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Yes, the only definite answer is: it depends.

I can only share my personal experience with a system update from devB3 (applied with patcher full-install) to devB4 (after enrolling for developer seed updates) - it required a "post" fix. And the quickest way to do so was to use dosdude1's post-install. You can search this thread for a more detailed account.

I can imagine a scenario where a small Apple patch will not disturb/overwrite/undo a dosdude1 post-install fix: clean.

@dosdude1 also has a patcher update utility, but I'll let him speak to that.

I myself intend on re-applying a clean GM, then dealing with the patches as they come out. This will never be clean and painless, but it's a very small price to pay.

As you can tell, every machine and configuration has its little idiosyncrasies, so gain some experience now with the betas while you can.
I agree with you and I will do a clean install when the GM comes out as well but I am glad I started with High Sierra and learned about the beta process
 
I agree with you and I will do a clean install when the GM comes out as well but I am glad I started with High Sierra and learned about the beta process

There's a good chance dB5 or pB4 will hit the street sometime next week - yet another chance to try this out as this thread heats up again. However, with all the 2018 macbook pro issues who knows... They're burning the midnight oil in Cupertino...
 
There's a good chance dB5 or pB4 will hit the street sometime next week - yet another chance to try this out as this thread heats up again. However, with all the 2018 macbook pro issues who knows... They're burning the midnight oil in Cupertino...
I am glad I didn't rush out and buy one even though I cannot afford it and yes I am looking forward to the next beta release :)
 
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There's a good chance dB5 or pB4 will hit the street sometime next week - yet another chance to try this out as this thread heats up again. However, with all the 2018 macbook pro issues who knows... They're burning the midnight oil in Cupertino...

It seems these days what Apple puts out is garbage these days.. and the 2018 isn't even upgradable compared to 2011/2012 MacBook pros.
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I am glad I didn't rush out and buy one even though I cannot afford it and yes I am looking forward to the next beta release :)

I wouldn't spend 2500.00 on that.. anything Apple puts out so far has been known to have issues.. Its really strange that my MacBook Pro which is a 2011 has no issues, no AMD chip issues at all. I ran 3 hard core video tests and games to be sure and the AMD chip works great. I also used a mod to upgrade the 3000 HD to 1GB.

Apple is not the same when Jobs was alive and i respected him a lot.. I even have a PowerBook G4 which is still running though old.
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I am glad I didn't rush out and buy one even though I cannot afford it and yes I am looking forward to the next beta release :)

Timothy, if you can and this is what i plan to do - get yourself a 2012 MacBook pro which will run Mojave with no issues.. either that or if you want Retina, make sure its 16GB because anything after non-retina is practically not upgradable.. U can find them for cheap on eBay or Amazon, but just be sure its a 2012, so you can upgrade the memory and hard drive.. Retina should already be 16GB, but the only thing in there you can upgrade will be the micro SSD.
 
It seems these days what Apple puts out is garbage these days.. and the 2018 isn't even upgradable compared to 2011/2012 MacBook pros.
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I wouldn't spend 2500.00 on that.. anything Apple puts out so far has been known to have issues.. Its really strange that my MacBook Pro which is a 2011 has no issues, no AMD chip issues at all. I ran 3 hard core video tests and games to be sure and the AMD chip works great. I also used a mod to upgrade the 3000 HD to 1GB.

Apple is not the same when Jobs was alive and i respected him a lot.. I even have a PowerBook G4 which is still running though old.
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Timothy, if you can and this is what i plan to do - get yourself a 2012 MacBook pro which will run Mojave with no issues.. either that or if you want Retina, make sure its 16GB because anything after non-retina is practically not upgradable.. U can find them for cheap on eBay or Amazon, but just be sure its a 2012, so you can upgrade the memory and hard drive.. Retina should already be 16GB, but the only thing in there you can upgrade will be the micro SSD.
Thank you I will check out eBay
 
Thank you I will check out eBay
I would also check out the 2014 rMBP.
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It seems these days what Apple puts out is garbage these days.. and the 2018 isn't even upgradable compared to 2011/2012 MacBook pros.
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I wouldn't spend 2500.00 on that.. anything Apple puts out so far has been known to have issues.. Its really strange that my MacBook Pro which is a 2011 has no issues, no AMD chip issues at all. I ran 3 hard core video tests and games to be sure and the AMD chip works great. I also used a mod to upgrade the 3000 HD to 1GB.

Apple is not the same when Jobs was alive and i respected him a lot.. I even have a PowerBook G4 which is still running though old.
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Timothy, if you can and this is what i plan to do - get yourself a 2012 MacBook pro which will run Mojave with no issues.. either that or if you want Retina, make sure its 16GB because anything after non-retina is practically not upgradable.. U can find them for cheap on eBay or Amazon, but just be sure its a 2012, so you can upgrade the memory and hard drive.. Retina should already be 16GB, but the only thing in there you can upgrade will be the micro SSD.
I wouldn't exactly call it garbage.
I'm a very harsh critic of Infinity Loop, tough love, but pop open a new iMac pro or 2018 mbp and the engineering is awe inspiring. Yes, there are some deep systemic management issues post SJ, but they struggle with the form versus function thing. It's becoming technically very difficult to squeeze in all that power in a sleek chassis. Symptomatic of engineering versus marketing at odds with each other.
 
I would also check out the 2014 rMBP.
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I wouldn't exactly call it garbage.
I'm a very harsh critic of Infinity Loop, tough love, but pop open a new iMac pro or 2018 mbp and the engineering is awe inspiring. Yes, there are some deep systemic management issues post SJ, but they struggle with the form versus function thing. It's becoming technically very difficult to squeeze in all that power in a sleek chassis. Symptomatic of engineering versus marketing at odds with each other.
thank you :)
 
I would also check out the 2014 rMBP.
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I wouldn't exactly call it garbage.
I'm a very harsh critic of Infinity Loop, tough love, but pop open a new iMac pro or 2018 mbp and the engineering is awe inspiring. Yes, there are some deep systemic management issues post SJ, but they struggle with the form versus function thing. It's becoming technically very difficult to squeeze in all that power in a sleek chassis. Symptomatic of engineering versus marketing at odds with each other.

Well, the Apple I remember is the Apple of Steve Jobs.. this Apple is not the same.. and for what they did to Iphone users is not right.. forcing us to buy new stuff as soon as it comes out.. Yes, I will get an iPhone 8 soon, but right now I have my iPhone 6 plus which works just fine.
 
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Thanks for your suggestion, but no, sadly this procedure does not work. Still crashes even with Video Autoplay set manually to off. See the screenshots.View attachment 772975View attachment 772976View attachment 772977

Ok, from the picture you attached I have understood why your issues.

You are NOT on Mojave beta 4 build 18A336e, since in beta 4 the App Store's Preferences pane has slightly changed.
You haven't updated and are still on a previous beta Mojave, perhaps it's a beta 2 build 18A314k yours.

Anyway in your case try to disable from AppStore's Preferences "Automatic Updates" too.

OR when you will update to beta 4 re-try again and all the methods posted should 100% work.
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Even a 10-year old MacPro 3,1 can reach good Wifi (card from iMac 2014) and Ethernet speeds when it has the right settings and a fast server to connect to.
Top shot is WiFi to AEBS 802.11n
Second shot is WiFi to R7000 802.11 ac
Third shot is Gbps Eth0
All to a 20 Gbps server on other side of Tokyo connected by 1 Gbps fiber
View attachment 772979View attachment 772980 View attachment 772981

Agree, infact if you read well I've told to dsfser that his Upload's freezing was due to that old PCIex Wifi card from a 2009 MBP so the card was from 2008/2009 and probably did not hold up that higher bandwidth especially in the Upload phase.

The 20Gbps server side Tokyo you are speaking, where I am located typically are used ETH cabled compliance I guess Cat.8 twisted pair or maybe other kinds of fiber like yours, and if you read carefully I suggested to that guy to use the ETH cable and it worked too. Cause ethernet of course through the copper/fiber cables can hold up much more bandwidth and better resistance to higher temperatures.
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How can I get night shift on 2010 MCP without breaking it, the github one does not work

Try the Corebrightness manual patch on thread page 87.
 
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I can assure you this 27 iMac is running the 18A336e beta 4. It was installed from a beta 4 full installer into a cleanly formatted SSD with no previous macOS on it.

I'll post a screenshot in a minute.


Ok, from the picture you attached I have understood why your issues.

You are NOT on Mojave beta 4 build 18A336e, since in beta 4 the App Store's Preferences pane has slightly changed.
You haven't updated and are still on a previous beta Mojave, perhaps it's a beta 2 build 18A314k yours.

Anyway in your case try to disable from AppStore's Preferences "Automatic Updates" too.

OR when you will update to beta 4 re-try again and all the methods posted should 100% work.
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Agree, infact if you read well I've told to dsfser that his Upload's freezing was due to that old PCIex Wifi card from a 2009 MBP so the card was from 2008/2009 and probably did not hold up that higher bandwidth especially in the Upload phase.

The 20Gbps server side Tokyo you are speaking, where I am located typically are used ETH cabled compliance I guess Cat.8 twisted pair or maybe other kinds of fiber like yours, and if you read carefully I suggested to that guy to use the ETH cable and it worked too. Cause ethernet of course through the copper/fiber cables can hold up much more bandwidth and better resistance to higher temperatures.
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Try the Corebrightness manual patch on thread page 87.
Ok, from the picture you attached I have understood why your issues.

You are NOT on Mojave beta 4 build 18A336e, since in beta 4 the App Store's Preferences pane has slightly changed.
You haven't updated and are still on a previous beta Mojave, perhaps it's a beta 2 build 18A314k yours.

Anyway in your case try to disable from AppStore's Preferences "Automatic Updates" too.

OR when you will update to beta 4 re-try again and all the methods posted should 100% work.
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Agree, infact if you read well I've told to dsfser that his Upload's freezing was due to that old PCIex Wifi card from a 2009 MBP so the card was from 2008/2009 and probably did not hold up that higher bandwidth especially in the Upload phase.

The 20Gbps server side Tokyo you are speaking, where I am located typically are used ETH cabled compliance I guess Cat.8 twisted pair or maybe other kinds of fiber like yours, and if you read carefully I suggested to that guy to use the ETH cable and it worked too. Cause ethernet of course through the copper/fiber cables can hold up much more bandwidth and better resistance to higher temperatures.
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Try the Corebrightness manual patch on thread page 87.
 
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View attachment 773013 View attachment 773014 I can assure you this 27 iMac is running the 18A336e beta 4. It was installed from a beta 4 full installer into a cleanly formatted SSD with no previous macOS on it.

I'll post a screenshot in a minute.

My mistake, ok I would think some out of place attempts (exclusively one at once):

- try to disable from App Store's pref "Automatic Updates"
- try to launch App Store in Finder "dark mode"
- try to remove (take a backup for safety) from ~/Library/Containers/com.apple.AppStore/Data/Library/Preferences/
the com.apple.appstore.plist letting App Store to recreate a fresh clean one
- try to reduce your bandwidth maybe is too fast App Store autoplay video streaming even if disabled
- try to desync log out (booting Safe mode) your iTunes account from App Store
 
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Hello everyone owners of Macbook7,1 (and I guess of any C2D Penryn Mac) with Mojave beta 4, I do have a weird issue, everything is working, except into System Preferences when I try to open some elements I got this message:

Preferences Error
"You can’t open
File.prefpane because it doesn’t work on an Intel-based Mac."

Where File.prefpane is any of: Keyboard/Mouse/Trackpad


I have tried replacing them from a previous HS version but it doesn't worked, I mean they have the same behavior.

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Another weird thing is when using "dark mode", opening System Preferences, the "Users & groups" and "Accessibility" panes after opened (they only) turn back in a "light mode" window, while overall is still in dark mode.

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It occurs even on a supported Mac booting from the same Mojave beta 4 external SSD, while instead booting from internal SSD Mojave beta 2 it doesn't occur.

Maybe since those are all usb input devices it's something related to the manual IOUSB*** kext patching or to Mojave beta 4? Hoping is beta 4 general issue.
 
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Hello everyone owners of Macbook7,1 (and I guess of any C2D Penryn Mac) with Mojave beta 4, I do have a weird issue, everything is working, except into System Preferences when I try to open some elements I got this message:

Preferences Error
"You can’t open
File.prefpane because it doesn’t work on an Intel-based Mac."

Where File.prefpane is any of: Keyboard/Mouse/Trackpad


I have tried replacing them from a previous HS version but it doesn't worked, I mean they have the same behavior.

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Another weird thing is when opening in Finder "dark mode" from System Preferences the "Users & groups" and "Accessibility" panes they turn in "light mode".

Um... I don’t really understand.
 
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Perhaps the question I put forth in my previous post was misunderstood so I shall rephrase.

If we successfully use the patcher to ultimately get the golden master of Mojave (final release version) running fine on our unsupported Mac (which in my case is a late 2009 27" iMac i7), what happens when a Mojave update comes out? Must we wait for a revised version of the patcher to install that update? Or will it simply be that because we have Mojave running fine on our patched Mac that updates "just work" as they would on any supported machine?

Why ask this question? Obviously to see how much long term work will be involved to not merely "install Mojave once and that's it" but to see if there is a troublesome routine we must go through for every update? For example, if we have to perform a clean install for every single Mojave update, I myself would consider it too much trouble and not pursue Mojave at all on my 2009 iMac. Perhaps none of you know what will happen until Mojave is released, but I am nevertheless quite curious going forward.

Thanks.

You're about to run a software on a system that is not officially supported. Only because of the hard work a few people did and their wilingness to share this work, it is possible for the most of us after all.
I'm running a cMP 1,1 -> 2,1 with macOS 10.11. All this thanks to a patcher to upgrade the firmware and a fixed boot.efi.
I still have a supoorted OS on that machine to be able to fix the patches in case of an update.
When it comes to mojave I just keep the boot stick and in case of updates or changes I hopefully will be able to fix it with the pachter from the stick. Otherwise I'm pretty sure I will find help here.
Is it more complicated then having a supported mac running mojave? yes! Is it worth it? Well, that depends on you, your curiosity and on the fact if you just have one system you must rely on.
It is more tricky then just buying a new mac, but since there is a great comunity working on it, it's so much easier then it would be without any help.
 
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Well, the Apple I remember is the Apple of Steve Jobs.. this Apple is not the same.. and for what they did to Iphone users is not right.. forcing us to buy new stuff as soon as it comes out.. Yes, I will get an iPhone 8 soon, but right now I have my iPhone 6 plus which works just fine.
Agreed. To become the behemoth that rakes in $15B of pure profit a quarter, they realized the path was to produce disposal appliances and master the upgrade cycle. That approach has bled into enthusiast desktops and laptops. We have to face it: we are no longer their bread and butter market. Their best and brightest heads of software and hardware engineering (like Forstall and Mansfield) have long since left the company since they are no longer led by a pure technologist/evangelist. Thankfully, things like that can change. Meanwhile, we keep these vintage classics alive...
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Hello everyone owners of Macbook7,1 (and I guess of any C2D Penryn Mac) with Mojave beta 4, I do have a weird issue, everything is working, except into System Preferences when I try to open some elements I got this message:

Preferences Error
"You can’t open
File.prefpane because it doesn’t work on an Intel-based Mac."

Where File.prefpane is any of: Keyboard/Mouse/Trackpad


I have tried replacing them from a previous HS version but it doesn't worked, I mean they have the same behavior.

edit:
Another weird thing is when using "dark mode", opening System Preferences, the "Users & groups" and "Accessibility" panes after opened (they only) turn back in a "light mode" window, while overall is still in dark mode.

edit2:
It occurs even on a supported Mac booting from the same Mojave beta 4 external SSD, while instead booting from internal SSD Mojave beta 2 it doesn't occur.

Maybe since those are all usb input devices it's something related to the manual IOUSB*** kext patching or to Mojave beta 4? Hoping is beta 4 general issue.
My keyboard prefpane is working fine on both my Mojave b4 machines. So definitely not a b4 general issue.
 
My keyboard prefpane is working fine on both my Mojave b4 machines. So definitely not a b4 general issue.

Oh well, maybe I've done too many experiments in manual patching and in-place upgrades, and that is an external SSD I use for many machines with a fixed all-in-one-prelinkedkernel, perhaps something being corrupted, already tried everything to fix but I still get that weird message only when opening Keyboard/Mouse/Trackpad, I think it's time for a installing from scratch.

Anyway to those who occur into similar issues, as ever there are many workaround, for example if I need to modify my trackpad setting from Terminal or plist editor can be quitely done without the handy GUI pref-panel:

defaults read com.apple.AppleMultitouchTrackpad
defaults write... and so on.
 
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I eperienced a weird performance behavior. As soon as I have safari open and tab to, for example system preferences, check something and tab back the spinning wheel appears for maybe two seconds until safari is accessible again.
Anyone else with this issue?
 
only my experience with MacPro3,1!
If I install a GT210 in addition to the HD5770 in the MacPro3,1, then the GT210 takes over the acceleration for the HD5770.

Configuration:
Monitor1 is connected to HD5770
Monitor2 is connected to GT210

Both monitors now have a transparent dock.
Even if I remove the Monitor2, then the GT210 continues to work and Monitor1 has a transparent dock

Too bad that the HD5770 is not working anymore. Maybe there will be something else.
After all these years worth for me no change to the GTX680 more.
Ok, all right, Sierra and HS work perfectly with the HD5770.
If there is something new, let me know.
 
I eperienced a weird performance behavior. As soon as I have safari open and tab to, for example system preferences, check something and tab back the spinning wheel appears for maybe two seconds until safari is accessible again.
Anyone else with this issue?
Yes, I am having similar issues with the spinning wheel, I assumed it is just from being a beta.....
 
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I have a couple small issues in my Mojave usage. When quitting apps, most of the time there's a decent delay before the app quits. If I just close an app and reopen it later that's fluid and normal, but totally quitting an app hangs before doing so. Also, every other day or so the system slows considerably to an almost unusable pace and needs to be rebooted to fix this issue. I know it's a beta and won't be perfect, but just stating my issue to see if I'm the only one.

Also, bluetooth isn't great on my MacMini (very choppy), I had to stop using my Logitech MX Master via bluetooth (and logitech software won't install so I can't use the adapter) and go back to my old school wired apple mouse.
 
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