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adent04

macrumors newbie
Jun 18, 2011
10
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SFBags is a great company. You are bitching because they had to change the estimated delivery dates on you a few times. Earlier, you got an e-mail from them saying that your case was going to ship much earlier than expected. They even gave you a date. However, you decided to complain which made them unsure if you still wanted the case or not. I know it was frustrating, because that is because they are a small company trying to keep up with a very high demand for their products right now (because of the new macbooks). They have been nice and professional in their e-mails to you, and all you've been is a whiny little bitch.

I am not bitching because of the changes in delivery dates. I am just not impressed that I have had to chase this order up at almost every stage, and invest way too much time than what I should have. Their customer service has been shocking, and as others here have also noted, they also had to chase up this company and were told that they had been already emailed. I and others here did not get emails re the initial delays, and I only got them after chasing my order up repeatedly. A lie is simply a lie.

If the company had been so nice, why do you think they said in one of their emails to me 'I understand that this has been far from a stellar experience for you as a first-time customer and I'm really sorry. We do our best to treat customers well, and I'm sorry that we haven't met your expectations thus far'? This was their words, but I don't disagree.

Sometimes people want it both ways, but I would have been happy to just get some good old honest communication. I gave them a chance, but I didn't personally feel that there was an effort to improve their communication. I also felt that the way in which they treated others that also shared their own experiences here, was plain wrong.

I acknowledge that it was nice in the end to get an email saying your order is ready sooner than what it was estimated - despite what I was told less than a day earlier. But I think that was just because I had made my experiences public. My order could have - as others here noted, be put to the back of the queue. Perhaps it was then moved up to the front. Is either way fair? All I know is that for me, it didn't seem right. Perhaps I should cut them some slack, or perhaps I should just shut up and take what was coming. But I felt a stand needed to be made. Wrong or right, that is my choice, and I stick by my choice. Others that read this can make their own minds up, and I appreciate respect their decisions and motivations.
 

armistice

macrumors newbie
Jul 7, 2012
28
0
Indianapolis, IN
reading these posts makes me want to buy something from SFbags, just because I feel bad for them lol. Plus, unless I read something wrong, it sounds like they actually have really good customer service and do a great job of communicating any changes to orders/deliveries.


Sounds like a great company, imo...one worth supporting. :)
 

patternofstars7

macrumors member
Jun 21, 2010
30
0
SF bags

I got to say I'm actually very impressed with SF bags. Obviously with the introduction of the rMBP their orders have piled up and have fallen behind. I was given a prompt e-mail saying my bag was delayed a week and that they would send me an e-mail when it shipped if I still wanted it or I could cancel for full refund. They even let me know if I wanted to switch colors and what was in stock. I think they've been very professional and the quality of the bags are incredible. Well worth the price. Would absolutely buy from again. I also ordered the cargo bag with the sleeve.
 

Pacwell

macrumors member
May 14, 2012
54
1
http://goincase.com/products/detail/perforated-hardshell-case-cl57467

Ive had this for 2 years on 2 different MBPs and I have never found anything better. It holes help with ventilation and its tight enough it doesn't budge or slide or anything I've experienced with other cases.


Essentially I forget its not part of the computer until someone asks about it.


EDIT-Oops, i forgot to ask if anyone knows of a similar product/

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keviikev

macrumors member
Jul 13, 2010
74
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http://goincase.com/products/detail/perforated-hardshell-case-cl57467

Ive had this for 2 years on 2 different MBPs and I have never found anything better. It holes help with ventilation and its tight enough it doesn't budge or slide or anything I've experienced with other cases.


Essentially I forget its not part of the computer until someone asks about it.


EDIT-Oops, i forgot to ask if anyone knows of a similar product/

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It was horrible case for my MBA leaving it with many scratches from collecting dust. Speck clear case is what I waiting for. rMBP has vents so holes are just for show
 

Pacwell

macrumors member
May 14, 2012
54
1
It was horrible case for my MBA leaving it with many scratches from collecting dust. Speck clear case is what I waiting for. rMBP has vents so holes are just for show


Odd. I have taken it off of two MBP in the past and had no scratches. I previously also used a wrap and it only lasted me about 6 mos before the peeling became far annoying.

I did try a speck case before and it was very rigid and didnt seem to conform to the case very well.
 

HowEver

macrumors 6502a
May 10, 2005
854
398
Toronto
We'll be waiting a long time for a perforated case for the Retina. InCase has specifically said they're considering it but will be making other hard cases first--could be months if at all.


http://goincase.com/products/detail/perforated-hardshell-case-cl57467

Ive had this for 2 years on 2 different MBPs and I have never found anything better. It holes help with ventilation and its tight enough it doesn't budge or slide or anything I've experienced with other cases.


Essentially I forget its not part of the computer until someone asks about it.


EDIT-Oops, i forgot to ask if anyone knows of a similar product/

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Pacwell

macrumors member
May 14, 2012
54
1
We'll be waiting a long time for a perforated case for the Retina. InCase has specifically said they're considering it but will be making other hard cases first--could be months if at all.

Well thats a disappointment. I hate case shopping. Your most assuredly having to buy them online to see how well they fit dealing with those annoying returns.


I only saw one case currently browsing through the threads here but I didnt peruse al 19 pages.


I guess ill go bare until something everyone clamors over comes about.
 

HowEver

macrumors 6502a
May 10, 2005
854
398
Toronto
Seriously I need a leave-in sleeve like the perforated also. Waiting for anything that doesn't mark up the computer, protects it, and doesn't have to be glued on.

Well thats a disappointment. I hate case shopping. Your most assuredly having to buy them online to see how well they fit dealing with those annoying returns.


I only saw one case currently browsing through the threads here but I didnt peruse al 19 pages.


I guess ill go bare until something everyone clamors over comes about.
 

TLewis

macrumors 65816
Sep 19, 2007
1,311
129
I got to say I'm actually very impressed with SF bags. Obviously with the introduction of the rMBP their orders have piled up and have fallen behind. I was given a prompt e-mail saying my bag was delayed a week and that they would send me an e-mail when it shipped if I still wanted it or I could cancel for full refund. They even let me know if I wanted to switch colors and what was in stock. I think they've been very professional and the quality of the bags are incredible. Well worth the price. Would absolutely buy from again. I also ordered the cargo bag with the sleeve.
Same here. I recently ordered their cargo bag combo, and I was amazed at how quickly it arrived. (Now, if only my rMBP would ship ... :p) The quality of the bags is very good, and I've found only one minor issue (for me): the internal keychain holder has a plastic clip to hold your keys, and the clip feels flimsy -- flimsy enough that I might break it after a month or so of daily use, if I used it. However, I keep my keys in my pockets, and don't use these keychain holders, and so it's not a big deal to me.
 

ZipZap

macrumors 603
Dec 14, 2007
6,112
1,467
Same here! I was told around the 20th. Did you get an order confirmation or anything? I changed my order via email to drop the name on the case. Some feedback would be nice.



I was going mainly for protection to keep the screen from getting pushed into the keyboard while in my bag.



What did you ask? I would agree his communication has been lacking via email/facebook but I sent him a text and received a response within minutes. Maybe he just overloaded with orders but has his cell on him?

Yeah I had to ask...He said his leather would be in on 7/10 but he did not get until 7/13. My shipment was due 7/15 and was made 7/18.

I hope the quality has not been compromised because of his speeding through the backlog. His video indicates it takes longer than 3 days to make one.

I am excited to get it...just not sure when. Hopefully by saturday. Will post again once I have it in hand.

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Hey all. For me, the communication experience has been ****** with these guys and with my order. I wouldn't trust them at all, especially given the amount of work I have put in just to try and ind out what the hell was going on with my order. And it wasn't just their conflicting dates.

It was them not recognising how frustrating it has been. It was them not committing to trying to do better next time. It was giving them an opportunity to improve - and not seeing improvements. And it was hearing that they had lied to other customers, by saying they had emailed them about delays. I didn't get any email about delays, not until I had to work hard to find out where my order was. I wanted to get a straight answer from them - and I don't feel I actually ever got one.

So below is their response to my recent email, and then my response back to them. In short, out of principle I want a refund. I really don't want to support a company like this, and it really has made me think about the sort of companies I will purchase from in the future. This may not be the best decision or the easiest one - as I like the looks of their products. However, for me this decision has been very influenced by their poor communication.

I wish everyone the best of experiences with them, both now and into the future. But I wouldn't buy anything from them ever again. Thanks for reading, and sorry if you don't agree with my stance or perspectives. My decision is based on really poor efforts in their customer service, which to me is important.

Their reply:
Hi,
Thanks for your note, and again, my apologies that our notes have been confusing to you.
As I mentioned yesterday, we're doing our best to work through the queue of people who have ordered 15" City Slickers. We make these by hand and sometimes we get more done in a day, sometimes fewer.
We've gotten to your order ahead of our estimated ETA and it's ready to ship...but only if you want it. I'll hold on to your case until I hear back. If you'd prefer to cancel your order, we'll credit back your PayPal account for the full $179. If you decide you'd like the case, we'll have it on its way.
I'm sorry that this has been such a bumpy introduction to our company. I do understand your frustration, especially since this is your first order. I'm standing by to do whichever you'd prefer: ship or cancel.
Best regards'.

My final email to them:
'Hi,
Sorry, but with the frustrating experience of poor communication between your company and not just myself - but with other people that have ordered from your company, I want to take a stand and say that service isn't good enough - and I won't accept that this.

So what I want - being clear in my communication - is for a full refund from your company, and for you to not send what I ordered. And I would also like confirmation that this will be done, and for when the payment will be made to me via PayPal, the same method for which I paid for my order back in June.

I can't believe that your company has suggested to other people that ordered this same bag, that you emailed them about delays. You didn't email me about delays, and only provided several conflicting dates via email - after I emailed your company and posted my experiences online. There is nothing else to call what you have told other customers that have shared their own experiences online, other than a lie.

Yep, it has been a bad first time experience with your company. I would not recommend your company to anyone. Even after emailing your company and expressing my frustrations on the poor communication between your company and customers re delays, there was not even the smallest offer to say, hey when your order is ready we will email you. Nor was there any recognition from your company that said you know, we could have handled his better, and in the future we will learn from this.

I will again be sharing me experiences and thoughts on your company's service and communication online. And I hope that this serves not just as a warning to other potential customers, but more importantly that your company needs to improve its communication. I might have been fine with delays, had you promptly told me. But with the amount of work I had to do to even approximate a straight answer (which I don't feel I ever actually got), I felt like I was dealing with some two bit amateur company who just couldn't get their **** together.

I appreciate that you also told me that it's expensive to make bags there in your city. But put yourself in mine and many other customers shoes, including those that don't live in America. I don't know the geography and social and economic conditions of various cities, and to me this just sounds like some lame ass cop out. If that's an issue for you, deal with it. Not all customers want to hear excuse after excuse, especially those that shouldn't have a bearing on their orders. Sure, if there is an issue with not getting materials or the wrong ones, share it. But cost woes are not something all customers want to hear about, and these just sound sadly pathetic'.

Look, I am not defending the company as their communication is lacking but its the same almost everywhere.

If they had shipped defective cases then you would have been crying about or indignant as to how they could ship something bad....

The company did the right thing in this respect they just failed to see the PR pluses by communicating better.

You're cancellation really serves no purpose...you waited all this time only to give up in the 11th hour?

In a couple of weeks this will all be in the past.

A more effective approach is to get all the folks here who feel like you to complain about communication.

I recommend you wait it out as this case is what you want.
 

eron

macrumors 6502
Dec 2, 2008
394
0
I think some people are too used to 'instant' consumerism. That is why manufacturing moves out of their countries. People aren't patient enough to wait for quality goods to be produced the proper way.

Try baking a sourdough bread with a sourdough starter. Or at least learn how it's done. You will appreciate life more.
 

austinguy23

macrumors 6502a
Oct 8, 2008
625
72
I think some people are too used to 'instant' consumerism. That is why manufacturing moves out of their countries. People aren't patient enough to wait for quality goods to be produced the proper way.

Try baking a sourdough bread with a sourdough starter. Or at least learn how it's done. You will appreciate life more.

No, it's labor unions and too much governmental regulation that has led to manufacturing jobs moving overseas from the U.S.
 

Rajpdx

macrumors regular
Jun 16, 2012
182
0
No, it's labor unions and too much governmental regulation that has led to manufacturing jobs moving overseas from the U.S.

No. It's the fact that transport is cheaper, there are fewer import duties than there used to be and the labour in those countries is cheaper because millions of people in those countries are closer to the poverty line or under it.

And by poverty line I mean $1 per day. Eventually they'll be rich enough to buy some of what we produce. At the moment and historically most trade in the world is rich nations trading with other rich nations. Poor nations gradually work their way in. It's always been like that.
 

TLewis

macrumors 65816
Sep 19, 2007
1,311
129
No. It's the fact that transport is cheaper, there are fewer import duties than there used to be and the labour in those countries is cheaper because millions of people in those countries are closer to the poverty line or under it.

And by poverty line I mean $1 per day.
This. Most consumers are cheap b*st**ds, want to pay as little as possible, and really don't think about the fact that this causes jobs to go overseas.
 

Fortimir

macrumors 6502a
Sep 5, 2007
669
435
Indianapolis, IN
I went with the picasolab guy... should have it by the end of the week.

I like that too! Can you weigh it when you get yours?
It seems like a quality product, but I know good quality leather is heavy. So I might not like the additional weight.

I can weigh it for you in a couple days.

Well he is running late. And has not really shared that info I had to ask.

He told me about 10 days ago he was just waiting on the leather to arrive at that time.

All you PicasoLab lovers may be interested to know that my retina sleeve JUST shipped. http://www.etsy.com/listing/102767245/monogram-full-case-black-n-red-for

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I am not bitching because of the changes in delivery dates. I am just not impressed that I have had to chase this order up at almost every stage, and invest way too much time than what I should have.

I'm one of the people waiting on this bag who had to contact them for an update. I expressed my concern and asked for priority shipping upgrade, which they are honoring.

How much TIME did you waste on this? I know I wasted 120 seconds in writing an e-mail and reading their reply. They aren't trying to shaft us. Lauches of new products or making business changes can be bumpy for any business. Relax. They had your bag ready for you, even.

I deal with e-mails like yours in my retail day job. I can't begin to tell you how awful it makes us feel when we're doing everything we can.
 

Fortimir

macrumors 6502a
Sep 5, 2007
669
435
Indianapolis, IN
All you PicasoLab lovers may be interested to know that my retina sleeve JUST shipped. http://www.etsy.com/listing/102767245/monogram-full-case-black-n-red-for

Did he give you shipping info? He told me mine shipped as well but its my first time using etsy and I saw no additional info.[/QUOTE]

My USPS e-mail does have my shipping address in it.

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did either of you get the black on black? wanna see some close up pics of it.

Wasn't even a black on black option when I ordered in mid June. I would have picked the red stitching anyway, not that the black stitching would look bad. Just LOVE the GT red/black look.
 
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