macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread

[Banan4eto]

Hello,

Just sharing some info. Macbook Pro 5,1 (late 2008). Clean installed with the latest patcher 0.1b10. Everything went fine with the installation. Regarding iSight camera. When I FIRST start facetime, the camera is working, but is a little bit sluggish. If I FIRST start Photo Booth, I get a black screen. Immediately afterwards I start Facetime and again black screen. If it is of any help.

Thanks to all who make this possible!

 

[Luckygreek]

This is all fellow unsupported iMac users, due to the fact that graphics are unsupported, at this point anyway, what I have noticed is that WindowServer "which is a system service that acts as the liaison between OS X apps and your Mac's graphics hardware. Basically, if an app wants to draw something on your Mac's screen, WindowServer is the one telling the graphics card what and where to draw it". That being said if you find your Mac struggling, check Activity Monitor and see if WindowServer is taking up all your resources, if it is what I found, sometimes a reboot will help, not always. In my case running on 2010 iMac, it's more often than not, helps. The fact that it takes an unusual amount of CPU is in most cases due to the fact that some apps aren't very good at communicating what they want WindowServer to do for them or get stuck in a loop asking it to do the same task over and over again, hence the restart.
MenuMeters is a great app to monitor CPU's, disk activity, network & RAM usage & it's free. I'm in no way affiliated with MenuMeters, just been using it for years.
Link below.
https://member.ipmu.jp/yuji.tachikawa/MenuMetersElCapitan/

 

[Michael Mrak]

It already does.

Oh great

 

[TimothyR734]

I downloaded and used Mac fan control and use ambient settings for all that way the fans are quite

Temps still seem strangely high. I am running Fanny under Mojave and my CPU temp hovers around 60C with no stress.

when the back feels hot enough to burn my hand I turn it off when I installed Mojave you could have fried an egg on the back of the iMac

 

[pkouame]

Hello,

Just sharing some info. Macbook Pro 5,1 (late 2008). Clean installed with the latest patcher 0.1b10. Everything went fine with the installation. Regarding iSight camera. When I FIRST start facetime, the camera is working, but is a little bit sluggish. If I FIRST start Photo Booth, I get a black screen. Immediately afterwards I start Facetime and again black screen. If it is of any help.

Thanks to all who make this possible!

Brilliant! You get the prize!

On my mbp 5,3 - A straight b9 install with Mojave beta 3 with no IOUSB kext swaps ...

So I started FaceTime first and let is stew a bit longer than usual. Yes, sluggish and black screen, but then it prompts and suggests a restart. After which, FaceTime and PhotoBooth and iSight are all working in parallel no matter what order I start them up in. Even after multiple restarts.

Thanks! Much simpler than I thought this would be.

Somehow FaceTime reconfigures some optimal persistent settings.

Very cool. Thanks man!

 

[Luckygreek]

when the back feels hot enough to burn my hand I turn it off when I installed Mojave you could have fried an egg on the back of the iMac

You can probably thank WindowServer for that. I had the same issue.

 

[0403979]

when the back feels hot enough to burn my hand I turn it off when I installed Mojave you could have fried an egg on the back of the iMac

Multipurpose iMac and frying pan.

 

[ASentientBot]

prompts and suggests a restart

Got a screenshot of that? I'm in no way doubting you, that just sounds really interesting though! Never seen an app do anything of the sort.

 

[pkouame]

Got a screenshot of that? I'm in no way doubting you, that just sounds really interesting though! Never seen an app do anything of the sort.

I can guarantee you it does if you wait long enough (at least on my system). There is something like a dark gray screen swipe - back to black, then a popup with a yellow warning icon claiming it's not getting a video stream that may be "fixed after restart". I can't reproduce it since it seems fixed now whether I start PhotoBooth first or not.

If it happens again I'll capture the screen. Darn should have thought of that.

Maybe @Banan4eto can get a screen grab of FaceTime stuttering.

 

[TimothyR734]

Got a screenshot of that? I'm in no way doubting you, that just sounds really interesting though! Never seen an app do anything of the sort.

I had the same message pop up when I tried using FaceTime with my iSight on my iMac 8,1 when I had macOS Mojave on it but I went back to High Sierra to see if my temps are lower I am worried about it catching on fire if leaving it on for more than a hour

 

[pkouame]

I had the same message pop up when I tried using FaceTime with my iSight on my iMac 8,1 when I had macOS Mojave on it but I went back to High Sierra to see if my temps are lower I am worried about it catching on fire if leaving it on for more than a hour

grab a screenshot for @ASentientBot if you ever reinstall Mojave and have a dysfunctional iSight.

Watch out with high core temps on iMacs. A buddy of mine with a much more expensive 2012 27" iMac blew his motherboards consistently while overclocking with smc fancontrols. He was doing some intense video compression at the time and needed to blast all cores to the max. Still $35 for an iMac 8,1 - what a deal!

 

[ASentientBot]

If it happens again I'll capture the screen. Darn should have thought of that.

No worries, I don't actually intend to use the screenshot for anything. Just curiosity is all. It's really interesting that it was only fixed after that message appeared, though. I wonder what FaceTime does to fix it.

In any case, congrats on the (weird!) fix

 

[Banan4eto]

Brilliant! You get the prize!

On my mbp 5,3 - A straight b9 install with Mojave beta 3 with no IOUSB kext swaps ...

So I started FaceTime first and let is stew a bit longer than usual. Yes, sluggish and black screen, but then it prompts and suggests a restart. After which, FaceTime and PhotoBooth and iSight are all working in parallel no matter what order I start them up in. Even after multiple restarts.

Thanks! Much simpler than I thought this would be.

Somehow FaceTime reconfigures some optimal persistent settings.

Very cool. Thanks man!

Thanks for the follow up. First time I just didn't wait long enough to see this message appear. Now after the message, I manually restarted my Mac and it did like dual restart (after the reboot, when the logo appeared on the screen for 2-3 seconds, my Mac restarted again automatically), but it did not fix my iSight camera. I will attach a screenshot with the message:

 

[pkouame]

No worries, I don't actually intend to use the screenshot for anything. Just curiosity is all. It's really interesting that it was only fixed after that message appeared, though. I wonder what FaceTime does to fix it.

In any case, congrats on the (weird!) fix

Yeah very weird. If you check your console log while FaceTime boots up you'll notice ALOT of activity, which explains the apparent sluggishness on my older machine. Apple touts a completely revamped Mojave FaceTime that supports high bandwidth multi stream video conferencing, so this is a new beast. Not sure about the PhotoBooth vs FaceTime order thing. Very strange but it works and I'm too tired to reimage and reproduce. Maybe when the new beta comes out soon... Still a mystery.

Best
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Thanks for the follow up. First time I just didn't wait long enough to see this message appear. Now after the message, I manually restarted my Mac and it did like dual restart (after the reboot, when the logo appeared on the screen for 2-3 seconds, my Mac restarted again automatically), but it did not fix my iSight camera. I will attach a screenshot with the message:
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Yup - that's the one I got. To be clear - the minute I got the popup I unplugged all my USB devices (they maybe on the same bus and I had the USB patcher plugged in) and restarted as suggested. FaceTime and PhotoBooth have been working ever since. Maybe it's a hit or miss thing. Try it a few times.

 

[TimothyR734]

grab a screenshot for @ASentientBot if you ever reinstall Mojave and have a dysfunctional iSight.

Watch out with high core temps on iMacs. A buddy of mine with a much more expensive 2012 27" iMac blew his motherboards consistently while overclocking with smc fancontrols. He was doing some intense video compression at the time and needed to blast all cores to the max. Still $35 for an iMac 8,1 - what a deal!

yes it is a good price I don't know the first thing in overclocking so no worries there the actual CPU sped is supposed to be 3.06 but its 3.09 I will reinstall Mojave tomorrow and try to get a picture of the message if I'm fast enough Banan4eto got it

 

[Badruzeus]

..., but it did not fix my iSight camera.

Try installing "CamTwist" as helper app for iSight. Reboot once installed, go to app Preferences - Video Devices, and make sure that iSight is selected. Plz note, that you have to run CamTwist along with PhotoBooth, FaceTime, etc. But, if the problem is still persist.. maybe USB *.kext problem, or graphics accel, or OpenCL/GL.. not sure.

 

[pkouame]

yes it is a good price I don't know the first thing in overclocking so no worries there the actual CPU sped is supposed to be 3.06 but its 3.09 I will reinstall Mojave tomorrow and try to get a picture of the message if I'm fast enough Banan4eto got it

I have your iMac and it's stuck on Sierra - kids use it. It does get hotter than the devil's armpit I wouldn't disable the fans if I were you - heat and its dissipation is a chips biggest enemy (I've water cooled enough hardware to know)

Is it running hotter under Mojave?

 

[TimothyR734]

I have your iMac and it's stuck on Sierra - kids use it. It does get hotter than the devil's armpit I wouldn't disable the fans if I were you - heat and its dissipation is a chips biggest enemy (I've water cooled enough hardware to know)

Is it running hotter under Mojave?

if it is the same model as my iMac you can run High Sierra on it dosdude has a macOS High Sierra Patcher on the OP on macOS High Sierra for unsupported Macs and running macron control on ambient setting is running much cooler than Mojave

 

[pkouame]

if it is the same model as my iMac you can run High Sierra on it dosdude has a macOS High Sierra Patcher on the OP on macOS High Sierra for unsupported Macs and running macron control on ambient setting is running much cooler than Mojave

This is still beta software (with a lot of debug and instrumented code), so there's a very decent chance Mojave will run smoother (and cooler) on release. We'll probably get a new version this week. I'm out for the night. This was productive. Best of luck.

 

[durika175]

Still having issue with temps in Mojave. 65°C CPU with nothing doing (and 3000rpms fans)
Also camera issues and Mojave is taking too much storage. Before install I've created 80GB partition (I hoped that will be enough) but 70GB is taken by system and 3GB free. I can't resize that partition. (Macintosh HD is High Sierra. Mojave is Mojave) . I would like to shrink High Sierra partition and extend Mojave. Thanks for help.

EDIT: My temps are high because photoanalysisd . The system is processing your photos.

This command will quit photoanalysisd task and prevent it from appearing in future:

launchctl unload -w /System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.photoanalysisd.plist

To re-enable photoanalysisd:

launchctl load -w /System/Library/LaunchAgents/com.apple.photoanalysisd.plist

Works on Mojave without issues.

 

[jackluke]

Important advice for all and mainly to those who experience higher temperature:

today I noticed my temps (both in HS and MJ) suddenly ramping, then watching at Activity Monitor I find that YaraScanService process, triggered by some third party apps, started eating high CPU and in few minutes all my 8 GB RAM and more, then I forced closing.
Usually in normal daily use I do not ever sature more than half of the physical RAM quantity.

Reading somewhere I find that also others had the same issue then discovered that:

Yara service is part of the new Apple MalwareRemovalTool here is the path: /System/Library/CoreServices/MRT.app

And it has a framework too in /S/L/PrivateFrameworks/yara.framework

Some users reporting that this service went in conflict with some installed apps consuming more CPU and Memory and with SIP disabled they had removed MRT.app and his framework.

I think in my specific case was caused by installing a third party app, so I will not remove them but in extremis cases I will.

And it seems this framework is called also by others AntiVirus/AntiMalware Mac softwares.

Anyway be careful with high temperatures and keep ever an eye in Activity Monitor.


EDIT!!!:

I fixed!!! I think this applicable to any similar issue with a process and his relative service/framework eating abnormal RAM quantity and ramping 99% CPU utilization causing higher unwanted temperatures.

Luckily I retain ever a full current MacOS installer app, from there I withdrawn the untouched MRT.app and yara.framework, replaced them and now no more those crazy CPU/RAM issues, I suppose it could be a kind of malware since it opened too thousands ports over the Internet, anyway my last advice is:

When you install a third party app though a DMG just moving the APPNAME.app to Applications folder this is enough SAFE.

Instead be very careful when you install any APPNAME.pkg because this could hide some dangerous/incompatible scripts with your current MacOS.

 

[0403979]

Still having issue with temps in Mojave. 65°C CPU with nothing doing (and 3000rpms fans).
Also camera issues and Mojave is taking too much storage. Before install I've created 80GB partition (I hoped that will be enough) but 70GB is taken by system and 3GB free. I can't resize that partition. (Macintosh HD is High Sierra. Mojave is Mojave) . I would like to shrink High Sierra partition and extend Mojave. Thanks for help.

70GB is way too much to be used by the system.

 

[Larsvonhier]

Got a screenshot of that? I'm in no way doubting you, that just sounds really interesting though! Never seen an app do anything of the sort.

seen this here too, really a "new" suggestion of the App.
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70GB is way too much to be used by the system.

I do not notice huge increases in system drive space usage on various systems (both installed completely fresh and from scratch). How much can be saved by deleting language resources (with Monolingual) - that´s almost always one of the first tasks after installing or updating...
Also - how does CPU usage on supported systems behave in comparison to our machines or to those supported machines running HS?

 

[0403979]

seen this here too, really a "new" suggestion of the App.
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I do not notice huge increases in system drive space usage on various systems (both installed completely fresh and from scratch). How much can be saved by deleting language resources (with Monolingual) - that´s almost always one of the first tasks after installing or updating...
Also - how does CPU usage on supported systems behave in comparison to our machines or to those supported machines running HS?

Languages are probably about 2-3 GB and I would expect CPU usage to stay around the same. These are guesses, I haven’t done testing.

 

[durika175]

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seen this here too, really a "new" suggestion of the App.
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Also - how does CPU usage on supported systems behave in comparison to our machines or to those supported machines running HS?

Mojave is having higher CPU usage than High Sierra, I think because of more animations, processes and also more transparent things. And it's still in Dev Beta 3 so Final Release can be better.