cpu was an odd choice from apple that it was old or something?

I just ordered a new Mac Pro with the intention of upgrading the cpu later so I'm just trying to see what options I'll have in the future. If I should wait.

Thank you!

 

[tsialex]

I heard from an apple authorized dealer and repair center that the new Mac Pro's are going to have better cpu's by the end of the year? Or upgrade kits that have more options than what apple has on their website. Has anyone else heard this?

I think in the LTT review of the mac pro they mentioned the cpu was an odd choice from apple that it was old or something?

I just ordered a new Mac Pro with the intention of upgrading the cpu later so I'm just trying to see what options I'll have in the future. If I should wait.

Thank you!

Intel announced a replacement socket even before Apple released 2019 Mac Pro. Unless Intel go back and totally change plans, today’s options, see the first post table, are set in stone.

 

[mBlomkvist]

Intel announced a replacement socket even before Apple released 2019 Mac Pro. Unless Intel go back and totally change plans, today’s options, see the first post table, are set in stone.

You're kidding. So apple just put out a computer that they don't update for 7 years at a time... and they decided to go with a socket that is going to be obsolete within it's first year?

 

[tsialex]

You're kidding. So apple just put out a computer that they don't update for 7 years at a time... and they decided to go with a socket that is going to be obsolete within it's first year?

Six years after late 2013 Mac Pro, not seven. Anyway, seems you are not following how Intel has being using the socket dance, no? Intel has being using a socket for one or two generations, at most, for a long time…

Mac Pro 2019 came so late to market that it already got the second generation socket LGA 3647 processors (Cascade Lake, announced April 2019). Intel announced the socket change from LGA 3647 (Skylake & Cascade Lake) to LGA 4189 (Cooper Lake & Ice Lake) some months before 2019 Mac Pro release.

LGA 4189 Xeon processors, Cooper Lake/Ice Lake, are probably ready to be sold by now.

 

[flowrider]

You're kidding. So apple just put out a computer that they don't update for 7 years at a time... and they decided to go with a socket that is going to be obsolete within it's first year?

And even if a CPU fit the socket, it probably wouldn't work unless Apple updated the firmware. Look at The Xeon X5687 CPU. The CPU fits fine in the socket of a cMP 5,1 Mac Pro, but its wont boot that machine. That CPU was released after the 5,1 and Apple never updated the machine to use it.

Lou

 

[eflx]

I'm sure within the next 4/5 years there will be another CPU update available. Usually is from Intel to capture some market for upgrades

 

[tsialex]

I'm sure within the next 4/5 years there will be another CPU update available. Usually is from Intel to capture some market for upgrades

This is just wishful thinking. 4 or 5 years from now, when Intel is already moving to PCIe v5.0, for sure they will re-spin a foundry to produce a then 6+ year old processor to upgrade at best 10K Mac Pros. This makes no financial sense at all. When Intel released top binned processors, what you call for upgrades, they did within 6 months when the foundry processes are it's best and yields make faster clocks possible.

Read the previous posts here, Intel moved to a new socket with 542 more pins to support the new generation of Xeon processors with PCIe v4.0 support months before Apple released 2019 Mac Pro. This was in August, Mac Pro was released in December.

Apple can upgrade Mac Pro processors to faster versions/more memory support/more cores, but will be using the same processors that Intel was making before Mac Pro was released.

 

[macguru9999]

My Power PC 6300 was fitted with a PPC G3 upgrade card that fitted into a PDS (Processor Direct Slot) and kicked in when a System 9 extension loaded. Awesome , like a turbocharger Maybe all these new 2019 Mac Pros could run an ARM card !

 

[tsialex]

Intel released today the first Cooper Lake processors, the processors that use the new socket 4189 (Cooper Lake & Ice Lake) that replaces the 3647 socket (Skylake & Cascade Lake) used by 2019 Mac Pro.

Intel Launches Cooper Lake: 3rd Generation Xeon Scalable for 4P/8P Servers

www.anandtech.com

Later in the year, Intel will release the Ice Lake processors, these can be used by an updated Mac Pro, if Apple ever release it using Intel processors.

 

[plunger]

If I wanted to upgrade my 2 x 6 core CPU's e.g. from X5650 to X5680, do I have to get "a matched pair" X5680's or just 2 of the same model?

 

[flowrider]

^^^^Just two of the same model with the same specs. When I bought my X5677 a few years ago, one of the CPUs turned out to be bad. I returned it and the seller sent a replacement and all was good.

Lou