I'd call that "light usage".I definitely taxed that machine
Seriously, if you're not running +80% on all threads for days on end, with +80% of RAM in use, and disk time averaging 80% or more - it's lightweight.
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Mac Pro - the End of an ERA?
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Seriously, if you're not running +80% on all threads for days on end, with +80% of RAM in use, and disk time averaging 80% or more - it's lightweight.
I have to chime in here, because abbreviations are so very important , and there's not much else to talk about .
nMP : new Mac Pro , the MP 6.1, 2013 - today .
tcMP : same as nMP, lovingly referred to as trash can MP almost immediately after first images were released .
The name stuck for a number of reasons .
cMP : classic Mac Pro , often called cheesegrater . 2006 - 2012 ( G5s are cheesegraters too, but only Intel MPs are cMPs )
iMP : iMac Pro ; not a Mac Pro , but typing iMac Pro got tiring, hence the need for an abbreviation .
To the best of my knowledge, there is no generally agreed on abbreviation for the upcoming Mac Pro - nMP is already taken !
mMP for modular Mac Pro seems most common, but hasn't quite caught on yet, maybe due to confusion on Apple's possible interpretation of the term modularity .
mMP = Modular Mac Pro (aka nMPv2) a mythical beast only exist in fiction books, notwithstanding anonymous cryptozoologist said it exists even witnessed had saw it, captive but alive, and have one or two cpus PCIe GPUs (1-3) etc (depends who you ask), but actually seems just a creation from the collective imagination fueled by some notes from people which actually doesnt seems to be reaaly into the Mac .
Alive indeed! This "mythical" beast has been held captive in an undisclosed abandoned zoo. Too wild for only 3 PCIe slots! Too fast to run with cheetah! Just a BEAST ready to be uncaged!
This is pathetic! Apple is a major worldwide company and they cannot deliver a decent modern computer. They hobble their offerings with a closed system, taking the user back years in performance just so they can put out a closed system. It's a weak offering and backward thinking. No wonder MicroSoft and supporting computer makers are using this opportunity to offer systems to Pro Users to get them to switch. Apple is making users wait another year just because they can't get their crap together. Tim Cook gets an "F" in my book. I've stuck up for Apple in the past, but I cannot any longer give them a pass on such a boneheaded move.Alive indeed! This "mythical" beast has been held captive in an undisclosed abandoned zoo. Too wild for only 3 PCIe slots! Too fast to run with cheetah! Just a BEAST ready to be uncaged!
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The door is open.Alive indeed! This "mythical" beast has been held captive in an undisclosed abandoned zoo. Too wild for only 3 PCIe slots! Too fast to run with cheetah! Just a BEAST ready to be uncaged!
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It must be chained or comatose or dead already.
I've been asking for this for months and months. Even sent an email to Tim to last year. No reply of course.
But I suggested a triple height Mac Mini with the 6-core, 8700K CPU, user upgradable dual NVMe slots, up to 64GB (user upgradable) ram, and no less than the 8GB Radeon RX580 video card (upgradable to Vega 56 and 64). Would like to see a 2.5" drive bay. And sell it for $1,600. I'll be back with Apple in a flash.
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Apple has wasted nearly a decade offering a viable upgrade to the 2009 Mac Pro. 2010 and 2012 updates were minor at best, and not worthy upgrading from a 2008 or 2009.
A good chunk of their old Mac Pro user base, users like me, quit waiting for Apple, and already moved on to a PC workstation. An expensive user upgradable Xeon tower might bring some back, but it isn't going to bring back. A hopped up 6-8 core Mac Mini on roids for less than $2,000 would bring me back.
The 8th generation Core CPUs with integrated AMD RX Vega M would be a great fit for a hypothetical new Mac Mini. I think the days of a Mac with user upgradable disk and GPU are behind us, with the possible exception being the upcoming Mac Pro.
"with the possible exception being the upcoming Mac Pro."
I'd bet Apple is putting a closed system Mac Pro together that fits their idea of a pro machine when it's not.
... but Apple already released that machine it is called the iMac Pro so I still hold out hope for the Mac Pro 7,1.
Selling non-upgradeable and many-years-outdated computers seem to be a great strategy for Apple.
Apple outperformed nearly every PC maker in 2017
http://bgr.com/2018/01/14/mac-sales-2017-marketshare-pc-decline/
To the best of my knowledge, there is no generally agreed on abbreviation for the upcoming Mac Pro - nMP is already taken !
mMP for modular Mac Pro seems most common, but hasn't quite caught on yet, maybe due to confusion on Apple's possible interpretation of the term modularity .
Once we see the new computer, a name might become immediately apparent. For example, maybe it will be pyramid shaped and we'll call it the pMP for Pyramid Mac Pro.
Really? Simply the fact that it's going to take almost two years should warn you that the MP7,1 is going to be a proprietary failure.
Apple could have released an upgraded cheese grater in six months. The extra 18 months are to ensure that you won't be able to add off-the-shelf SSDs, off-the-shelf RAM, or off-the-shelf GPUs to the system.
In other words, an extra 18 months to make sure that the MP7,1 is exactly *not* what customers are asking for.
Sadly, I have to agree. But then again, if they’re going to release trashcan 2.0, they might as well no bother to.
When I say trashcan 2.0 I don’t mean the same design with up to date internals, it could be another “brilliant” design with no user upgradable components, thus “solving” a problem that we didn’t have.
THEY ALREADY DID release trashcan 2.0 it is called the iMac Pro. Somewhere along the line Apple realized that the iMac Pro was not going to cut it and so, in a completely un-Apple way, they pre-announced that there would be a "real" Mac Pro coming. They have since reiterated that the modular Mac Pro and accompanying display are still coming but not until 2019. As far as it taking 2 years so it won't be a new cheesegrater, duh, of course it will be a new design, and it will need to be impressive to win pros back.
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The trouble is that Apple sales figures as published are open to interpretation .
I very much doubt that Apple has outperformened anyone in any category for a long time, if ever .
Which is fine by me, the same is true for many fine manufacturers, only the constant lying and hyperbole is getting a little old .
And no longer backed up by fine products .
I'm not really a pro user. I don't use my computer to make money (well, I do, but my work needs are met with an old Mac mini). I own a Mac Pro because I couldn't pass up an Amazon pricing mistake on 5,1s and I had about 50 hours of old Hi8 tapes to digitize and convert to DVDs. However, having a fast computer has allowed me to do a bunch of things I couldn't do on my mini. Also, my kids are becoming quite facile with FCPX and a few photo editing programs. But I digress...
My suggestion is that if Apple comes up with a decent pro computer, they offer a kick'n trade-in program for users with HP Z computers and the like as a gesture of goodwill towards this poor, abused, neglected crowd.
My suggestion is that if Apple comes up with a decent pro computer, they offer a kick'n trade-in program for users with HP Z computers and the like as a gesture of goodwill towards this poor, abused, neglected crowd.
Not sure Apple will win pros back with a new MP, perhaps old diehards like me who pimped their 5,1 Mac Pros with Rx580 cards, 4TB SSD, 12 core, 128GB memory? Editing 4K video as if it's nothing might enjoy an upgrade but to be honest: the old beast is actually doing fine. The latest version of Premiere is stable, multicam 4K projects are easy to edit and whatever apple is going to come up with next is going to be around $8K and probably not that much faster than what I got now, so I'm fine till 2022, by that time the new Mac Pro might be cheap enough to represent it's real value.... or I'll finally move back to windows after 26 years?
So my bet is on people new to Apple, and not the old nerds who still remember that mighty beast from a decade ago.
So my bet is on people new to Apple, and not the old nerds who still remember that mighty beast from a decade ago.
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...as long as they include paying for cross-grades or replacement Apple OSX software licenses for people's Windows licenses.
A long time ago I heard that the "conventional wisdom" was that you needed a two-to-one performance advantage to get customers to change platforms. (Also heard stated as two-to-one price-performance advantage.) Note that switching from Z-series to Precision is not a platform change.
Since the best that Apple will be able to offer is performance parity, and unlikely to offer price-performance parity - unlikely that any trade-in program would be successful.
I certainly wouldn't trust that Apple was going to keep the MP up-to-date - an update every five to eight years just isn't what many pros demand. They've been burned already, and will be suspicious.
Better give macOS licences for use with HP Z computers, as they forgot how to built a proper workstation.
Apple is unreliable partner for most Pro users (outside those who rely on MS/Office365 productivity apps). Everything is designed to be disposable within five years and/or designed to last three years. Butterfly keyboard shot in their foot by breaking a year too early.
macOS has become a "Vista" of the era. If you look at the old "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" ads, and switch their identity, it is today's "I'm a Mac" ad.
For instance:
macOS High Sierra's new security features:
eGPU and the dongle jungle:
The Hackhintosh community
macOS High Sierra was released with major bugs and short commings
And my favourite... todays Mac is speaking to yesterdays Mac
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Thought exercise - you’re the loans approval manager, and someone wants a loan to start a business that will be based on doing work that will require Mac Pros, with some app that’s not on Windows. You know the history of the Mac Pro, and you know the business has competitors using equivilent software on Windows workstations, which have a clear hardware roadmap.
Do you consider their business an acceptable risk?
Do you consider their business an acceptable risk?