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This doesn't makes the videos easier to watch, explain a bit more (pea/line ect), please.

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Here is an excellent video demonstrating what happens with each method of application on an Integrated Heat Spreader. The pea method is best for IHS/lidded CPU. If you delid your CPU you won't have an IHS and it is recommended to use the line method.

 
The razor method is least likely to damage

Double vice method to twist it off. One vice holds the CPU, the other vice twists the IHS off

The vice and hammer method for the brave

Check YouTube

yes i saw the youtube videos...i asked what of the three methods is better...i also saw a video with iron heat...
 
Yes, you can tighten without being afraid of ruining the socket, this is the same height as the Apple CPUs, so there are no issues with over-tightening (unless you tighten so much as that you break the screw or similar, but that would be impressive).

Also correct, you do not need to break/cut the connector, the heatsink will fit right back down as it's supposed to without any modifications.

Check the video of the install


I'm not sure of anyone in Europe who sells a similar kit. Also, be aware that in addition to the shipping costs, you'll also have to pay customs fees.

That's exactly why some of the suppliers here on MR should have an affiliate here in EU! So we can chime in and share the fun of GREAT updates & upgrades and for a reasenoble pricetag too!

Cheers
 
Do I have to De-Lid the IHS or can I install the processor without doing that? (2010 5,1 with W3690) I would rather not remove the shield.
 
Yes, you can tighten without being afraid of ruining the socket, this is the same height as the Apple CPUs, so there are no issues with over-tightening (unless you tighten so much as that you break the screw or similar, but that would be impressive).

Also correct, you do not need to break/cut the connector, the heatsink will fit right back down as it's supposed to without any modifications.

Check the video of the install


I'm not sure of anyone in Europe who sells a similar kit. Also, be aware that in addition to the shipping costs, you'll also have to pay customs fees.

HI
i wrote you an email, but i ask here too

Hi

I have another little question:


On your website, if I check the expedition cost for Italy, I obtain 55,95$


On Ebay, your same product have expedition costs of 21,42$


Do you think it's normal? Or you are able to ship from your site with less cost?


Let me know, thank you
 
Do I have to De-Lid the IHS or can I install the processor without doing that? (2010 5,1 with W3690) I would rather not remove the shield.

Single CPU Mac Pro's use the IHS. You only delid for 2009 Dual CPU Mac Pro's. 2010 Dual CPU Mac Pro's keep the IHS (I believe).
 
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Single CPU Mac Pro's use the IHS. You only delid for 2009 Dual CPU Mac Pro's. 2010 Dual CPU Mac Pro's keep the IHS (I believe).

Changing CPUs in a 5,1 is as easy as falling out of bed. Nothing to worry about.

Only 4,1 Dual CPU has issues.

Thats good news. For some reason I thought I read all 2010's had the same issue as the 2009's with IHS Processors.
 
Here is an excellent video demonstrating what happens with each method of application on an Integrated Heat Spreader. The pea method is best for IHS/lidded CPU. If you delid your CPU you won't have an IHS and it is recommended to use the line method.


The only problem with that video is that the person is applying pressure directly down on the CPU. That's not how it really works.

In real world applications, there are usually four screws to tighten down the heatsink, thereby applying pressure to the CPU/compound at different angles (5 on the mac pro). Usually you tighten in 2 or 3 passes, tightening each of the screws in an "X" pattern a a few turns until they are all tight. This evenly distributes the pressure and helps to alleviate air bubbles, etc.

Personally, I use a razor blade edge to cover the entire IHS as evenly as possible and have never had a problem with temps. I don't trust what I can't see is going on under the heatsink with the pea/line/X methods. "did I use enough or too little paste, etc." are questions I would be asking myself.
 
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HI
i wrote you an email, but i ask here too

Hi

I have another little question:


On your website, if I check the expedition cost for Italy, I obtain 55,95$


On Ebay, your same product have expedition costs of 21,42$


Do you think it's normal? Or you are able to ship from your site with less cost?


Let me know, thank you

This is expected, international shipping from the US is expensive. Through eBay the shipping uses the Global Shipping Program (GSP). I'm not sure how they ship it, but Pitney Bowes (the company eBay contracted with for the GSP) gets a far better rate, and consistently gets items to the destination in around 2 weeks. In addition to this, the eBay listing is free shipping, where through our site, shipping is a separate cost, so this factors into the price as well.

There are pros and cons both ways. Through eBay GSP you can take advantage of the better rate Pitney Bowes has, and get an estimate of the import taxes, which can be helpful in knowing the total cost before making the purchase, however their estimates are usually higher than if the item were to be shipped direct.

I no longer ship these processors by Priority Mail International, the main reason being this often takes 4+ weeks, and sometimes more than 10 weeks, there are also some restrictions on the value of the item being shipped. International Priority Mail Express usually takes between 1-2 weeks, and is far more reliable.

I'm not able to adjust the shipping costs through the website, this is the cost to ship. I charge less for the kit itself through the site because I do not have eBay fees, and I pass these savings straight to you (I actually make a little less through sales on the website)

Thank you
 
I no longer ship these processors by Priority Mail International, the main reason being this often takes 4+ weeks, and sometimes more than 10 weeks, there are also some restrictions on the value of the item being shipped. International Priority Mail Express usually takes between 1-2 weeks, and is far more reliable.


Thank you

Ok Thank you for the answer...i think i will buy from your site...so, do you think that taxes will be a little less?
Greetings
 
The only problem with that video is that the person is applying pressure directly down on the CPU. That's not how it really works.

In real world applications, there are usually four screws to tighten down the heatsink, thereby applying pressure to the CPU/compound at different angles (5 on the mac pro). Usually you tighten in 2 or 3 passes, tightening each of the screws in an "X" pattern a a few turns until they are all tight. This evenly distributes the pressure and helps to alleviate air bubbles, etc.

Personally, I use a razor blade edge to cover the entire IHS as evenly as possible and have never had a problem with temps. I don't trust what I can't see is going on under the heatsink with the pea/line/X methods. "did I use enough or too little paste, etc." are questions I would be asking myself.
I'm going to trust the highly enthusiastic maniacs on PC forums for this one and every forum member I recommended pea method with Gelid paste on the IHS saw better temps. I saw temps remain the same when I upgraded dual X5650 to X5690 with this method.
 
Ok Thank you for the answer...i think i will buy from your site...so, do you think that taxes will be a little less?
Greetings
I would check what ebay estimates for the taxes, and assume that to be worst case (If you're willing to pay that amount in customs fees, then go ahead with the purchase, otherwise try to find other options if that puts you over budget). I would guess it will be less than their estimate. I've had many customers tell me they pay less, and this is a common complaint with the eBay Global Shipping Program, however each country is different.
 
I would check what ebay estimates for the taxes, and assume that to be worst case (If you're willing to pay that amount in customs fees, then go ahead with the purchase, otherwise try to find other options if that puts you over budget). I would guess it will be less than their estimate. I've had many customers tell me they pay less, and this is a common complaint with the eBay Global Shipping Program, however each country is different.
I ordered a kit just now...countdown begin....
 
I'm going to trust the highly enthusiastic maniacs on PC forums for this one and every forum member I recommended pea method with Gelid paste on the IHS saw better temps. I saw temps remain the same when I upgraded dual X5650 to X5690 with this method.

I remembered a site that had a similar test, with much clearer results, which basically says that all methods are flawed to some extent, and temperature tests show that there really isn't much difference in temps for any of them. Your "pea" method (similar to the rice-sized or 2x rice-sized) shows what I was afraid of -- incomplete covering of the IHS, whereas the smooth application had tiny air bubbles. In the end, none of the 16 methods of application were very far off, temperature-wise, from each other.

Basically, do what you feel happy with, not what the "enthusiastic maniacs" say to do! :) Personally, I'm more comfortable knowing my IHS is 100% covered and not oozing paste over the edges of the IHS.
 
I remembered a site that had a similar test, with much clearer results, which basically says that all methods are flawed to some extent, and temperature tests show that there really isn't much difference in temps for any of them. Your "pea" method (similar to the rice-sized or 2x rice-sized) shows what I was afraid of -- incomplete covering of the IHS, whereas the smooth application had tiny air bubbles. In the end, none of the 16 methods of application were very far off, temperature-wise, from each other.

Basically, do what you feel happy with, not what the "enthusiastic maniacs" say to do! :) Personally, I'm more comfortable knowing my IHS is 100% covered and not oozing paste over the edges of the IHS.
I linked to the 'thermal paste' comparison benchmark on Toms Hardware. True there isn't much difference in temps between application methods and even types of paste, but some people are fanatically about every tenth of a degree and that's really what such conversations come down to. 'Normal' people don't care if their CPU is running at 32 degrees or even 45 degrees.
 
I linked to the 'thermal paste' comparison benchmark on Toms Hardware. True there isn't much difference in temps between application methods and even types of paste, but some people are fanatically about every tenth of a degree and that's really what such conversations come down to. 'Normal' people don't care if their CPU is running at 32 degrees or even 45 degrees.
"Normal" people don't upgrade their own CPU's. But those that are technically saavy do, and while there are fanatics that want bragging rights on the lowest temps obtainable, I think the majority of those that tackle their own CPU upgrades (especially on a Mac) don't really care if the temps are 32.6 or 33.4 or 31.9. To me, they're statistically the same for all intents and purposes. Also, I'd guess that PC upgraders are more fanatical than Mac upgraders (with all their water cooling, overclocking and such).
 
Hi,

Well, after reading the upgrade posts here and there on this forum I decided to take the plunge and go all the way on the Xeon path under Apple. :D :apple:

A lot of credit goes to Phillipma1957's thread: He did it before me and much better:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1122551/

First, a couple of things:

  1. I know that a self-built Linux box would be cheaper and could be had for less with probably more CPU power, especially with AMD Opteron processors. But at the same time, I wanted to have a Mac Pro maxed out as I use Snow Leopard, I like the case and like the overall Mac experience. (i.e. I didn't want a different case, deal with different issues when upgrading a hackintosh's OS or hardware)
  2. I use it for 3D animation, with Pixar's Renderman. I play games from time to time, but this is mainly for graphics, video editing and rendering. Before I bought the processors, I expected halving my rendering times in Renderman, and that is exactly what I got. (going from two e5620s to two x5690s)
  3. I also wanted to have to manage as few systems as possible. I did NOT want to have a PC for this, a Linux server for that, a laptop for this too, etc. I only have this Mac Pro for all my needs and can access the firepower via SSH when needed from a mobile space with my iPad
  4. Lastly, I have an AMD 5870, and for 3D animation and even games, I think is reasonable for the price. The only card that is better is the nvidia 580, but: a) it would not work under Mac (like it would not run Autodesk Smoke, which I use and is NOT available in windows) and b) will provide small marginal performance in other OS's. I believe this is also the case for the 6970, which is not supported yet, at least for 3D GLSL under Lion.

So, here is what I did:

At the beginning of the year I knew I would be doing something like swapping the CPUs, so I bought the cheapest Westmere dual processor Mac Pro from the refurb :apple: store.

I got a hold of two xeon x5690s. :)

Using the hex 3mm tool, I took the CPU tray out and unscrewed the heatsinks, exposing the CPUs.

I cleaned the heatsinks and the CPUs in their sockets still. Now that I think about it, it should have been much easier to just take them out of their sockets and clean them afterwards. I wanted to clean them neatly as I am selling them on ebay to recoup some of the costs of the upgrade!

I remembered phillipma1957 mentioned to be careful with the cotton swabs and pads as to not leave them near the pins of the sockets, as some cotton would be left behind. So that is really the reason why I did it.

In any case, the cleaning was a little bit cumbersome and was not perfect, so I took the cpus out of their sockets anyway and cleaned them more afterwards.

I used arctic silver cleaning solutions, and it is great. I used to clean my old my MacBookPro when I cleaned the heatsink. And they work as advertised, it is really that good! I just have one complaint. Back when I bought it, they would sell me these big solutions the size of a small bottle and in two installations of 4 CPUS, I have used drops only. That is right, I have full bottles that will probably last me more than a lifetime.

The most exciting part was getting the Xeons out of their packaging and into their sockets. I was a little afraid of bending pins. As the lever is quite hard on pressing the CPU, but alas, that is the way it works! Also, I think my arctic silver solution has dried from years of use, or rather of not using it as often. And it was hard for me to create a smooth thermal mix screen on top of the CPUs so you could read the letters still and it was uniformly applied. so I decided to just wipe it clean again and apply a little to each CPU and let the heatsink spread it when re-assembled. So I don't really *know* for sure if I used too little.

I have owned macs since 1990s and this is by far, by far, the easiest to upgrade. The CPU swap is really just as promised back in the ZIF (zero insertion force) socket days. Just swap and off you go. No adjusting the height of the heatsink, no jumper settings, no taking off the metal cap on the CPU, no nothing. It is great!

I was already kind of expecting something would go wrong and the mac would not start up, but I did the swap on Thursday and have been rendering, emailing, listening to music and downloading items without a hitch pretty much every day for hours. I am writing it from it right now. And the CPUs are idling at around 35 degrees C. 75 degrees C when fully used (the fans kick in and the temps come back to 35 degrees C)

And lastly, I know in theory, the TDP of above 100 watts per CPU was still acceptable, as some other people had claimed to have done it and OWC says also you can do it. But I *still* was kind of anxious to see if it WOULD work :p

I love it!

Yes I know that it was a little expensive, but, not all decisions are economic in nature! :p love my Mac Pro, until Xeon Sandy Bridge comes out! lol




I have done a similar project on my Model 1,1 (early 2008). from a 2- 2.66 Ghz. Intel Xeon 5150-Woodcrest, I upgraded to a 2- 3.00 Ghz. Intel Xeon 5160-Woodcrest. Eight years ago-as you know the processors were super-expensive. Then if I remember right I got a great deal for 2 - 5160 Woodcrest. I only paid $45/ each for a total of $90 for the 2. That processor swap then was a little more difficult than the model 5,1s which have the processor pull-out trays. But my Model 1,1 is working fast and beautifully---never, never experienced any errors in any of my legacy apps. They still work up to now. The only little hitch I got was: the "About this Mac" couldn't fully identify the 3.00 Ghz. Woodcrest. It only says: 2 X 3 Ghz. Unknown. Otherwise it works beautifully. I just got another MacPro model 5,1 (2010) with 2 - 2.4 Quad Core and like you I got 2- 6-core X5690 Westmere. What my concern is if I do the same swap that you did from 2- quad core to 2 - 6 core------Is there any firmware update that I have to do? Did you do a firmware update in yours? I'm not familiar with what I have to do for A "firmware update". Thanks.
 
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