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Still, Macs have risen in sales in comparison to last quarter, although worse than same period last year.
Not bad when everyone is waiting for the updates and the slow market.
The iPhone on the other hand...
One should take our hat off to Apple for being able to keep business going (almost) as usual.
And the Chinese keep copying, now the Air.
 
Thought I'd throw my hat in with the switchers. I also work in video & 3D Animation. My current 2010 Mac Pro is getting long in the tooth. While the GPU and hard drive have all been updated, the cost vs. benefit of upgrading the processors just wasn't worth it. Nvidia GPU's are very important to my workflow as well since I use Octane for rendering. The ability to upgrade parts as they improve is a huge benefit compared to the parts lock-in with the nMP. I am just wrapping up building a Hackintosh that dual boots Windows 10. While the Hack won't be a long-term solution, at least I can get another year or so out of OS X while I test in Windows before I switch. The Prores codec is the main limiting factor since most everyone I work with still uses it. However, no one I work with or freelance for uses FCPX. Almost everyone uses Premiere or Avid.

I've been a Mac user since OS8 back in the Power PC days. It's sad and unfortunate that the pro community has turned into an afterthought.

I hate to switch, but from a hardware perspective, I would be a crazy not to. The speed, flexibility, and performance gains are worth the pain of Windows and believe me I, Hate, Windows.
 
Nvidia GPU's are very important to my workflow as well since I use Octane for rendering.
i thought Octane was gaining openCL support.. either that or the thing about otoy figuring out how to get their cuda based software to run on intel and AMD.

not yet i take it?
or they've given up on that adventure?
 
i thought Octane was gaining openCL support.. either that or the thing about otoy figuring out how to get their cuda based software to run on intel and AMD.

not yet i take it?
or they've given up on that adventure?

It's supposed to be implemented in version 3 later this year (ATI will be version 3.1 I think, and we are on 3.02 right now), but who knows. The developers have a lot on their plate at the moment, not to mention optimizing Octane for the new Pascal cards, so the ATI implementation may be several months away at best. Nvidia cards work great now, so that's what I'm using for the moment.
 
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Thought I'd throw my hat in with the switchers. I also work in video & 3D Animation. My current 2010 Mac Pro is getting long in the tooth. While the GPU and hard drive have all been updated, the cost vs. benefit of upgrading the processors just wasn't worth it. Nvidia GPU's are very important to my workflow as well since I use Octane for rendering. The ability to upgrade parts as they improve is a huge benefit compared to the parts lock-in with the nMP. I am just wrapping up building a Hackintosh that dual boots Windows 10. While the Hack won't be a long-term solution, at least I can get another year or so out of OS X while I test in Windows before I switch. The Prores codec is the main limiting factor since most everyone I work with still uses it. However, no one I work with or freelance for uses FCPX. Almost everyone uses Premiere or Avid.

I've been a Mac user since OS8 back in the Power PC days. It's sad and unfortunate that the pro community has turned into an afterthought.

I hate to switch, but from a hardware perspective, I would be a crazy not to. The speed, flexibility, and performance gains are worth the pain of Windows and believe me I, Hate, Windows.
Last time I've checked with someone with nMP and premiere, he said it runs fine. Unless I'm missing something here.
 
It's supposed to be implemented in version 3 later this year (ATI will be version 3.1 I think, and we are on 3.02 right now), but who knows. The developers have a lot on their plate at the moment, not to mention optimizing Octane for the new Pascal cards, so the ATI implementation may be several months away at best. Nvidia cards work great now, so that's what I'm using for the moment.

Another problem with the nMP and Octane is that the D700 card only has 6GB of RAM. That's not enough for heavy duty rendering jobs. The 12GB Titan is a better choice, but of course you can't put one in a nMP.
 
Thought I'd throw my hat in with the switchers. I also work in video & 3D Animation. My current 2010 Mac Pro is getting long in the tooth. While the GPU and hard drive have all been updated, the cost vs. benefit of upgrading the processors just wasn't worth it. Nvidia GPU's are very important to my workflow as well since I use Octane for rendering. The ability to upgrade parts as they improve is a huge benefit compared to the parts lock-in with the nMP. I am just wrapping up building a Hackintosh that dual boots Windows 10. While the Hack won't be a long-term solution, at least I can get another year or so out of OS X while I test in Windows before I switch. The Prores codec is the main limiting factor since most everyone I work with still uses it. However, no one I work with or freelance for uses FCPX. Almost everyone uses Premiere or Avid.

I've been a Mac user since OS8 back in the Power PC days. It's sad and unfortunate that the pro community has turned into an afterthought.

I hate to switch, but from a hardware perspective, I would be a crazy not to. The speed, flexibility, and performance gains are worth the pain of Windows and believe me I, Hate, Windows.

I share your frustration. Honestly I work on Windows 10 and OS X every day. And even though I prefer OS X for all the synced stuff I'm not feeling agony when working in Windows. in many ways it's completely fine. And I'm pretty sure you would feel the same way if you got used to it. So maybe a PC is better than a hackintosh? Just rip the band aid right of...
sadly all my phones notes, sms, contacts etc suddenly isn't available on my machine - but if I had an android I would be able to do the same convenience stuff - which suddenly makes other devices more tempting (this can't be a positive thing for Apple)

ProRes shouldn't be a problem. You can render and watch prores on Windows. You have QuickTime (though Apple stopped supporting it) and Adobe has promised to continue to support it so I don't think you actually need QuickTime at all anymore to render prores on PC)

Nvidia is another one of the major reasons I want to switch. I don't want to be forced into using the lower cost/Lower performance amd cards. Sure they are good products for the price and an impressive upgrade, but for a working computer I rather want some heavy duty gpu card instead of the cheaper ones and instead paying the Apple tax which makes them equal in price anyway (that is when Apple choose to even give us that option)
 
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Still, Macs have risen in sales in comparison to last quarter, although worse than same period last year.
Not bad when everyone is waiting for the updates and the slow market.
The iPhone on the other hand...
One should take our hat off to Apple for being able to keep business going (almost) as usual.
And the Chinese keep copying, now the Air.

Macs like iMacs and Macbooks, for sure. But the Mac Pro? Can you back that up?
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Thought I'd throw my hat in with the switchers. I also work in video & 3D Animation. My current 2010 Mac Pro is getting long in the tooth. While the GPU and hard drive have all been updated, the cost vs. benefit of upgrading the processors just wasn't worth it. Nvidia GPU's are very important to my workflow as well since I use Octane for rendering. The ability to upgrade parts as they improve is a huge benefit compared to the parts lock-in with the nMP. I am just wrapping up building a Hackintosh that dual boots Windows 10. While the Hack won't be a long-term solution, at least I can get another year or so out of OS X while I test in Windows before I switch. The Prores codec is the main limiting factor since most everyone I work with still uses it. However, no one I work with or freelance for uses FCPX. Almost everyone uses Premiere or Avid.

I've been a Mac user since OS8 back in the Power PC days. It's sad and unfortunate that the pro community has turned into an afterthought.

I hate to switch, but from a hardware perspective, I would be a crazy not to. The speed, flexibility, and performance gains are worth the pain of Windows and believe me I, Hate, Windows.

I am not so font of Windows to. But I am diving into W10 before i switch and learned that its not a bad OS at all. There is a some sort of Timemachine with much more options. There is a much better 'snap' system for all your open windows, the file system is better than the file manager we have in OSX, multiple desktops, etc etc.. OSX and Windows are not so different. Plus, i am facing beachballs of death often. I have programs that wont start often. I have lag moments often.. and sometimes i need to reboot to keep up the speed again in OSX. Its not perfect.. and I even feel (can be wrong) that OSX is sliding down the hill sinds Marvericks. So, no worries. You will survive :) The much better and faster hardware inside is a big huge plus too.

ps, i havent found a quick view space bar in Windows (which is awesome in OSX)
 
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Macs like iMacs and Macbooks, for sure. But the Mac Pro? Can you back that up?
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I am not so font of Windows to. But I am diving into W10 before i switch and learned that its not a bad OS at all. There is a some sort of Timemachine with much more options. There is a much better 'snap' system for all your open windows, the file system is better than the file manager we have in OSX, multiple desktops, etc etc.. OSX and Windows are not so different. Plus, i am facing beachballs of death often. I have programs that wont start often. I have lag moments often.. and sometimes i need to reboot to keep up the speed again in OSX. Its not perfect.. and I even feel (can be wrong) that OSX is sliding down the hill sinds Marvericks. So, no worries. You will survive :) The much better and faster hardware inside is a big huge plus too.

ps, i havent found a quick view space bar in Windows (which is awesome in OSX)

You are right, W10 is not bad at all. Given how apple treats pro users I think everyone is better of just jumping ship. Trying to desperately keeping alive old Mac pros or paying for the way overpriced nMP just to stick with OS X doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if it's not because of a program that doesn't exist on PC but because of the habit of OS X, then you are in fact making your worklife harder for yourself...and it's only for the fear of the "unknown".
Getting used to Windows 10 is quick, and there are just as much good stuff Windows can offer as OS X - and w10 actually looks decent too. And the best part is you get to have the latest and greatest hardware whenever you want. I'm making the switch back within a couple of weeks and I actually look forward to it... Not desperately having to read Mac rumors hoping for a hint of rumors about Mac and of some possible hardware that apple might consider. The fact that they choose that I cannot use nvidia cards despite them being way better than amd is something I'm not accepting. The fact that all their machines except nMP uses mobile gpus frustrated me. Honestly the feeling I had 5-6 years ago when I switched to Mac, was an eye opener and a refreshment. Now it has turned into a feeling of entrapment and limitations.
 
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I'm curious. What was your reaction when the nMP was released? Were you disappointed or were you surprised by the amount of power they were able to cram into the small form factor?
 
While it is certainly possible to write ProRes in Windows, there are caveats - starting with most tools being limited to 8 bits vs 10 bits, headers that don't have the correct flags/structure, etc. I work in media production and always use a Mac to write ProRes, as do most of the folks I know.
Is ProRes authoring alone enough incentive to stay on OS X? For some folks it might be, for most - not.
Several studios I work with have a cMP in the rack/machine room for the primary purpose of authoring ProRes, and perhaps running a couple of specific software tools important to their workflow.
FWIW, I'm happy to hear positive notes on Win10 since I will most likely have to make the move once the drivers for Pascal cards mature a bit and CPUs like Kaby Lake that support TB3 directly hit the market.
 
I'm curious. What was your reaction when the nMP was released? Were you disappointed or were you surprised by the amount of power they were able to cram into the small form factor?
I was surprised that Apple didn't call the MP6,1 the "Mac Mini Pro", and release a smaller tower (the MP5,1 and earlier are really huge) with dual sockets and six to eight disk slots, and multiple PCIe slots.

The MP6,1 is a great upgrade for the Mac Mini. As a castrated Mac Pro - it doesn't meet the bar.
  • No standard disk slots - zero
  • Twelve physical cores, when HP/Dell/... had 24 cores (now they have up to 44 cores - Apple still stuck at 12)
  • No PCIe slots - zero
  • 64 GiB RAM (4 DIMM slots), when the competition goes to 768 GiB (24 DIMMs) (now they do up to 1536 GiB - Apple still stuck at 64 Gib)
  • Expansion via external PCIe 2.0 x4 connections, vs internal PCIe 3.0 x16 connections
So, the MP6,1 was a nice upgrade to a Mini Mac, but a huge step backwards for the Mac Pro.

Oh yeah - and there's this thing about not supporting the most popular GPGPU programming framework.
 
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You are right, W10 is not bad at all. Given how apple treats pro users I think everyone is better of just jumping ship. Trying to desperately keeping alive old Mac pros or paying for the way overpriced nMP just to stick with OS X doesn't make any sense at all. Especially if it's not because of a program that doesn't exist on PC but because of the habit of OS X, then you are in fact making your worklife harder for yourself...and it's only for the fear of the "unknown".
Getting used to Windows 10 is quick, and there are just as much good stuff Windows can offer as OS X - and w10 actually looks decent too. And the best part is you get to have the latest and greatest hardware whenever you want. I'm making the switch back within a couple of weeks and I actually look forward to it... Not desperately having to read Mac rumors hoping for a hint of rumors about Mac and of some possible hardware that apple might consider. The fact that they choose that I cannot use nvidia cards despite them being way better than amd is something I'm not accepting. The fact that all their machines except nMP uses mobile gpus frustrated me. Honestly the feeling I had 5-6 years ago when I switched to Mac, was an eye opener and a refreshment. Now it has turned into a feeling of entrapment and limitations.

Yep! I am on the same boat. I am going to switch very soon. I have made my system for many months now and pressing the button will be done when some payments are on my account. I am going for a 6800K 6 core, 32gb ram, 2x PCI SSD, bunch of SSD for bulk and a GTX 1070 for the cuds's. Pretty setup for my big digital paintings (Photoshop and illustrator projects) and learning 3D. This all, will be packed in a Define S5 case. Also not bad at all for the eye and its around the 2500 euro.

I'm curious. What was your reaction when the nMP was released? Were you disappointed or were you surprised by the amount of power they were able to cram into the small form factor?

Personal, i was enjoying there sale speech. Like always, they are champs with that. Beside the annoying payed cheers from the audience. But, at the same time.. i still don't get it. Was the pro market asking for a small form factor, or does the pro market want a good machine. Does a pro market would like to choose between amd or nvidia. Not because they are amd or nvidia fans, but because there professional tools ask for a certain gpu choice. And where are the dual CPU slots? Xeons in a pair.. that is a pro setup. And why forcing everyone into a dual GPU while a lot of pro software is not using it. So, what was Apple thinking? I think they have swingt, and missed hard. The 5.1 cases are good business on the 2nd hand websites.

Question back about your question: Why does this matter? 2000 euro machines with 2016 hardware kicks nMP's butt. Thats a probleem.
 
Roykor, I was speaking in general terms, not specifically the nMP of course. Despite the slow moving market, all the complain about Apple not bringing updates and that PCs are the DoItAllFasterAndCheaper, Macs in general have had a better quarter. I believe it's not just their marketing at work here, people are fed up with copies and low quality stuff and they see the good side of it. Prices haven't dropped, new models should be coming soon, so how can one explain this? People just like to throw money away? Don't think so.
Don't get me wrong, I use Windows everyday in my work machine (writing this on that machine actually) and there are of course great things on Windows. Specially hardware support. But what makes it so broad also used to make also a lot more prone to issues. things are much better now of course.
But MS is just now following suit with the Windows distribution model, and started off not that well with the mandatory updates.
Anyway, one should use whatever makes their workflow a better experience of course, and if it's their platform of choice so much better.

Regarding the nMP, if the cMP was the best thing after sliced bread, the nMP (for my needs now) was even better, awesome indeed. An engineering feat. But that's just me, I'm not into building rigs anymore, or OC'ing, or changing hardware for whatever reason. My focus has changed. But there are other here of course that need those options open and the nMP is most certainly not for them.
To me, this is a future rig, way too early in time but that will prove to be the way computers in general will be like, maybe in a more standard way.
Like I said before, wait till 2018 and you'll have a perfect machine. Even Apple will not pass that upgrade.
 
Jim, I'm talking about Basin falls with Skylake-W processors, former -EP indeed but for 1S systems alone now.
Availability should be for next year but with all the delays and add to that Apple not going all out in the beginning, that's why I already put it at 2018 :)
CannonLake-W should be out in 2018 but again, don't expect it that soon.
More PCIe on the CPU, new DMI and the Kaby Lake PCH will bring some new life to the platform finally.
Imagine having full width GPUs as now, 2 or 3 TB3 controllers and 1 or 2 SSDs out of the CPU. No bottlenecks even from DMI3. And you can still hang a few more things on the PCH's PCIe3 ports without that much of a penalty.
Let me look up for the info. Here:


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Intel-Xeon-E7-E5-Skylake-EX-_Purley-Platform_Roadmap.jpg

[doublepost=1469979914][/doublepost]I could do fine with 3 TB3 controllers and only one SSD on the CPU lanes, but others will prefer having 2 SSDs, even if with only 2 TB3 controllers, and that I admit would be a more balanced setup. That would make the GPU cards the same, even improving Apple's SKU count. And 2 TB3 controllers (4 ports) is more than enough for most (although maybe not everyone).
This would be a very nice and balanced design, just the way Apple likes it. And me!!
With the PCH having another 20 PCIe lanes, and since USB3 is already built in, only thing to consider is USB3.1 and 10GbE, which can be alt moes for the TB3 if they so decide.
 
Or maybe -W will use the same chipset as the new enthusiast -X processors, Basin Falls-X, with even better specs, 24 PCIe lanes:
Intel-Basin-Falls-Kaby-Lake-X-and-Skylake-X-Processors-635x357.jpg

[doublepost=1469981137][/doublepost]See the availability info, end of 2017 which would put -W further out into 2018 for sure.

At the moment, I don't think they'll wait any longer and release v2 as a Late 2016 model nMP with current tech: BDW-EP, TB3, nVME SSD and Polaris GPUs (along the lines of the new FirePros).
And in a couple of years a refresh with SKL-W will come, maybe 3 years when it's mature ans people will say it's old already :)
[doublepost=1469981582][/doublepost]After that will come Ice Lake with yet another socket (R5 maybe?) and PCH.
CannonLake will be the last using KBL-X PCH and socket R4 it seems.
 
Given Apple's track record over the last decade if they did a redesign around Xeon E5 v4 ( Broadwell-EP ) now in 2016 I highly doubt they would come back in late 2017 or even early 2018 with anything that required a significant R&D work. Yes, Skylake-W could be a much better match to the Mac Pro design objectives, but if Apple hides in the hole for another year the Mac Pro market probably would be too severely damaged to be viable over the long term.



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Imagine having full width GPUs as now, 2 or 3 TB3 controllers and 1 or 2 SSDs out of the CPU.

An optional 3D XPoint / Optane SSD (as caching and/or VRAM backing store ) and three TB v3 would probably work pretty well. If Optane pans out as advertised could be simpler to just use one of these instead of the RAID 0 configuration of the Radeon Pro SSD. Since not coming until late 2017-2018 the Optane would have a higher chance at easy availability ( and more proven track record.). A single even more low latency, 'M.2 sized' SSD wouldn't need a PCI-e switch (besides the one embedded in CPU ) and more space effective than two SSDs. [ In contrast to the Radeon Pro SSD design] It would need some more macOS updates if using as specialized storage (Fusion like cache or as VRAM backing store mapped files).

There may also be some "low cost" 10GbE option that the "4th" x4 lane could be allocated to. Skylake-EP is getting some 10GbE options. If those get delivered via some relatively "low cost" PHYs implementation ( similar to current two chip solution PCH+PHYs for 1GbE ) that could be very easy path to brining Mac Pro Ethernet into the 21st century. [Desktop Systems that target extreme bulk storage on network should be greatly helped with low cost 10GbE availability. ]

Either Optane or Intel special PHYs means more bundled stuff for Intel to sell, so I suspect support for one or both will be made attractive to Apple to include.


No bottlenecks even from DMI3.

As the PCH loads up on the "up to 20 PCIe 3.0 " then bottleneck go up. It is more a physical lane expander in the 3.0 space than the step up Skylane-W takes by going from 40 to 48 lanes ( presuming there is respective step up in internal network inside the CPU. )

I expect the default SSDs will still go here. Unless, Apple gives a bit on miniizing volume don't suspect will get two general usage SSDs.
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Or maybe -W will use the same chipset as the new enthusiast -X processors, Basin Falls-X, with even better specs, 24 PCIe lanes:

Quite likely since do that now. ( 610 works for both -E and Xeon E5 1600 v3-v4 ). Most of what is happening at Skylake is a mapping from -E and -EP to -K and -W for same family of product. [ But of course muddled and bound to fuel confusion by Intel marketing by slapping an exception for the i7 x700 series in there with the -K to -X mapping. ]

But overall yes. As the desktop market slows and matures, it is going to be more cost effective to have one PCH for all mid-to-high end desktops ( with internal features flip on/off for market differentiation) .


Looks like this is could be a "rob Peter to pay Paul" exercise.

Skylake-W 48 lanes. Skylake-X 44 lanes ( -4 )
PCH 20 lanes PCH 24 lanes ( +4)

Create a PCH chip with an optional connect of x4 to drive the SATA ( they have done it before for SAS ):

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http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/chipsets/server-chipsets/c600-chipset-diagram.html


Other viable candidate is just more Flex IO. Can drive up the PCI-e v3 lanes a bit higher by driving down SATA lanes. Same pins coming out just allocation mix changed.
 
Roykor, I was speaking in general terms, not specifically the nMP of course. Despite the slow moving market, all the complain about Apple not bringing updates and that PCs are the DoItAllFasterAndCheaper, Macs in general have had a better quarter. I believe it's not just their marketing at work here, people are fed up with copies and low quality stuff and they see the good side of it. Prices haven't dropped, new models should be coming soon, so how can one explain this? People just like to throw money away? Don't think so.
Don't get me wrong, I use Windows everyday in my work machine (writing this on that machine actually) and there are of course great things on Windows. Specially hardware support. But what makes it so broad also used to make also a lot more prone to issues. things are much better now of course.
But MS is just now following suit with the Windows distribution model, and started off not that well with the mandatory updates.
Anyway, one should use whatever makes their workflow a better experience of course, and if it's their platform of choice so much better.

Regarding the nMP, if the cMP was the best thing after sliced bread, the nMP (for my needs now) was even better, awesome indeed. An engineering feat. But that's just me, I'm not into building rigs anymore, or OC'ing, or changing hardware for whatever reason. My focus has changed. But there are other here of course that need those options open and the nMP is most certainly not for them.
To me, this is a future rig, way too early in time but that will prove to be the way computers in general will be like, maybe in a more standard way.
Like I said before, wait till 2018 and you'll have a perfect machine. Even Apple will not pass that upgrade.

So far I know, the iMacs and Macbooks are doing very fine for Apple. And those are good computers. It will fit in almost every livingroom and works fine for all kind of work situations. Plus, they see updates.

In the Pro market, there is zero information what Apple is going to do. Will there be an update? Will they change the form factor? Is the Pro end of line? Nobody knows. So, some here payed 10.000 euro on a Apple product, and have zero information if Apple is planning something for the near future. Lips sealed. Well.. thats a healthy customer relationship. You can downplay the "DoItAllFasterAndCheaper", at least you can upgrade when ever you want. And with a 'normal' case it fits all inside the box. With Dual xeon. With a single hardcore GPU. Etc. And the bonus is that its also a lot cheaper. Apple dont have your back with their high end line.

So, i have no doubt that Macs are rising in sales. They are doing very well for consumers. I have one, and I would recommend a iMac or Macbook to everyone. But for the Pro market, I am done and a DoItAllFasterAndCheaper + Windows is the way to go, or go to Dell / HP / etc. for a workhorse with tons of options.
 
IMO, native support for TB3 is the key. Since there is only so much muscle you can put inside the tube due to TDP limitations, you want the best possible hosting for eGPUs. If Kaby Lake chipsets and AMD Polaris cards can be procured in quantity before the end of 2016 then I think it's worth it for Apple to bring a 7,1 nnMP to market.
There's always something better in the pipeline, but Apple has a history of choosing tech inflection points to roll out new hardware. Robust TB3 support is the piece that can make the internal limitations of the tube less of an obstacle to pro applications. TB2, and the limited number of PCIe2 lanes available, was always the achilles heel of the 6,1.
Now, if the tube can support SSD on GPU from AMD we've got something...
 
So far I know, the iMacs and Macbooks are doing very fine for Apple. And those are good computers. It will fit in almost every livingroom and works fine for all kind of work situations. Plus, they see updates.

In the Pro market, there is zero information what Apple is going to do. Will there be an update? Will they change the form factor? Is the Pro end of line? Nobody knows. So, some here payed 10.000 euro on a Apple product, and have zero information if Apple is planning something for the near future. Lips sealed. Well.. thats a healthy customer relationship. You can downplay the "DoItAllFasterAndCheaper", at least you can upgrade when ever you want. And with a 'normal' case it fits all inside the box. With Dual xeon. With a single hardcore GPU. Etc. And the bonus is that its also a lot cheaper. Apple dont have your back with their high end line.

So, i have no doubt that Macs are rising in sales. They are doing very well for consumers. I have one, and I would recommend a iMac or Macbook to everyone. But for the Pro market, I am done and a DoItAllFasterAndCheaper + Windows is the way to go, or go to Dell / HP / etc. for a workhorse with tons of options.


I agree, the iMac is a great computer for general usage. If you are only doing image editing or Photoshop, no 3d, after effects or games that require a proper GPU. But, the looks of the iMac and having all components baked into one nice metal capsule is great for a living room or a fancy office. But, once you need to do some CPU rendering or GPU heavy stuff its falling apart ( I even heard people got their iMacs broken because of rendering over a long period of time). Fans start to become loud and if you switch from one heavy task to another the machine most likely will throttle and you need to reboot or wait till it settles down. Thats at least my experience with the iMac, even though I have the i7, 4GhZ with the Radeon R9 M295X and 1tb SSD and 32gb ram (completely maxed out). So in my eyes, the newer version that is "slightly" faster than mine is the best Computer option Apple has to offer for now (it even outperforms the maxed out nMP is certain areas currently). I just recently rendered a video in AE which took 4 hours were I could not use the machine. It will be interesting to see the result with a new 6 core Haswell PC with GTX 1080, Im expecting the video will render in less than half of the time while I can easily work on other stuff meanwhile....will be interesting to see.
 
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IMO, native support for TB3 is the key. Since there is only so much muscle you can put inside the tube due to TDP limitations, you want the best possible hosting for eGPUs. If Kaby Lake chipsets and AMD Polaris cards can be procured in quantity before the end of 2016 then I think it's worth it for Apple to bring a 7,1 nnMP to market.
There's always something better in the pipeline, but Apple has a history of choosing tech inflection points to roll out new hardware. Robust TB3 support is the piece that can make the internal limitations of the tube less of an obstacle to pro applications. TB2, and the limited number of PCIe2 lanes available, was always the achilles heel of the 6,1.
Now, if the tube can support SSD on GPU from AMD we've got something...

Okey, so you have a tube on your desk and an couple of extended devices connected to the nMP, right? (using TB3) I have seen some tubes with extra stuff connected. It was a cable mess. And, in the end it took more desktop space than a PC tower. :eek:
 
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