macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread

[pkouame]

Here's a grim prediction about macOS 10.15, macOS updates, macOS installers, and macOS patchers. Next year, when Apple introduces macOS 10.15, the following things relating to macOS updates, macOS installers, and macOS patchers will have changed:

• There will no longer be downloadable macOS installers
• There will no longer be macOS installer partitions
• There will no longer be downloadable macOS updates
• All updates will be done from System Preferences
• All reinstalls will be done from macOS Recovery or macOS Internet Recovery

The removal of access to the macOS installation and update files will make macOS patching much more complicated if not impossible. If someone has any thoughts on this, reply to this post. Remember, this is just my prediction but with updates in macOS 10.14 being in System Preferences and downloadable installers no longer being available on the 10.14 App Store, this looks like it's an unavoidable future. (Mention me in replies.)

Grim Indeed!

But hey, we're already able to intercept every package they download via system update. So I don't see that really being a problem. From there creating external media installers, if need be, will also not be an issue. Everything done via patcher can also be done manually.

I think the real issue for "unsupported" devices is if the scheme to recognize compatible configurations goes beyond just checking for local hardware signatures (cpu types and features, model and system ids etc.) Which is how we currently spoof the installers. If they ever implement an install system requiring a live connection to whatever certification authorities (to validate encrypted public and private hardware keys), then we're really cooked!

If they also decide to completely (not just deprecate) existing frameworks (like OpenGL and OpeCl) our old clunkers will be in a world of hurt. For example, you can't just drop HS OpenGL framework in Mojave seamlessly - it just doesn't work that way.

I believe 10.15 will drop HFS+ for good. Supporting the two will just become too difficult (even for Apple)

I also believe 10.15 will leverage even more from T2 hardware encryption and BridgeOS - it's all becoming very proprietary private and closed source...But this and the hackintosh community are very resourceful...

It's all good...

 

[Balaur]

If you already have telemetry removed, but still have keyboard not recognized with system loop reboot in your Mojave, then follow this tip, it should work, from your High Sierra copy/replace all the 5 (they are five) IOUSB***.kexts into your Mojave /System/Library/Extensions/

.......

You should have a couple of Mojave reboot then it should boot normally.


if still not work, after replaced all the 5 IOUSB from HS try this:

Boot from Mojave USB Installer, select Post Install, choose you Mac Model, but this time de-select any patch related to USB, and last most important select "Force rebuild cache"

......

Hello. I still have no luck. After following your instructions about the five kext file, I let the machine reboot several times until it eventually booted back in High Sierra. I then proceeded to the second hint. After reboot in single user mode the keyboard is still not working. You can see some messages about USB : AppleUSBHostPort::disconnect: persistent enumeration failures.

The last line appeared after I connected my keyboard to another USB port of the iMac.

Anyway thank you very much for helping me to try to bring back to life Mojave.

 

[ivnj]

Well my 2011 mini is no longer supported looks like. I will be stuck with high Sierra forever. So for now good. But when will that need replacing. In other words how long before high Sierra becomes unusable. Like how long before I can't even post here. I have other devices so I am not worried. Just curious. Like safari or Firefox for example still update or work on how far back. Like 10.7 0r 8 is probably obsolete now. Or do they still make browsers. I ask but my g5 imac is obsolete stuck on ppc (not intel) 10.5.8. No browsers work on that for todays website. And please don't say 104fox. All these third party don't work and are useless. And security updates. Apple goes back how far. Only 3 systems I believe. I think 10.9 or 10.10 is no longer getting updates or is it. How far do they go back. Of course as long as it works it will be useful. But realistically it won't be 5 or 10 years from now.

 

[TimothyR734]

Grim Indeed!

But hey, we're already able to intercept every package they download via system update. So I don't see that really being a problem. From there creating external media installers, if need be, will also not be an issue. Everything done via patcher can also be done manually.

I think the real issue for "unsupported" devices is if the scheme to recognize compatible configurations goes beyond just checking for local hardware signatures (cpu types and features, model and system ids etc.) Which is how we currently spoof the installers. If they ever implement an install system requiring a live connection to whatever certification authorities (to validate encrypted public and private hardware keys), then we're really cooked!

If they also decide to completely (not just deprecate) existing frameworks (like OpenGL and OpeCl) our old clunkers will be in a world of hurt. For example, you can't just drop HS OpenGL framework in Mojave seamlessly - it just doesn't work that way.

I believe 10.15 will drop HFS+ for good. Supporting the two will just become too difficult (even for Apple)

I also believe 10.15 will leverage even more from T2 hardware encryption and BridgeOS - it's all becoming very proprietary private and closed source...But this and the hackintosh community are very resourceful...

It's all good...

I also saw that Apple wants our iPhones to be our identification card and they are working on bringing face and finger ID to Mac's so that we will most likely need our iPhone's to login into our mac's and will check our model ID and hardware id's and if that fails no login but that would be evil

 

[arqueox]

Grim Indeed!

But hey, we're already able to intercept every package they download via system update. So I don't see that really being a problem. From there creating external media installers, if need be, will also not be an issue. Everything done via patcher can also be done manually.

I think the real issue for "unsupported" devices is if the scheme to recognize compatible configurations goes beyond just checking for local hardware signatures (cpu types and features, model and system ids etc.) Which is how we currently spoof the installers. If they ever implement an install system requiring a live connection to whatever certification authorities (to validate encrypted public and private hardware keys), then we're really cooked!

If they also decide to completely (not just deprecate) existing frameworks (like OpenGL and OpeCl) our old clunkers will be in a world of hurt. For example, you can't just drop HS OpenGL framework in Mojave seamlessly - it just doesn't work that way.

I believe 10.15 will drop HFS+ for good. Supporting the two will just become too difficult (even for Apple)

I also believe 10.15 will leverage even more from T2 hardware encryption and BridgeOS - it's all becoming very proprietary private and closed source...But this and the hackintosh community are very resourceful...

It's all good...

What did I tell ya about apple master plan to force people update their devices of they want the latest software...that was my first thought when I saw the problems on light mode... Which doesn't mean, of course, I am right in this particular case.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

I thought my Radeon 7950 would qualify for a Mojave Install on my Mac Pro 4,1 w/ 5,1 firmware, but will I ever be able to get beyond this or do I need a different AMD graphics card?

 

[TimothyR734]

Well my 2011 mini is no longer supported looks like. I will be stuck with high Sierra forever. So for now good. But when will that need replacing. In other words how long before high Sierra becomes unusable. Like how long before I can't even post here. I have other devices so I am not worried. Just curious. Like safari or Firefox for example still update or work on how far back. Like 10.7 0r 8 is probably obsolete now. Or do they still make browsers. I ask but my g5 imac is obsolete stuck on ppc (not intel) 10.5.8. No browsers work on that for todays website. And please don't say 104fox. All these third party don't work and are useless. And security updates. Apple goes back how far. Only 3 systems I believe. I think 10.9 or 10.10 is no longer getting updates or is it. How far do they go back. Of course as long as it works it will be useful. But realistically it won't be 5 or 10 years from now.

If you check the OP your Mac mini should run MacOS Mojave using the MacOS Mojave patcher on the OP
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I thought my Radeon 7950 would qualify for a Mojave Install on my Mac Pro 4,1 w/ 5,1 firmware, but will I ever be able to get beyond this or do I need a different AMD graphics card?View attachment 777263

Are you using the MacOS Mojave patcher on the OP as far as I know AMD/ATI GPU will run Mojave without graphics acceleration. YOU would need to go into the accessibility in the system preferences and check the reduced transparency

 

[Olivia88]

If you check the OP your Mac mini should run MacOS Mojave using the MacOS Mojave patcher on the OP

Not if it has a amd gpu

 

[latndude]

I thought my Radeon 7950 would qualify for a Mojave Install on my Mac Pro 4,1 w/ 5,1 firmware, but will I ever be able to get beyond this or do I need a different AMD graphics card?View attachment 777263

It should install I have same situation , and I have been running Mojave since the first beta , lost my iSight and brightness control on the LED 24 Cinema Display , tried everything , but deducted the USB part of the monitor is finished , replacing it this week with another , not a good tbing but found one on eBay for 150 dollars . so I will keep both , since the card supports 2 mini displays monitors, and by the way "no boot screen with the AMD Radeon 7950 Mac edition , but latest firmware alouds this cards and others to upgrade firmwares without being specifically Apple blesssed cards .

 

[flygbuss]

I also saw that Apple wants our iPhones to be our identification card and they are working on bringing face and finger ID to Mac's so that we will most likely need our iPhone's to login into our mac's and will check our model ID and hardware id's and if that fails no login but that would be evil

I'm pretty certain they will not force you to buy an iphone just to be able to use a mac.

Well my 2011 mini is no longer supported looks like. I will be stuck with high Sierra forever. So for now good. But when will that need replacing. In other words how long before high Sierra becomes unusable. Like how long before I can't even post here. I have other devices so I am not worried. Just curious. Like safari or Firefox for example still update or work on how far back. Like 10.7 0r 8 is probably obsolete now. Or do they still make browsers. I ask but my g5 imac is obsolete stuck on ppc (not intel) 10.5.8. No browsers work on that for todays website. And please don't say 104fox. All these third party don't work and are useless. And security updates. Apple goes back how far. Only 3 systems I believe. I think 10.9 or 10.10 is no longer getting updates or is it. How far do they go back. Of course as long as it works it will be useful. But realistically it won't be 5 or 10 years from now.

I still have an old 2006 cMP 1,1 maxed out and upgraded to cMP 2,1 running 10.11.6 and
I'm still getting security updates for it. Of course it's not supposed to be like this (the last officially supported OS is 10.7) although not bad at all for a 12 year old machine.
But to be honest even maxed out with RAM, 4K GPU and Display, 3 ghz 8C, it doesn't stand a chance against a MBPr from 2013, especially when it comes to single core performance.
Also the power consumption is huge compared to newer macs.

I love the community to make all this happen and I'm glad that we can use our old machines as long as possible
(I don't know a single person who uses a more then 10 year old windows machine or notebook).
But I think at some point there is a line when it simply doesn't make sense anymore. Especially when this computer is your main working machine.

Thanks again for all the work and afford people here are contributing to this project.
Because of the fact that a lot of devices from years way earlier then 2012 are capable of the task Mojave, I think we haven't passed that line with our machines yet. For everything else: This is the future and as always, hard to predict.

 

[0403979]

Grim Indeed!

But hey, we're already able to intercept every package they download via system update. So I don't see that really being a problem. From there creating external media installers, if need be, will also not be an issue. Everything done via patcher can also be done manually.

I think the real issue for "unsupported" devices is if the scheme to recognize compatible configurations goes beyond just checking for local hardware signatures (cpu types and features, model and system ids etc.) Which is how we currently spoof the installers. If they ever implement an install system requiring a live connection to whatever certification authorities (to validate encrypted public and private hardware keys), then we're really cooked!

If they also decide to completely (not just deprecate) existing frameworks (like OpenGL and OpeCl) our old clunkers will be in a world of hurt. For example, you can't just drop HS OpenGL framework in Mojave seamlessly - it just doesn't work that way.

I believe 10.15 will drop HFS+ for good. Supporting the two will just become too difficult (even for Apple)

I also believe 10.15 will leverage even more from T2 hardware encryption and BridgeOS - it's all becoming very proprietary private and closed source...But this and the hackintosh community are very resourceful...

It's all good...

They will probably implement a similar signing system as with IPSWs.

 

[TimothyR734]

I'm pretty certain they will not force you to buy an iphone just to be able to use a mac.



I still have an old 2006 cMP 1,1 maxed out and upgraded to cMP 2,1 running 10.11.6 and
I'm still getting security updates for it. Of course it's not supposed to be like this (the last officially supported OS is 10.7) although not bad at all for a 12 year old machine.
But to be honest even maxed out with RAM, 4K GPU and Display, 3 ghz 8C, it doesn't stand a chance against a MBPr from 2013, especially when it comes to single core performance.
Also the power consumption is huge compared to newer macs.

I love the community to make all this happen and I'm glad that we can use our old machines as long as possible
(I don't know a single person who uses a more then 10 year old windows machine or notebook).
But I think at some point there is a line when it simply doesn't make sense anymore. Especially when this computer is your main working machine.

Thanks again for all the work and afford people here are contributing to this project.
Because of the fact that a lot of devices from years way earlier then 2012 are capable of the task Mojave, I think we haven't passed that line with our machines yet. For everything else: This is the future and as always, hard to predict.

I am not saying they will but for those who do have iPhones it might become part of the 2 step verification just like many have said Apple won't force us on APFS with Mojave guess what gotcha

 

[pkouame]

I'm pretty certain they will not force you to buy an iphone just to be able to use a mac.



I still have an old 2006 cMP 1,1 maxed out and upgraded to cMP 2,1 running 10.11.6 and
I'm still getting security updates for it. Of course it's not supposed to be like this (the last officially supported OS is 10.7) although not bad at all for a 12 year old machine.
But to be honest even maxed out with RAM, 4K GPU and Display, 3 ghz 8C, it doesn't stand a chance against a MBPr from 2013, especially when it comes to single core performance.
Also the power consumption is huge compared to newer macs.

I love the community to make all this happen and I'm glad that we can use our old machines as long as possible
(I don't know a single person who uses a more then 10 year old windows machine or notebook).
But I think at some point there is a line when it simply doesn't make sense anymore. Especially when this computer is your main working machine.

Thanks again for all the work and afford people here are contributing to this project.
Because of the fact that a lot of devices from years way earlier then 2012 are capable of the task Mojave, I think we haven't passed that line with our machines yet. For everything else: This is the future and as always, hard to predict.

Agreed. There is a moment when you reach a point of diminishing return. I give my old devices a few more years before they are salvaged for parts.

The problem is, Apple is spewing out expensive un-configurable and un-expandable eye-candy right now full of bugs and notorious crashes. A major disappointment...My sights are slowly turning to hackintosh as I am still a macOS addict...
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I am not saying they will but for those who do have iPhones it might become part of the 2 step verification just like many have said Apple won't force us on APFS with Mojave guess what gotcha

Spot on! They're forcing 2-step fob like verification down our throats...the roadmap is clearly a very closed and secure architecture.

 

[flygbuss]

I am not saying they will but for those who do have iPhones it might become part of the 2 step verification just like many have said Apple won't force us on APFS with Mojave guess what gotcha

Well, when launchpad was introduced with Lion, a lot of people predicted macOS (or OSX) and iOS will be one OS soon.
A lot of changes do happen quite fast and certainly not all of them are good for everybody.
But I don't think it's gonna be all bad. I mean right now you CAN use your iOS device for a lot of stuff connected to macOS but you don't have to.

Sorry if this got too far from topic, let's focus on what's important right now.

 

[pkouame]

They will probably implement a similar signing system as with IPSWs.

Yeah and beyond. Jailbreaking iPhone's is getting harder and harder...
[doublepost=1534960550][/doublepost]Oh my! I know I'm late on the dp7 to 8 bandwagon, but my system update was silky smooth: woke up the old pro and my system update badge was highlighted. It apparently downloaded in the background cause a restart instantly kicked off. I caught the reboot and avoided the nagging no-entry sign to post-install immediately and voila.

Things are looking much better.

 

[DaniloGeekDude]

@dosdude1

Hi - APFS ROM Patcher has reached a new level of popularity. Would you consider some of these enhancements. I think they can make a world of difference in terms of usability and flexibility:

- an option to simply copy (backup) the current rom without flashing

- an option to load a rom from a local backup

- correspondingly an option to ad-hoc test the integrity of a loaded rom (maybe against a trusted "signed" local version). I'm thinking of the equivalent of a SHA-xxx file signature

- an option to list the current rom models you support. I haven't looked at your implementation, but you must surely have a table of valid ROM chips per machine embedded somewhere (a plist?) in your software

what do you think? I know you're busy...

Great suggestions.

I'm still having issues on APFS ROM Patcher. So for now I'm holding off on trying it again.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...ed-macs-thread.2121473/page-223#post-26364648

Can you please let me know or highlight the advantages of patching ROM again to boot to APFS?
My un-supported MBP5,3 with HS and Mojave partitions are doing fine right now.

Thank you all!

 

[flygbuss]

Agreed. There is a moment when you reach a point of diminishing return. I give my old devices a few more years before they are salvaged for parts.

The problem is, Apple is spewing out expensive un-configurable and un-expandable eye-candy right now full of bugs and notorious crashes. A major disappointment...My sights are slowly turning to hackintosh as I am still a macOS addict...

True, reading about all the trouble with the new rMBP is kind of a reason to be worried.
The lack of an up to date macOS device line is also not very satisfying but we will see what this year will actually bring. Hopefully not just new iOS devices.
The pro community is waiting forever for an upgrade. The iMac Pro feels more like an appeasement with actual use for just a small group of users since it's not modular and for that it's crazy expansive.
I honestly thought about a hackintosh as well. My cousin just built a very nice machine for audio production.
But whenever I see non apple hardware, the mainboards with their colored sockets and cases that look like taken from a cheap Star Trek impression I become really sad as well.
I know there are some awesome clean mods out there but this is not for everybody to be honest.

 

[jackluke]

Hello. I still have no luck. After following your instructions about the five kext file, I let the machine reboot several times until it eventually booted back in High Sierra. I then proceeded to the second hint. After reboot in single user mode the keyboard is still not working. You can see some messages about USB : AppleUSBHostPort::disconnect: persistent enumeration failures.
View attachment 777260
The last line appeared after I connected my keyboard to another USB port of the iMac.

Anyway thank you very much for helping me to try to bring back to life Mojave.

Wait a sec, to boot back in High Sierra you have simply to hold the "alt option" key after power-on, keep holding until you see the apple default bootloader.

This is your main issue Legacy USB not detected, for sure you have an invalid prelinkedkernel file inside /Volumes/Mojave/System/Library/PrelinkedKernels/

Try to boot from Mojave USB Installer, Post Install, this time select ONLY any USB patch related, and "Force cache rebuild"

After done try to boot Mojave.

If still doesn't work try this from High Sierra Terminal:

sudo chmod -R 755 /Volumes/Mojave/System/Library/Extensions
sudo chown -R 0:0 /Volumes/Mojave/System/Library/Extensions
sudo touch /Volumes/Mojave/System/System/Library/Extensions
sudo kextcache -system-prelinked-kernel /Volumes/Mojave
sudo shutdown -h now

After power-on again your Mac and try to boot Mojave in normal mode (a couple of reboot could be standard routine)

 

[pkouame]

True, reading about all the trouble with the new rMBP is kind of a reason to be worried.
The lack of an up to date macOS device line is also not very satisfying but we will see what this year will actually bring. Hopefully not just new iOS devices.
The pro community is waiting forever for an upgrade. The iMac Pro feels more like an appeasement with actual use for just a small group of users since it's not modular and for that it's crazy expansive.
I honestly thought about a hackintosh as well. My cousin just built a very nice machine for audio production.
But whenever I see non apple hardware, the mainboards with their colored sockets and cases that look like taken from a cheap Star Trek impression I become really sad as well.
I know there are some awesome clean mods out there but this is not for everybody to be honest.

Oh, I'm seriously getting into clover and hackintosh. I can build a screamer of a core i9 that will blow away anything Apple offers right now. I was about to take the big gulp for a 32GB 1TB SSD core i9 macbook pro (cause I need it for work) when the **** hit the fan on throttling issues, heat dissipation issues, bad keyboard, T2 crashing, SSD hardware encrypted, no upgrade path etc.
I can't see myself forking over that kind of cash for unstable machines anymore - at least until they fix their quality control processes. Sad. We've been waiting almost 6 years for a macpro...and all we get is a 1K mac mini...the writing is on the wall...

 

[Luckygreek]

Yeah and beyond. Jailbreaking iPhone's is getting harder and harder...
[doublepost=1534960550][/doublepost]Oh my! I know I'm late on the dp7 to 8 bandwagon, but my system update was silky smooth: woke up the old pro and my system update badge was highlighted. It apparently downloaded in the background cause a restart instantly kicked off. I caught the reboot and avoided the nagging no-entry sign to post-install immediately and voila.

Things are looking much better.

That's what happened on my iMac, but it rebooted without no-entry screen, granted my wifi and later sound had to be patched but those were the only patches I ran and no trails. 18A371a

Edit; the only reason I knew was because I had no wifi or sound, checked about this Mac and noticed that 18A371a was my OS, I was on 18A365a

 

[guillepunx]

Did anyone had an inverted colors issue? Not inverted image, only colors. Luminosity its ok. I was trying Mojave on my iMac Late 2009 i7 but with a Radeon 6970m 2gb from a Alienware that was flashed with EFI to have boot screen.

The issue is present on both light and dark modes.

Here is the example: one is how it should looks and the weird is how it looks on Mojave.

Also performance in general it's not good, but I had to say that I was testing it from an old 80gb Toshiba HDD from and old 2006 Macbook.

 

[Olivia88]

Oh, I'm seriously getting into clover and hackintosh. I can build a screamer of a core i9 that will blow away anything Apple offers right now. I was about to take the big gulp for a 32GB 1TB SSD core i9 macbook pro (cause I need it for work) when the **** hit the fan on throttling issues, heat dissipation issues, bad keyboard, T2 crashing, SSD hardware encrypted, no upgrade path etc.
I can't see myself forking over that kind of cash for unstable machines anymore - at least until they fix their quality control processes. Sad. We've been waiting almost 6 years for a macpro...and all we get is a 1K mac mini...the writing is on the wall...

One more thing that not many know about the 2018 mbp is that the vcore voltage modules for the cpu are under specced, they can not handle the current that the cpu needs. Its not just thermally. Sending out a firmware update does not fix that, its like the antennagate 4s iPhone.

When the modules go bad they send the battery voltage (12v) to the cpu and fries it.

I doubt that for someone that uses the 2018 mbp heavily and a lot that they would last 3 years.

 

[0403979]

Did anyone had an inverted colors issue? Not inverted image, only colors. Luminosity its ok. I was trying Mojave on my iMac Late 2009 i7 but with a Radeon 6970m 2gb from a Alienware that was flashed with EFI to have boot screen.

The issue is present on both light and dark modes.

Here is the example: one is how it should looks and the weird is how it looks on Mojave.

Also performance in general it's not good, but I had to say that I was testing it from an old 80gb Toshiba HDD from and old 2006 Macbook.

View attachment 777296 View attachment 777295

That inversion looks sick, where can I get it?

 

[Olivia88]

Did anyone had an inverted colors issue? Not inverted image, only colors. Luminosity its ok. I was trying Mojave on my iMac Late 2009 i7 but with a Radeon 6970m 2gb from a Alienware that was flashed with EFI to have boot screen.

The issue is present on both light and dark modes.

Here is the example: one is how it should looks and the weird is how it looks on Mojave.

Also performance in general it's not good, but I had to say that I was testing it from an old 80gb Toshiba HDD from and old 2006 Macbook.

View attachment 777296 View attachment 777295

Your gpu is not supported, it says so on the first page if you read it.

 

[TimothyR734]

There you go