macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread

[ASentientBot]

Yes, your Terminal steps appear correct, I personally always replace all the HighSierra 5 IOUSB***.kext for another reason, but replacing only "IOUSBHostFamily.kext" you will get all input devices working but @ASentientBot discovered that to fix iSight Camera also other 2 IOUSB*** are needed in conjunction with the first one. I don't remember exactly should be this IOUSBFamily.kext and probably another. But if iSight is working on Beta 11, you don't need them.

I just replace IOUSBHostFamily to let the built in keyboard and touchpad work (they're internally connected by USB 1, which is removed in the new kext) and IOUSBFamily because that fixes the iSight camera for whatever reason. MacBook7,1 here.

 

[webg3]

Hey guys @dosdude1 @pkouame @jackluke

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...ode-with-a-keyboard-shortcut-or-the-touch-bar

 

[joelw135]

Agree, in fact I wrote MCP79 is SATA2 controller, it's not said that every Sandisk SSD will negotiate 3 Gbps, probably the most recent you buy today could give 1,5 Gbps , while instead older controllers work better with older logic boards.



Theoretically you could buy the same SSD you use on MBP 2010, but that's MCP89 AHCI a new revision, but I said between lines, you can buy even the cheapest SSD for your mini and it will work, but probably at 1.5 Gbps Negotiated speed that is half of its capability and efficiency. Even on amazon products reviews you can find advices for old macs using newer SSDs.

The most important feature to me when installing a SATA SSD into an old mac is Negotiated Link Speed rather than "Link Speed" (that is a fixed value based on the logic board controller).

OK then that makes sense, on my MacBook Pro 2010 Mojave works real well and the SSD seems to have made thing work faster if not smother, if that makes any sense. Thanks for the info.

So theoretically if I buy the SSD and format it APFS, then clone my operating Mojave using SuperDuper, I could swap the drives and all should work except I might get a error message on booting. Is that correct? By the way my SSD on the MacBook Pro Mid 2010 7,1 doesn't get that error.

 

[jackluke]

On a MacPro 3,1, the SanDisk 3D Ultra negotiates 3 Gbps under both patched High Sierra and Mojave.

I don't know the MacPro3,1 SATA controller specs but I guess since it's a very old machine, then Sandisk SSDs could be a vendor "whitelisted" for the general 3 Gbps Negotiated full speed compatibility.
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mine MBP 5.4 also says 1,5Gbps with my SSD...
Any solutions?

If you are lucky your SSD vendor could have a SSD support firmware update for your HDD, otherwise I guess you have to change your SSD if you want to get the full 3 Gbps negotiated speed advantages.

Hey guys @dosdude1 @pkouame @jackluke

https://appleinsider.com/articles/1...ode-with-a-keyboard-shortcut-or-the-touch-bar

This is... AMAZING !

Automation workflow should be a new exclusive Mojave feature than Automator, will give a try later!

 

[xy-maps]

Is it possible to update to the final version of Mojave when it is released or do I have to reinstall it completly from scratch? I‘m asking because I never used a Mac Os beta.

 

[joelw135]

If you are lucky your SSD vendor could have a SSD support firmware update for your HDD, otherwise I guess you have to change your SSD if you want to get the full 3 Gbps negotiated speed advantages.

I plan to use a Crucial SSD as I have in my MacBook Pro Mid 2010 7,1 what do I ask them for exactly? Thanks.

 

[jackluke]

Is it possible to update to the final version of Mojave when it is released or do I have to reinstall it completly from scratch? I‘m asking because I never used a Mac Os beta.

Many already did that here on betas, so I think you can without issues, not directly from your HighSierra but using the dosdude1's Mojave Patcher as target from an USB installation drive.
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I plan to use a Crucial SSD as I have in my MacBook Pro Mid 2010 7,1 what do I ask them for exactly? Thanks.

Even if it could work, I would avoid that drive, check here: https://forums.crucial.com/t5/Cruci...-Speed-is-1-5-Gigabit-only-in-Mac/td-p/182849
They said "Solved" but I don't think.

Others here are reporting (with proof pictures) that with Sandisk SSD you will get 3 Gbps, so follow their advice, but I don't 100% guarantee neither on that, unless you buy their identical drive model.

 

[Starplayr]

So what to expect today, a Mojave GoldenMaster or would assume DP Beta 11 (PB10) as "GM" until the official 9/24 release?

After all they have dropped the "Beta" wording into "About this mac" since Beta 11.
I'm torn if upgrade now or wait at this point.

I’m running the latest which appears to be the candidate for GM. It’s the build with no ‘a’ at the end and you can see the build number if you click Mac OS 10.14 in about this Mac.

I am running on APFS now, so I hope the Updater works. If I have to I can spoof another Mac but don’t like doing that.

 

[jackluke]

I’m running the latest which appears to be the candidate for GM. It’s the build with no ‘a’ at the end and you can see the build number if you click Mac OS 10.14 in about this Mac.

I am running on APFS now, so I hope the Updater works. If I have to I can spoof another Mac but don’t like doing that.

Build with no "alphabet letter" at the end is an interesting deduction, maybe imminent GM signal.

 

[jhowarth]

mine MBP 5.4 also says 1,5Gbps with my SSD...
Any solutions?

Could it be related to this issue with Nvidia controllers?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6740721

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=104301

 

[joelw135]

Many already did that here on betas, so I think you can without issues, not directly from your HighSierra but using the dosdude1's Mojave Patcher as target from an USB installation drive.
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Even if it could work, I would avoid that drive, check here: https://forums.crucial.com/t5/Cruci...-Speed-is-1-5-Gigabit-only-in-Mac/td-p/182849
They said "Solved" but I don't think.

Others here are reporting (with proof pictures) that with Sandisk SSD you will get 3 Gbps, so follow their advice, but I don't 100% guarantee neither on that, unless you buy their identical drive model.

OK I will contact Crucial and find a model number of an SATA 2 SSD. Thanks.

 

[highvoltage12v]

So what to expect today, a Mojave GoldenMaster or would assume DP Beta 11 (PB10) as "GM" until the official 9/24 release?

After all they have dropped the "Beta" wording into "About this mac" since Beta 11.
I'm torn if upgrade now or wait at this point.

On my Mac Pro last night I encountered a bug in Mojave, I was transferring 900GB of data. This morning I woke up it said transferring 3.05TB of data 0 items remaining, 5 seconds left. The Hard drive was filled with ambiguous amounts of data and the folder wasn't readable. This was a brand new Toshiba x300 NAS hard drive. I'm still thinking Mojave/APFS has its issues.

 

[joelw135]

Could it be related to this issue with Nvidia controllers?

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6740721

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=104301

OK here are two screenshots showing my Crucial drive on my MacBook Pro 2010 7,1 let me know what you think. It has the Nividia chipset. My link speed is 3 Gigabit and negotiated link speed is 3 Gigabit.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r4fbxe2lgcv49lf/Screen Shot 2018-09-17 at 11.29.26 AM.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5sfsfl5tf95n5yr/Screen Shot 2018-09-17 at 11.29.42 AM.png?dl=0

 

[PBear.SF]

From your app? From System Preferences it downloads only PB 9.

Maybe it depends on which country you're in, or other factors, but here Software Update pushed PB10 (aka DP11/18A389) to my machine last week on 13 Sept:

 

[Starplayr]

OK I will contact Crucial and find a model number of an SATA 2 SSD. Thanks.

I use SATA 3 SSDs. They are backward compatible with SATA 2 and I can use them if I move forward to a SATA 3 Mac.

You can also get a $25 dollar PCIe card for a Mac Pro and get better performance depending on link speed and number of lanes.

You could do the same with Thunderbolt with a PCIe enclosure or Thunderbolt drive/enclosure or USB 3 enclosure/drive if you have that on your Mac.

If a drive is stuck at 1.5Mb/s check and see if it’s a SATA 1 drive.

 

[jackluke]

On my Mac Pro last night I encountered a bug in Mojave, I was transferring 900GB of data. This morning I woke up it said transferring 3.05TB of data 0 items remaining, 5 seconds left. The Hard drive was filled with ambiguous amounts of data and the folder wasn't readable. This was a brand new Toshiba x300 NAS hard drive. I'm still thinking Mojave/APFS has its issues.

Maybe it is an issue related to APFS patched ROM/unsupported Mojave into an old Mac Pro, I think apple don't have those issues on natively supported APFS/Mojave machines.

 

[Vyzantion]

Maybe it depends on which country you're in, or other factors, but here Software Update pushed PB10 (aka DP11/18A389) to my machine last week on 13 Sept:

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I was asking about the full installer of PB 10, not the update onto the installed OS.

 

[highvoltage12v]

Maybe it is an issue related to APFS patched ROM/unsupported Mojave into an old Mac Pro, I think apple don't have those issues on natively supported APFS/Mojave machines.

It's a Mac Pro 5,1 .

 

[jackluke]

OK here are two screenshots showing my Crucial drive on my MacBook Pro 2010 7,1 let me know what you think. It has the Nividia chipset. My link speed is 3 Gigabit and negotiated link speed is 3 Gigabit.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/r4fbxe2lgcv49lf/Screen Shot 2018-09-17 at 11.29.26 AM.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5sfsfl5tf95n5yr/Screen Shot 2018-09-17 at 11.29.42 AM.png?dl=0

Ok, then I guess if you buy the same identical crucial SSD model it will give you 3 Gbps Negotiated Speed on your Mac mini late 2009.
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It's a Mac Pro 5,1 .

My mistake. Maybe Factory defective NAS drive ? Or failing/corrupted internal drive, or RAM issue ?
Anyway that's a borderline supported machine. I continue to think APFS is almost fine.

 

[highvoltage12v]

Ok, then I guess if you buy the same identical crucial SSD model it will give you 3 Gbps Negotiated Speed on your Mac mini late 2009.
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My mistake. Maybe Factory defective NAS drive ? Or internal drive drive, RAM issue ?
I continue to think APFS is almost fine.

No it's dual booted with HS, the old drive was marked as failing by S.MA.R.T could be that. Let's just go with that.

 

[PBear.SF]

I was asking about the full installer of PB 10, not the update onto the installed OS.

OK, got it. Sorry.

 

[dosdude1]

Maybe it is an issue related to APFS patched ROM/unsupported Mojave into an old Mac Pro, I think apple don't have those issues on natively supported APFS/Mojave machines.

APFS ROM Patch only affects the firmware level, to get the system firmware to recognize APFS volumes. Once the system boots, the kernel level APFS driver takes over.

 

[jhowarth]

Maybe it is an issue related to APFS patched ROM/unsupported Mojave into an old Mac Pro, I think apple don't have those issues on natively supported APFS/Mojave machines.

I have been testing patched Mojave on an APFS ROM patched MacPro 3,1 using a APFS volume on a hard drive without any issues.

 

[joelw135]

k, then I guess if you buy the same identical crucial SSD model it will give you 3 Gbps Negotiated Speed on your Mac mini late 2009.

Yes I think I will take the chance, the worst will be it will be slight bit off.

 

[arqueox]

Build with no "alphabet letter" at the end is an interesting deduction, maybe imminent GM signal.

Same here, since last update mine says MacOs 10.14 only...