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Wow again. An impressive accomplishment, considering Mac Pros were first released in 2006. :D

Not half as impressive as the iPhones I sold in the 80s. Customers were pissed. I'm still not sure if it was the uselessness of LTE or the preloaded video of President Obama.
 
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Only the naïve would fail to understand that she could lose her job over the first half dozen things.
Exactly. Their comment, IMO, impugns the poster's credibility and truthfulness. Also, most NDA agreements aren't limited to a termination penalty for the employee; they often stipulate damages and all kinds of ugly stuff that nobody in their right mind would want to risk for posting Apple's secrets on a public forum.

HBM2 in 2017? Seems a stretch ( as other posters have noted ) given Apple's history but a surprise would be welcome.
 
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Apple isn't going to do very much on that list, I'm afraid, though they would love for more people to stop using Windows.

But on the topic of VR, Apple simply must be extremely, albeit very secretly, active. The people there are smart enough to know that VR is one of "the next big things" in computing (a principal other being deep AI, though that will likely be centralized for the time being). Given that, there is no way that they would cede the market to others much less unilaterally support others. They will likely introduce their own headset or be aiming at a better second generation product, to be introduced soon.

The Pro is an ideal core development platform for VR, which is a big reason why it will survive. One could expect a VR production tool for it at some point.

This is also my hunch based on nothing but my gut feeling.

Apple has to know that people need the development hardware to do some of these things. Unity is cross platform game/interactive/VR middleware, but if one wants to create VR, right now one needs a PC to do it.

I was listening to the Daring Fireball podcast where they interviewed a guy from the verge and he talked about how editing the 360 degree footage they got in their interview with Michelle Obama. They are all mac based. He said that footage brought their fastest macs to their knees.

I've never edited 360 degree footage but that sounds frustrating.
 
Exactly. Their comment, IMO, impugns the poster's credibility and truthfulness. Also, most NDA agreements aren't limited to a termination penalty for the employee; they often stipulate damages and all kinds of ugly stuff that nobody in their right mind would want to risk for posting Apple's secrets on a public forum.

HBM2 in 2017? Seems a stretch ( as other posters have noted ) given Apple's history but a surprise would be welcome.

Isn't it funny how he can lay out Apple's roadmap for HBM2 adoption but to reveal the DisplayPort version for the 2016 Tube will risk his job?
 
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I do hope they finally decide to produce a 17" rMBP. I just replaced my trusty late 2008 17" MBP 4,1 with a 15.4" late 2013 rMBP which is a lovely machine but I really miss that extra 1.6". I have it scaled to the maximum space but then the fonts & icons are just that bit too small. A 17" or 18" retina screen would be perfect.

Agreed. It made sense at the time since a high DPI display for a 17" lapzilla would have been crazy expensive if even available. But now a 17" Retina is totally possible.

I have a 2010 MB Lapzilla for use around the house and it still rocks (except for a display driver bug that forces me to always use the GPU. Thanks for fixing that one, Apple.) I've had a few people over who saw it and asked me to "build" them one (internal SSD + HDD). 6 years old and people still prefer them in some situations. I love how it's thick enough to load up with drives.

Sorry to go off on a tangent but as long as we're fantasizing then a 17" Lapzilla seems sorta on topic :p
 
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Updated graphics based on RX-480 variations. Top card is "RX-490" with DDR5X.

If this rumor/leak/troll is to be believed, then this is mostly a leak of AMD's plans, not Apple's. In other words, the difference between RX480 and RX490 would be the use of GDDR5X.

...

Time to segue to mentioning an old joke: There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.

So, building on the joke, what if Polaris 10 & 11 are not two members of the sequence 9, 10, 11, 12, but instead are members of the set 00, 01, 10, and 11? The values 10 and 11 might be the contents of a configuration register read by the software driver.
 
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If this rumor/leak/troll is to be believed, then this is mostly a leak of AMD's plans, not Apple's. In other words, the difference between RX480 and RX490 would be the use of GDDR5X.

...

Time to segue to mentioning an old joke: There are 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary, and those who don't.

So, building on the joke, what if Polaris 10 & 11 are not two members of the sequence 9, 10, 11, 12, but instead are members of the set 00, 01, 10, and 11? The values 10 and 11 might be the contents of a configuration register read by the software driver.
Raja Koduri in an interview with PCPer from I think march/april said that if there will be any new Polaris GPU ti will have higher number than 11.
 
Really? There will be a Polaris ti ?

Will it be Polaris on steroids, and emasculated Vega, or maybe a Fijian-Tongan hybrid?

;)
I suppose, knowing their latest track record, it might be Venus, or Mars Pro ;).
 
I suppose, knowing their latest track record, it might be Venus, or Mars Pro ;).
I couldn't resist having some fun with your typo. "ti" and "Titanium" are so popular for denoting "premium" these days. (My Escape compact SUV is the top-of-line "Titanium" trim model. A bunch of nice stuff in the package, but no more titanium than the base model.)

And I hope that the marketeers at AMD don't name a GPU after the brightest star in the sky - that would be very unfortunate marketing.
 
I couldn't resist having some fun with your typo. "ti" and "Titanium" are so popular for denoting "premium" these days. (My Escape compact SUV is the top-of-line "Titanium" trim model. A bunch of nice stuff in the package, but no more titanium than the base model.)

And I hope that the marketeers at AMD don't name a GPU after the brightest star in the sky - that would be very unfortunate marketing.
I knew that.

Brightest star in the sky is... Sun. Technically. And that would be quite cool name.
 
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I knew that.

Brightest star in the sky is... Sun. Technically. And that would be quite cool name.
Touché ... +1

...the second brightest would be a marketing nightmare.

And I'm pretty sure that Larry Ellison has the rights to the name "Sun", and he has lots of lawyers.
 
Just to put an end to this: None of what I said was based on any "inside" information.

My post was intended to mock the original poster for his or her ongoing fantasies and to hopefully bring some sanity back to the discussion (such as it was). Therefore, I proposed a nnMP that was eminently reasonable and doable given the current state of technology and my perception of Apple's likely direction. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's announcement (if one comes) looked very much like my scenario.

If we ask ourselves what Apple is waiting for, it's inevitably for "the next big thing." That's what they are always shooting for, and it's pretty clear that they are done with small, incremental updates made just to slap "new" on something.

That next big thing - let's use VR as an example - needs everything to be in place in a balanced fashion. And (almost) everything is indeed in place:
  • Intel has a new batch of mildly better chips. (But in retrospect, yeah, while a 6 core for the base machine would be very desirable and mark it as a clear step above the iMac, I'm not so sure Apple wouldn't just slot in a 4-core anyway.)
  • A whole new range of I/O is ready (TB-3, USB-3.1, etc.).
  • Faster SSD's are available, and to throw a bone to cMP users, 2 SSD's could indeed be made to work. Remember that the first generations of Mac Pros had only 2 drives too.
  • DDR-4 is way past being available and cheap now.
  • It's now possible to create an external 5k display using a single cable.
  • VR is up and coming as the hottest thing since the Beatles, and it's a driver of new hardware.
  • etc.
That leaves only graphics as a potential hold-up, and it's a source of a lot of the angst about the Pro. Sure, lots of people would like standard, upgradeable, dual GTX-1080s or even more powerful yet-to-be-announced workstation variants. But I don't think Apple will cave on the direction of the Pro. If they are waiting at all, it seems clear that they are waiting until they can embed, nMP style, a suitable solution from the new process node. Performance is a little disappointing compared to boundless desires, but dual 480's at 11 T-flops would fit the Pro's power envelope and are inexpensive enough for a base-ish Pro. It's at least a place to start, and something better could indeed be secretly coming along, too.

Or maybe Apple will drag things out even longer. Suffering is something that happens to us all, but our own expectations and desires are often most to blame. So stay cool during this interminable Waiting for Godot act... it really may never end, after all. Peace.
 
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Just to put an end to this: None of what I said was based on any "inside" information.

My post was intended to mock the original poster for his or her ongoing fantasies and to hopefully bring some sanity back to the discussion (such as it was). Therefore, I proposed a nnMP that was eminently reasonable and doable given the current state of technology and my perception of Apple's likely direction. Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple's announcement (if one comes) looked very much like my scenario.

If we ask ourselves what Apple is waiting for, it's inevitably for "the next big thing." That's what they are always shooting for, and it's pretty clear that they are done with small, incremental updates made just to slap "new" on something.

That next big thing - let's use VR as an example - needs everything to be in place in a balanced fashion. And (almost) everything is indeed in place:
  • Intel has a new batch of mildly better chips. (But in retrospect, yeah, while a 6 core for the base machine would be very desirable and mark it as a clear step above the iMac, I'm not so sure Apple wouldn't just slot in a 4-core anyway.)
  • A whole new range of I/O is ready (TB-3, USB-3.1, HDMI 1.4).
  • Faster SSD's are available, and to throw a bone to cMP users, 2 SSD's could indeed be made to work. Remember that the first generations of Mac Pros had only 2 drives too.
  • DDR-4 is way past being available and cheap now.
  • It's now possible to create an external 5k display using a single cable.
  • VR is up and coming as the hottest thing since the Beatles, and it's a driver of new hardware.
  • etc.
That leaves only graphics as a potential hold-up, and it's a source of a lot of the angst about the Pro. Sure, lots of people would like standard, upgradeable, dual GTX-1080s or even more powerful yet-to-be-announced workstation variants. But I don't think Apple will cave on the direction of the Pro. If they are waiting at all, it seems clear that they are waiting until they can embed, nMP style, a suitable solution from the new process node. Performance is a little disappointing compared to boundless desires, but dual 480's at 11 T-flops would fit the Pro's power envelope and are inexpensive enough for a base-ish Pro. It's at least a place to start, and something better could indeed be secretly coming along, too.

Or maybe Apple will drag things out even longer. Suffering is something that happens to us all, but our own expectations and desires are often most to blame. So stay cool during this interminable Waiting for Godot act... it really may never end, after all. Peace.
they don't have the pci-e for TB3 much less 2 SSDs.
 
they don't have the pci-e for TB3 much less 2 SSDs.
One TLA - PEX.

There are always enough PCIe lanes. Always.

People just have to get off this righteous high-horse that the system has to be able to run every single peripheral at peak bandwidth simultaneously. That's an absurd situation that seldom, if ever, occurs in real world use.

I have a storage array with 25 12Gbps SAS drives - that's 37.5 GB/sec in theory.

The array is connected to the controller with four 12Gbps SAS lanes - 6 GB/sec.

I can daisy chain another 25 drives, making 75 GB/sec in theory. But they still share the 6 GB/sec controller.

And I'm really happy with a scalable storage system with 6 GB/sec throughput. I don't whine like a spoiled child because I don't get 75 GB/sec.
 
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We need a Pyramid Design.... worked for Egyptians... *kidding*

I am so in favor of a tower in some way shape or form.... cash ready.... but want flexibility that the trash can does not provide...

Honestly,

I'd like to know - not ever being a Mac Pro (owned PowerMac G4 QuickSilver) user. What connections or accessories are you NEEDING or plan on using in 2yrs that the connections + accessories available today that the nMP aka TrashCan cannot provide?

Honestly and exhaustedly?
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I have a storage array with 25 12Gbps SAS drives - that's 37.5 GB/sec in theory.

The array is connected to the controller with four 12Gbps SAS lanes - 6 GB/sec.

I can daisy chain another 25 drives, making 75 GB/sec in theory. But they still share the 6 GB/sec controller.

And I'm really happy with a scalable storage system with 6 GB/sec throughput. I don't whine like a spoiled child because I don't get 75 GB/sec.

Slow ... clap ... Bravo
 
Honestly,

I'd like to know - not ever being a Mac Pro (owned PowerMac G4 QuickSilver) user. What connections or accessories are you NEEDING or plan on using in 2yrs that the connections + accessories available today that the nMP aka TrashCan cannot provide?

Honestly and exhaustedly?

PCI slots and nVidia GPUs.

And I, like many people in my field, do not need a Xeon when beautiful, 4-10 core, highly overclockable i7 chips are out there.

If I need CPU rendering i can buy old Xeons for a song used and make a 12-20 core dual xeon rendering slave on the (relatively) cheap.
 
I do like both scenarios - the new form factor Mac Pro with PCI-E connectors so I can throw in any compatible graphics card I like. I would die for Dual CPU's as I still have some OS X workloads that are happier on CPU. And for example using two E5-2667 v4 would be a dream.

At the same time - my girlfriend complained about HDD Noise when I migrated some files from the iMac to one of the Mac Pros because this is how used we are to quiet computers in the world of the nMP (btw, why is it still new since it is so old) and I think having an external raid somewhere in a utility cabinet connected via Optical TB is actually a nice choice, so 4 drive bays aren't a must anymore for mass storage. Internally I run a PCI-E SSD anyways now.

And this leaves me with the conclusion that the nMP design is not that bad, save for the overheating issue which could be fixed by inserting a copper core, heat pipes and a more heat fins (and cooler running graphics cards).

If Apple now gives us also an NVIDIA option for those who need it and if we are very wishful, even GPU upgrade cards in their new form factor, I think we could all accept their compromise.
 
So, now switches are OK, and not having full bandwidth is "normal"?!
That was a change of heart, quick.
I seem to recall that the nMP was so miserably designed because switches were used and devices were competing for bandwidth.
Go figure...
 
At the same time - my girlfriend complained about HDD Noise when I migrated some files from the iMac to one of the Mac Pros because this is how used we are to quiet computers in the world of the nMP (btw, why is it still new since it is so old) and I think having an external raid somewhere in a utility cabinet connected via Optical TB is actually a nice choice, so 4 drive bays aren't a must anymore for mass storage. Internally I run a PCI-E SSD anyways now.
One can install SSD drives in the cMP so I'm not sure why this would be an issue. As for the external RAID that may be your preference however it is not for many others. I don't want to be stringing a cable from my computer across the room just to add some additional hard disk capacity. Likewise me closets lack internal power outlets. Which means running a power cord outside of the closet to a wall plug. Perhaps if I needed a high capacity RAID system this would be acceptable. But not for basic expansion needs.
 
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One can install SSD drives in the cMP so I'm not sure why this would be an issue. As for the external RAID that may be your preference however it is not for many others. I don't want to be stringing a cable from my computer across the room just to add some additional hard disk capacity. Likewise me closets lack internal power outlets. Which means running a power cord outside of the closet to a wall plug. Perhaps if I needed a high capacity RAID system this would be acceptable. But not for basic expansion needs.
I have told you. Change platform. It will be easier for you, you will not have to complain how terrible is Mac Pro currently, and how terrible and bad is Apple for not fitting to your needs.
PCI slots and nVidia GPUs.

And I, like many people in my field, do not need a Xeon when beautiful, 4-10 core, highly overclockable i7 chips are out there.

If I need CPU rendering i can buy old Xeons for a song used and make a 12-20 core dual xeon rendering slave on the (relatively) cheap.
You will not find anything that fits your needs in Apple platform. There are dozens of external solutions better suited for your needs. You can go and find them, and save yourself a ton of energy that you are using on complaining.
 
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