Mac Pro - the End of an ERA?

[barmann]

Innovation doesn't mean what you think it does. Again, you want Apple to make a standard tower. That's not innovation. "Doing something everyone else is doing" is not innovation. I'm not saying that's bad, but arguments that "Apple should innovate" are in direct opposition with what most people are saying on this forum.

My point is, Apple's recent innovations are like square wheels .
Noone else is doing it, sure, but for good reason ...
TcMP, touch bar, MB/P keyboards, losing ports - ditching magsafe , of all things ....

I for one don't want any more 'innovations' from Apple, and who else is making that argument anyways ?
Computers are an applience, no need to get fancy, just make them work without hassle and give me options .

 

[singhs.apps]

and who else is making that argument anyways ?

Never under estimate the power of association.

 

[filmak]

My point is, Apple's recent innovations are like square wheels .
Noone else is doing it, sure, but for good reason ...
TcMP, touch bar, MB/P keyboards, losing ports - ditching magsafe , of all things ....

I for one don't want any more 'innovations' from Apple, and who else is making that argument anyways ?
Computers are an applience, no need to get fancy, just make them work without hassle and give me options .

There must be drastic moves inside Apple to see something better happening, regarding their computers.

Mac mini is dead,
Mac Pro is dead (at present day at least)
macbook Air is dead
PCIe expansion, Macbook Pro 17", displays, Airports, TimeMachines, precious software (Aperture, Shake etc) are gone.

Now tell me please, what kind of expectations we may have about their future plans?
I'm very afraid that the upcoming (? or not) mMP will be just another disappointment, they simply can't understand, or don't want to understand, the reality.
This is the famous VR they are working on, or better working in, as they must be living inside it for some time, disconnected from real world.

 

[chrono1081]

Apple only care about emoji or how the computer look.

This argument is never valid I'm afraid. Apple doesn't make the emoji, they're part of the unicode standard. Not adopting the unicode standard can cause all kinds of issues.

Also it's like you guys aren't even paying attention. Did everyone magically miss Apple mentioning the new Mac Pro being worked on that should be available next year? That was a pretty big deal.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/1...nd-next-generation-displays-are-in-the-works/

 

[filmak]

I ensure you that we 're paying attention for many many years.
What will happen with this new iteration of Mac Pro is a matter of the unknown future.
It is a big deal, but it is also a bit late and unfortunately there is a low level in confidence right now...

 

[fuchsdh]

My point is, Apple's recent innovations are like square wheels .
Noone else is doing it, sure, but for good reason ...
TcMP, touch bar, MB/P keyboards, losing ports - ditching magsafe , of all things ....

I for one don't want any more 'innovations' from Apple, and who else is making that argument anyways ?
Computers are an applience, no need to get fancy, just make them work without hassle and give me options .

People in this very thread. "Innovation" has become a pointless buzzword for stuff people like, and if it's not something they like it's not innovative.

 

[Mago]

My point is, Apple's recent innovations are like square wheels .
Noone else is doing it, sure, but for good reason ...
TcMP, touch bar, MB/P keyboards, losing ports - ditching magsafe , of all things ....

• tcMP: I have not complaint against it form factor, but it lack of updates, Its Coockś Abanandonware Flagship
• TouchBar: No Complains, only it should be available across all the Mac as a External Keyboard.
• Butterfly Keyboards: RED FLAG, how its possible this carp weren't properly tested for reliability, this is a thing that can be done by robots in environment labs, they never where aware what dust and wear does on this ?, as stockholder I'd suggest to audit how are spent the R&D budget, this is an red flag on wrong doing.
• Magsafe: controversial but overcome by 3rd party usb-c magsafe adapters, cheap easy and STD.
• losing USB-A was need to keep macbooks thing, but should have kept an HDMI port.

Mac mini is dead,
Mac Pro is dead (at present day at least)
macbook Air is dead
PCIe expansion, Macbook Pro 17", displays, Airports, TimeMachines, precious software (Aperture, Shake etc) are gone.

Apple Management is on permanent vacation sir. its named "politics agenda" license.
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Innovation doesn't mean what you think it does. Again, you want Apple to make a standard tower. That's not innovation. "Doing something everyone else is doing" is not innovation. I'm not saying that's bad, but arguments that "Apple should innovate" are in direct opposition with what most people are saying on this forum.

Innovate, means Enable You New Things or New Ways that empowers you, what's doing apple about?

Do you consider New Colors, or clong competitors services compelling innovations? Coock licking my @$$ could be more innovative than that for many.

 

[h9826790]

This argument is never valid I'm afraid. Apple doesn't make the emoji, they're part of the unicode standard. Not adopting the unicode standard can cause all kinds of issues.

Also it's like you guys aren't even paying attention. Did everyone magically miss Apple mentioning the new Mac Pro being worked on that should be available next year? That was a pretty big deal.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/1...nd-next-generation-displays-are-in-the-works/

I said "they care about emoji", but not "they create emoji", and obviously they really care the emoji more than Mac Pro. In the last 5 years, how many times they mentioned about the Mac Pro in their events? How many times they mentioned emoji on their events?

 

[Nugget]

. . .obviously they really care the emoji more than Mac Pro.

Exactly -- and they are creating it too. Animoji didn't come out of the Unicode Consortium. That's an Apple "innovation."

 

[Naimfan]

People in this very thread. "Innovation" has become a pointless buzzword for stuff people like, and if it's not something they like it's not innovative.

I think there is a lot if truth in what you wrote.

Many would be happy if Apple would extract its head from its ass and produce a simple, updated tower - the Apple version of the HP Z8, for example. That would count for. Any as "innovation," given Apple's failures in that particular market space.

 

[Zeke D]

Also it's like you guys aren't even paying attention. Did everyone magically miss Apple mentioning the new Mac Pro being worked on that should be available next year? That was a pretty big deal.

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2017/1...nd-next-generation-displays-are-in-the-works/

No, you aren't paying attention. This forum is the most used, and most referenced forum for mac rumors, and the Mac Pro specifically. The old renderings of the supposed "new new Mac Pro" are from someone speculating, and as pointed out in that thread, there are major issues with the supposition. Aside from the comment in the thread you referenced about the monitor, Apple has stopped designing their own monitors, and have offloaded that responsibility to Lucky Goldstar. There is only one way to revive the prosumer line, and that is to bring back an expandable mac pro chassis. It doesn't have to be the cheese grater, but that's what everyone wants.

Apple is no longer interested in making any product other than the iPhone and the MacBook. Every other product is being slowly phased out. From software to accessories, Apple no longer cares about its customers or users. The Cult of Mac is dead, and for good reason.

 

[fuchsdh]

I think there is a lot if truth in what you wrote.

Many would be happy if Apple would extract its head from its ass and produce a simple, updated tower - the Apple version of the HP Z8, for example. That would count for. Any as "innovation," given Apple's failures in that particular market space.

And that's fine, that's just not innovation. I think you can make a good argument that pro hardware should mostly be consistent and predictable updates because that's what people are using to make their money, and that more drastic changes should be targeted to their consumer products—the iMac G3 went all-in on USB while the B&W kept legacy connectors for a generation, for instance.

But mostly, I just see "innovation" used as a byword for "unspecified thing I want" rather than any set technical definition. Whether it's here or all the pundits who complained about Apple's "lack of innovation" and prompted Schiller's comment in the first place.

 

[macuser453787]

There's lots of room to innovate within the tower form factor.

Yes, was thinking this very thing before I read your post.

It seems that innovation within a product line (in this case, the MP) should also take into account versatility of use by the customer base, and when considering that it seems that the decision concerning the nMP form factor was unwise, and that the tower form factor is pretty much necessary for ease of expansion/adaptability to specific users' needs. Without accounting for versatility, one can innovate to the point of detrimental design (as has apparently been shown to be the case with nMP), and the result can be (and apparently has been) the alienation of the customer base for said product line.

After being a lifelong apple user, since the Apple IIe, and using Apple computers all the way through 2017

Wow. Similar here, been using Macs since 1989, my freshman year in high school, starting with Mac Plus and Mac SE, Mac II, IIsi, and others from there. I had a Powerbook G3 that I bought new in '99 that died in '04, after which I bought a used Digital Audio G3. Then in 2013 I bought a used 4,1 from OWC (and flashed it to 5,1) and have been using it ever since.

I can't help but think that this upcoming modular Mac Pro in 2019 is a make it, or break it event.
Will it stop more people from breaking rank, and bring a few deserters back into the club? Or will it finally kill the Mac pro market once and for all?

These thoughts seem to be at the heart of all of this discussion.

 

[Naimfan]

And that's fine, that's just not innovation. I think you can make a good argument that pro hardware should mostly be consistent and predictable updates because that's what people are using to make their money, and that more drastic changes should be targeted to their consumer products—the iMac G3 went all-in on USB while the B&W kept legacy connectors for a generation, for instance.

But mostly, I just see "innovation" used as a byword for "unspecified thing I want" rather than any set technical definition. Whether it's here or all the pundits who complained about Apple's "lack of innovation" and prompted Schiller's comment in the first place.

I quite agree!

 

[macuser453787]

There is only one way to revive the prosumer line, and that is to bring back an expandable mac pro chassis.

Indeed.

 

[h9826790]

Exactly -- and they are creating it too. Animoji didn't come out of the Unicode Consortium. That's an Apple "innovation."

Yeah, well before they "create" the animoji, Apple already "created" the high quality "non standard emoji" on the 1st gen Apple Watch. I really don't know how to use unicode to get this animated high quality emoji.

 

[macuser453787]

I think you can make a good argument that pro hardware should mostly be consistent and predictable updates because that's what people are using to make their money

Yes, this goes to my point about keeping versatility of use by the customer base in the equation.

But mostly, I just see "innovation" used as a byword for "unspecified thing I want" rather than any set technical definition.

LOL

 

[chrono1081]

No, you aren't paying attention.

I showed you an article where it was mentioned, and you're telling me I'm not paying attention. Read the article please next time before trying to counter me.
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I said "they care about emoji", but not "they create emoji", and obviously they really care the emoji more than Mac Pro. In the last 5 years, how many times they mentioned about the Mac Pro in their events? How many times they mentioned emoji on their events?
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Read the article I linked please.

 

[Nugget]

Read the article I linked please.

I read the article you linked and I don't really see where it adds any new information that hasn't (I presume) been known for a long time by the majority of participants in this thread. Was there some specific piece of information in it that you feel is particularly interesting?

Apple's "Modular Mac Pro" announcement has been discussed in great detail on this site in multiple threads since they originally announced their plans in April 2017. I'd consider that to be fundamental knowledge at this point.

 

[h9826790]

I showed you an article where it was mentioned, and you're telling me I'm not paying attention. Read the article please next time before trying to counter me.
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Read the article I linked please.

Did that link shows any prove that Apple care Mac Pro more than emoji?

And you didn't pay attention on this forum, we all know that "news" before you post the link. There are plenty of discussion already.

 

[chrono1081]

Did that link shows any prove that Apple care Mac Pro more than emoji?

And you didn't pay attention on this forum, we all know that "news" before you post the link. There are plenty of discussion already.

No obviously not because many posters are still crying that "Apple isn't doing anything for Pro users!" despite evidence (straight from Apple) to the contrary.

 

[h9826790]

No obviously not because many posters are still crying that "Apple isn't doing anything for Pro users!" despite evidence (straight from Apple) to the contrary.

Apple may believe they are doing something for pro user (in their point of view), but pro users not necessary agree that.

They believe that they created a great Mac Pro 6,1 for pro users. Is that widely accepted in the Pro users group? NO.

So, they further "upgrade" it to a even more lock down iMac Pro for pro users. Is that widely accepted by pro users? Another NO.

I hope they can get the 7,1 right, but who knows?

We are talking about "if Apple REALLY doing something good (objectively) for pro users", but not "If Apple BELIEVE that they are doing something good (subjectively) for pro users".

Anyway, you link is NOT straightly form Apple.

 

[jscipione]

Yes h9826790 !

Apple hasn't made a real Mac Pro since 2010 and Apple has done a lot more to support emoji in the last 8 years than they have to support the Mac Pro.

The real pros are already gone they have long ago switched to Windows -- Final Cut Pro has ceded to Adobe Premiere. The question is can Apple win those back with the Mac Pro 7,1?

 

[AidenShaw]

No obviously not because many posters are still crying that "Apple isn't doing anything for Pro users!" despite evidence (straight from Apple) to the contrary.

The evidence that "Apple isn't doing anything for Pro users" is actually fairly strong.

• The cheese grater Mac Pro basically went four years without a significant update (2010 until the trash can shipped at the beginning of 2014). Sales were even suspended in Europe for about a year because Apple couldn't be bothered to put a 50¢ grille on the exposed fans.
• Aperture and other pro apps were dropped. FCP7 was turned into iMovie2.
• The trash can has gone four years without any updates - even though Intel introduced two generations of nearly compatible processors. And Nvidia and AMD have released major GPU updates. T-Bolt 3 arrived.
• The shut-out of Nvidia GPUs is an upraised middle finger to the pros who need CUDA. (Especially in the context of "OpenCL will do everything - oops, never mind, we're dropping OpenCL for proprietary Metal".)
• The double upraised middle fingers to pro users and developers when Carbon64 was dropped after field test.
• Apple's decision to abandon the standard UEFI and fork the deprecated EFI for vendor lock in. (You'll probably never see a question about "boot screen" on a Linux or Windows board.)*

These are just a few off the top of my head - readers are invited to add other Apple insults to their (increasingly former) pro users.

* Unless the post is about trying to run Linux or Windows on an Apple device.

 

[flat five]

this has gone on soo long now, i quit even caring

that said, i do still believe i'll be back around these parts of the webz eventually..