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Mac Pro Rising
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It would be nice if Apple would just end the suspense and announce the end-of-life for the Mac Pro - at least then people could plan and stop debating "what ifs".
THIS. I think people are getting tired of Apple not revealing until the day of...or someone trying to leak something.
This shows that Apple is desperate to try to get sells. This goes for all of Apple's product. I don't know understand why they gotta keep it hush hush. It's as if they got nothing to show for. All this secrecy is actually a mental problem. It's causing people to "should I buy now or wait?"
Without sounding like an awful naysayer I wouldn't be at all surprised if Apple did discontinue the Mac Pro.
Consider as well that Apple supposedly are adding better eGPU support to Sierra - I suspect that Apple may in future push people to buy iMacs / MacBooks and turn to Thunderbolt for better GPUs etc.
Consider as well that Apple supposedly are adding better eGPU support to Sierra - I suspect that Apple may in future push people to buy iMacs / MacBooks and turn to Thunderbolt for better GPUs etc.
Dear Gord, I hope that you are wrong.
MacBook Pro - 4 cores, max RAM 16 GiB
Imac - 4 cores, max RAM 32 GiB
MP 6,1 - 12 cores, max RAM 64 GiB (reports that 128 GiB works, but not supported)
Z-840 - 44 cores, max RAM 1024 GiB
eGPUs won't help many applications if you castrate the system on CPU cores and RAM.
I doubt Apple would discontinue a product after it's somewhat exaggerated debut in 2013 with Phil Schiller's famous "Can't innovate anymore, my ass!" line.
But on a more serious note, even if it's not selling well, I'm sure they would give it another chance late this year. If that model doesn't sell well, then it's time to start worrying.
But on a more serious note, even if it's not selling well, I'm sure they would give it another chance late this year. If that model doesn't sell well, then it's time to start worrying.
I don't share your optimism. Tim and his bean counters won't be looking at Phil's ass when they say "kill".
Recent AMD FIREPRO GPU's launch with model number aligned with Mac Pro's GPU naming scheme tells you something .
Apple is building grounds for VR content edition/creation, the iMac is good enough for 4K video editing (w/o heavy post p.) but never wil have enough power to edit 3D VR/AR.
Eve when more people is morless aware an update is due to the Mac pro it still sells much better than the cMP 6mo pre- nMP annoucement.
What dissapoint people (and breathles nMP haters) is the lack of reliable leaks,coz Apple's NDA enforcing itn the US is strong.
I'm confident even w/o leaks we are at weeks before the nMP2 launch.
If Apple is preparing complete revamp of their hardware, with HDR, VR, content creation tools that handle this sort of things, and the mythical 8k iMac/next gen. display, then we can only speculate about what exactly are they preparing.
For me it tells nothing. The names can be anything, either for AMD and for Apple.
Although I hope this is wrong, I too, would not be surprised...
The sad fact is Apple has conditioned their customers like many have spoke of previously to react this way. Further with the advent of iPod, iPhone, and iPad, they really have conditioned yearly regular updates. The Mac side has seen a lot less love/attention. I think many of us (sorry to rehash) come to the realization Apple is more interested in complete boxes, never to be upgraded by the end consumer. Where does this leave the Pro market/needs? If it is indeed thunderbolt, Apple needs to step up and have some eGPU/Workstation solutions. Waiting on third party manufacturers leaves us all in a lurch, not knowing what/and when, disrupting workflows incredibly.
Now I am not in the market of getting the newest and greatest, every generation, I am however the type that will gauge where a specific product is in it's cycle before pulling the credit card trigger. I am kicking myself right now for having a Thunderbolt Display, not really knowing where thunderbolt will be in the near future. With Apple being so heavily invested into the technology, and not being the first with a T3 connection really makes me wonder if they are committed, then theres the discontinuation of the Thunderbolt Display. The Prosumer offerings are more than dated at this point, (Yes we all have heard the arguments that 'what are they gonna stick into it' but as this and a few other threads have pointed out, there are options). With all that said, yes, I am more inclined to believe a discontinuation more than a update at this point. I would love for my gut feeling to be wrong, but I just see it more the other way.
We have had a Troll go ahead with one of his first posts (if not his very first post) turn this into a now 42 page thread, offering nothing other then speculation and hearsay. And where are we? For someone with all this 'insider' knowledge, it wouldn't be difficult to snag a picture, or if the security protocols are that extensive, I know Mr. One could grab a pen and paper and then scan or take the pic.
Apple has no specific need to hold the Mac Pro for a macOS Sierra announcement, it is not a flagship product. How many Apple Stores have them displayed? It's not geared towards that crowd. So I'm sorry, to throw out that theory. We are more likely to see updates to the Air, and Pro Books, and iMacs seeing boosts, MacMini and MacPro are really headed the way of the wind, in my opinion.
For what it's worth, did we all see WWDC Keynote? They are playing to the lowest common denominator, Apple is really now a iToy company, and the sooner we all accept that we can move on. Any Workstation Class machine, is better found elsewhere at this point.
Sorry for the rant...
No, not official, but consider curious the new FirePro being named W7100 W5100 and W4100, when we expect the new GPUs to be named D710/D510/D310.
I dont believe on al 8K iMac by the next 2 Year, unless apple puts a RX480/490 inside, further 8K resolution is useful for? even 4K TV display are slow gaining market share, despite lowering prices fast (its more due lack of demand than production improvement).
"Soundable"? As in "it's soundable that Apple will drop the entire Mac Pro line on Monday"?
no as in maaaasayyyybeeeee. I do have doubts like 80 to 90 percent. This is all theories. I can't believe anything till I see a leak...just a peek of leak. Maybe Mac Pro parts....or a video of Tim being waterboarded till he confess of nMP .
I dunno how accurate this is, but in speaking with an AMD rep at Siggraph/Capsaicin event about the MacPro, he said that they get asked quite often about a new Mac pro release and that he heard (but would not confirm ) apple was reworking the design because the thermal requirements were too much for the current design and the hardware was failing, so thats why it's been taking so long. He seemed pretty knowledgeable about it and told me (he couldn't confirm) the new Macpro would have a VERY strong chance of getting an AMD card.
As a reformed leaker, I officially state that the new FirePro cards are last piece of the puzzle.
It's coming, folks. All that's left to do now is whine about how a combined 10 T-flops isn't good enough (not a coincidence that it's such a nice round number, don't you think?). How dual Titans at 20 T-flops, which, despite the 16 nm node, burns more power than the entire existing Mac Pro, plus a double-wide kitchen-sink chassis burning the remainder of a second home's worth of power, is the minimum that "we" will tolerate. Get too it!
It's coming, folks. All that's left to do now is whine about how a combined 10 T-flops isn't good enough (not a coincidence that it's such a nice round number, don't you think?). How dual Titans at 20 T-flops, which, despite the 16 nm node, burns more power than the entire existing Mac Pro, plus a double-wide kitchen-sink chassis burning the remainder of a second home's worth of power, is the minimum that "we" will tolerate. Get too it!
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whine in advance, huh? lol.As a reformed leaker, I officially state that the new FirePro cards are last piece of the puzzle.
It's coming, folks. All that's left to do now is whine about how a combined 10 T-flops isn't good enough (not a coincidence that it's such a nice round number, don't you think?). How dual Titans at 20 T-flops, which, despite the 16 nm node, burns more power than the entire existing Mac Pro, plus a double-wide kitchen-sink chassis burning the remainder of a second home's worth of power, is the minimum that "we" will tolerate. Get too it!
Well, i am not going to wait any longer than a few weeks. An in my head, i all-ready made my desicion. Even if Apple is going to update the Mac Pro, they have showed that they can shutdown after launch for many years. And that doenst feel safe. Plus, with a VR world all-ready kicking for some years on the PC side (Development) it could be very logic that Apple missed the boat big time. I can not think any reason why a department would switch to Apple / VR when they have all-ready everything working, with some years of experience. On top of that, if they again are going for a single socket approach, i think they kick themselves in the nuts, again. But, that said.. i am looking at Apple lately like the bigger version of Nintendo. They have there own OS, own systems and their own type of production software. For me, working with Adobe and some other applications that are available for PC and Mac, i am better of moving to the other side. And thus far, i havent find a single reason that keeps me on the Mac side.
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THIS. Apple stopped being a computer company long ago. They don't need us to keep Apple relevant any more, and it shows in every delayed product release. If you need dual Xeon with lots of storage and GPU options (Nvidia) built in, it's not coming from Apple. Get your iPad Pro with the new emojis in iOS 10 and start making content, at least that's how Apple wants you to do it. Like Tim said, according to Apple, the desktop is dead.
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[doublepost=1470055051][/doublepost]I sent an email to Tim Cook a while ago, and made several points to him;
- No one will buy a product they don't know about. Look at the Apple website; the Mac Pro is hardly present anywhere.
- iTunes sells media for consumption, mainly on Apple mobile devices. Apple has also historically been the platform of choice for creative professionals to create this with. How then, can anyone push the boundaries of creativity with a 3 year old machine based on technology from (in parts) 5 years ago?
Not staying on the Mac side .... Sorry to see you go. Mac side is ALL Sides. My Mac can run Windows and Linux too. Only a HACK-intosh in the PC World can run Mac. So ... I ran a Hackintosh for a while. So glad to NOT be wasting my time on that any more. Now I edit Video and other FUN stuff. Only you can make you happy. I am disappointed with some of the things apple is doing but less disappointed than I was back in the PC World. New Mac Pro, 8K iMac Pro, or whatever they decide to release... I can wait. I hope many of you can wait but if you can't ... Believe me ... I definitely understand.
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8K is on AMD's Map for PRO Video shops so .... If Apple ever wakes up or .... is SECRETLY planning a knock-down killer device for the PRO market in an order to keep that business ... they better get busy. Wouldn't it just be tooooo freeking awesome if Apple released a Product based upon the new Fire Pro SSG product. Capable of editing 8K Video on the NEW 8K Apple Cinema screens. If Apple EVER makes another stand alone monitor after the Thunderbolt Display and new products that require an external screen, this would make up for the wait for me. I would hope they also do a better job going forward releasing more incremental updates. It would have been nice to at least see GPU "Upgrade" options for the 2013 Mac Pro. Here's hoping Apple still loves it's PRO's.
Im guessing you will never get an answer. Tim Cook just won't understand why you dont consider moving your business over to the iPad Pro...in his head its completely capable of doing everything you need a machine to do.
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Im actually very sorry to leave myself. But the current iMac has a mobile gpu, and the nMP is 3 years old GPUs that werent that great to begin with. And, stuff I work in like Element 3d in After Effects and 3d Viewports and Unity 3d, all takes advantage of a gpu. Even Photoshop does these days. I can live without playing games, but when all these programs suffer because of my slow GPU Apple forces me into a corner....Sadly, because OS X is so much better than windows, especially when you own other Apple iHardware.
Moreless true, ruled by Tim Cook SEEMS Apple cares more on bring Fashion and Gossip-related items (A.Music's curated lists) than Technology.
The iPhone we love its becoming year after year less and less technologically relevant, neither Siri or 3D touch become Daily drivers for any one, even seems Google ditched it's "3D touch" plans.
While on Android now you can even virtualize containers on an entire OS (Knox, Linux, Windows), and few phones now comes with on-board neural networks (those on snapdragon 820), Actually I'm considering to switch to Android (indeed safer than iOS due it's Zero Day Exploit bounty program).
Being devil's lawyer: macOS market for such configuration its minimal I don't believe worth the investment to address they particular expensive configurations, not the same with previou generation Macs where most software cant avoid the need for a 2nd CPU, now its hard to justify to a project manager you need a dual CPU workstation on macOS environment..