Who knows, I didn't expected so big changes on root system folders layout in Catalina and I guess apple has already abandoned HFS+ , considering that APFS (from iOS 10.3) is also the default file system adopted for iOS devices.
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Who knows, I didn't expected so big changes on root system folders layout in Catalina and I guess apple has already abandoned HFS+ , considering that APFS (from iOS 10.3) is also the default file system adopted for iOS devices.
http://osxdaily.com/2019/06/06/make-macos-catalina-beta-usb-boot-install-drive/. that is instructions on how to make a bootable usb installer for MacOS Catalina
When I edit the OSInstall/Distribution file and try to use the GUI App. there is still some check on actual 10.15 install app that says you cannot install 10.15 on this Mac. I am not talking about a USB installer, just when trying to do it the normal way like on a supported machine. So to do it that way there still must be some other check when selecting a drive? I'm talking about some other precheck.
So after my time machine restore finished it came up with an error saying my account couldn't be created and my android USB teather kext couldn't be transfered. it then threw me to the login screen where I could sign in but I am now stuck at the spinning loading symbol when I attempt to log in. Using the normal way of creating a admin acount in single user also no longer works due to the read only file system
Same here. And I’ve got a bunch of them!
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/itunes-12-6-5-3-on-macos-catalina-10-15.2184518/ for those who might want to try this if you have MacOS Catalina up 
Right, the two volumes, OS and Data get Married together by Catalina when booted. One good thing Carbon Copy Cloner already has a beta for Catalina. May be useful for testing patches without having to start from scratch.
On the Anka macOS VM testing, I was able to score a free license with the developer. It's similar to QEMU KVM. Easier to setup. I'll be tinkering around with it on mostly in the cloud on my macOS Swift Server to run Catalina builds in a VM and have a cloud based dev. test bed.
Have you tried to clone a Catalina APFS volume with CCC 5 yet? I need to image my current configuration to internal disk before proceeding. Was looking at the best and easiest ways to do so...
Thunderbolt Macs could use an eGPU.
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I will in about an half hour. I am waiting to a fresh copy of Catalina to download and Xcode 11 beta. After those are downloaded, I am gonna clone it to another AFPS volume.
[doublepost=1559941241][/doublepost]I might have missed this, but what are the steps to get:
Sound and Broadcom WiFi working on a Mac Pro 3,1? I am going to mess around with that on a Clone.
My workarounds are fine. Actually my 2006 Mac mini is doing great for internet sharing. And my USB sound card's are working flawlessly. After I fixed my video power cable issue, I have not had a kernel panic. I have never seen a dev preview or beta 1 this stable before.
Magic Keyboard and Trackpad (iMac Pro styles) are working great too.
As soon as I said that, I KP'd when erasing a 4GB Hard Drive.
Fast boot still works with Ethernet and Firewire networking on. Using both incase one bombs as a backup on my 2006 Mac mini internet sharing.
. I used to upgrade CPUs and RAM in the 2006 Mac minis. Wasn't much but it was fun. I still have extra parts laying around.
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I have sound and wifi working on mbp 5,3 simply by changing AppleHDA.kext and IO80211Family.kext.
It's been a while since I brought my pro 3,1 up to speed - so I don't remember if those legacy patches were (are) still necessary. If so, it's pretty simple to update S/L/E - rebuild a prelinkedkernel (kextcache) - and go.
My pro 3,1 will be getting more attention since it has a metal capable GTX680...Things are becoming challenging on non-metal capable laptops....
Keep me posted on CCC.
I've got 10.15 Catalina working fine on my MacBook7,1. I've installed all patches using a modified version of macOS Patcher 2.3 and added the new patches too. The only thing missing is acceleration. I've tried CoreDisplay from 10.14.3 and 10.13.6 but neither even boot. I've also tried replacing AppKit from 10.14.5 but that fails as well. So CoreDisplay needs to be replaced for acceleration but doing so will crash AppKit because of a missing symbol in CoreDisplay and crash loginwindow. And since replacing AppKit doesn't work, the only method I can see for getting any further now is to somehow resolve this missing symbol issue in CoreDisplay. Maybe @ASentientBot could take a look at this. I'll attach a crash log for you. It's just a standard 10.14.3 CoreDisplay, 10.15.0b1 AppKit, loginwindow crash. It's getting late for me but I'll check up on this when I can. Maybe I'll wake up to some progess tomorrow.
Code:
Process: loginwindow [280]
Path: /System/Library/CoreServices/loginwindow.app/Contents/MacOS/loginwindow
Identifier: loginwindow
Version: 9.0 (1967)
Code Type: X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process: launchd [1]
Responsible: loginwindow [280]
User ID: 0
Date/Time: 2019-06-07 18:26:20.355 +0200
OS Version: Mac OS X 10.15 (19A471t)
Report Version: 12
Anonymous UUID: 1CD8A25F-C8BF-DFF8-69CC-032DC89B65A6
Time Awake Since Boot: 120 seconds
System Integrity Protection: disabled
Crashed Thread: 0
Exception Type: EXC_CRASH (SIGABRT)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000000, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY
Termination Reason: DYLD, [0x4] Symbol missing
Application Specific Information:
dyld: launch, loading dependent libraries
Dyld Error Message:
Symbol not found: _CoreDisplay_Display_GetPotentialHeadroom
Referenced from: /System/Library/Frameworks/AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit
Expected in: /System/Library/Frameworks/CoreDisplay.framework/Versions/A/CoreDisplay
in /System/Library/Frameworks/AppKit.framework/Versions/C/AppKit
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System Profile:
Network Service: Wi-Fi, AirPort, en0
Thunderbolt Bus:
Boot Volume File System Type: apfs
Memory Module: BANK 0/DIMM0, 8 GB, DDR3, 1067 MHz, 0x85F7, 0x483634314755343846373036364700000000
Memory Module: BANK 1/DIMM0, 8 GB, DDR3, 1067 MHz, 0x85F7, 0x483634314755343846373036364700000000
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: USB 2.0 Bus
USB Device: Built-in iSight
USB Device: USB Bus
USB Device: BRCM2070 Hub
USB Device: Bluetooth USB Host Controller
USB Device: Composite Device
USB Device: Apple Internal Keyboard / Trackpad
USB Device: USB Bus
Serial ATA Device: Intenso SSD Sata III, 240.06 GB
Serial ATA Device: INTENSO SATA III SSD, 480.1 GB
Model: MacBook7,1, BootROM 66.0.0.0.0, 2 processors, Intel Core 2 Duo, 2.4 GHz, 16 GB, SMC 1.60f6
Graphics: kHW_NVidiaGeForce320MItem, NVIDIA GeForce 320M, 256 MB
AirPort: spairport_wireless_card_type_airport_extreme (0x14E4, 0x93), Broadcom BCM43xx 1.0 (5.106.98.102.31)
Bluetooth: Version 7.0.0d88, 3 services, 18 devices, 1 incoming serial portsCCC is a bust right I am copying to the same volume another APFS and it thinks the disk is improperly formatted. I may try it again in Target disk mode later.
Another route would be to use Ditto on both the OS and Data volumes and there might be a text file edit for the drive name's (might).
sudo ditto -V / /Volumes/catOS
will also try another physical disk.
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When I ran ditto, it said to restart for full disk access to work. So I thought, Mmmmm.. bet that is why CCC 5 beta 1 failed. Sure enough, rebooted and CCC is working. Will see if I can get a good clone.
Never remember having to reboot for adding Full disk access to an app, but again this is 10.15 not 10.14
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Ok. May have to tough it out and clone a bootable APFS volume the hard way: manuallyCCC is a bust right I am copying to the same volume another APFS and it thinks the disk is improperly formatted. I may try it again in Target disk mode later.
Another route would be to use Ditto on both the OS and Data volumes and there might be a text file edit for the drive name's (might).
sudo ditto -V / /Volumes/catOS
will also try another physical disk.
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When I ran ditto, it said to restart for full disk access to work. So I thought, Mmmmm.. bet that is why CCC 5 beta 1 failed. Sure enough, rebooted and CCC is working. Will see if I can get a good clone.
About attempts to bring back non-metal-acceleration , I guess we should consider that Catalina uses all the binaries with 64 bit coding, while instead all the frameworks/privateframeworks binaries taken from a Mojave installation will contain both the (FAT archive) architecture x86 and x86_64 , while the "mach 64 bit only" can be found on frameworks taken from a Mojave's BaseSystem.dmg , so I'd consider to use those.
I've also tried to replace only CoreDisplay.framework from 10.14.3 and the interesting thing is that from a verbose booting it doesn't crash and doesn't produce any pid crashes, but right after the stage2 apple logo (that will be showed for a moment during the verbose mode) it will loop on IOConsoleUsers verbose lines.
Of course in drawing the LoginUI or loginwindow are involved other very tricky frameworks, one for all the SkyLight privateframework.
Maybe who knows even in some OpenGL.framework for example could be suffice to replace only its binary exec leaving the Libraries or other subfolders untouched from Catalina. But unfortunately the elements to consider are many.
Maybe this time also the OpenCL.framework is required to support an OpenGL.framework downgrade.
The semi-good thing is that frameworks (differently from kexts) can be replaced almost on-the-fly from single user mode, and their behavior can be evaluate directly from verbose booting and if some pid will crashes, then almost surely that chosen framework downgrade isn't good, attempt the next.
But I have one more observation to add, I guess that the less tricky GPU to test if on Catalina exists still an OpenGL fallback is the IntelHD3000 but the one used as singleGPU on MacbookAir 2011 or on MacBookPro 13" 2011, since these GPUs were the first that worked will full QE/CI on Mojave 10.14.0 beta1 almost OOB, and their kexts were taken from a Sierra installation, so just think, Sierra GPU kext brought the first non-metal-opengl-acceleration in Mojave, it was incredible, and this motivated to bring acceleration to other non-metal GPUs, since it was proved that OpenGL fallback was possible on Mojave.
I've also tried to replace only CoreDisplay.framework from 10.14.3 and the interesting thing is that from a verbose booting it doesn't crash and doesn't produce any pid crashes, but right after the stage2 apple logo (that will be showed for a moment during the verbose mode) it will loop on IOConsoleUsers verbose lines.
Of course in drawing the LoginUI or loginwindow are involved other very tricky frameworks, one for all the SkyLight privateframework.
Maybe who knows even in some OpenGL.framework for example could be suffice to replace only its binary exec leaving the Libraries or other subfolders untouched from Catalina. But unfortunately the elements to consider are many.
Maybe this time also the OpenCL.framework is required to support an OpenGL.framework downgrade.
The semi-good thing is that frameworks (differently from kexts) can be replaced almost on-the-fly from single user mode, and their behavior can be evaluate directly from verbose booting and if some pid will crashes, then almost surely that chosen framework downgrade isn't good, attempt the next.
But I have one more observation to add, I guess that the less tricky GPU to test if on Catalina exists still an OpenGL fallback is the IntelHD3000 but the one used as singleGPU on MacbookAir 2011 or on MacBookPro 13" 2011, since these GPUs were the first that worked will full QE/CI on Mojave 10.14.0 beta1 almost OOB, and their kexts were taken from a Sierra installation, so just think, Sierra GPU kext brought the first non-metal-opengl-acceleration in Mojave, it was incredible, and this motivated to bring acceleration to other non-metal GPUs, since it was proved that OpenGL fallback was possible on Mojave.
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The best bet may be a block level copy.Ok. May have to tough it out and clone a bootable APFS volume the hard way: manually
I posted a short analysis of the CoreDisplay <-> AppKit links a little while ago here #227
So retro-patching a CoreDisplay can only be successful if (at least) AppKit is patched accordingly now. The very existence of a new AppKit XPC folder (as well as CoreDisplay) also shows that our new Catalina frameworks are now very chatty and communicating even more through ipcs with each other. All this to support new Virtual Screen/Display (SideCar) functionality. And all of this is just a very preliminary 10,000 foot observation. But I believe a non-Catalina AppKit as some have tried is a total non-starter. So Appkit needs to be touched. I don't see anyway around that. The new SkyLight and WindowServer also deserve some inspection vis a vis Mojave.
I've been meaning to experiment with a patched AppKit (bypassing the Catalina CoreDisplay functionality which block) + retro CoreDisplay and OpenGL/GPUSupport. It is a very very very long shot but worth a decent try. You are much further ahead on a Catalina install and workflow than I am. I may just lob over a new AppKit for you to test...it would be interesting to see the verbose log
Like I said, this will probably fail but at a different point that may give us more clues. I hope this makes sense.I've read the documentation, reports and claims but am not exactly sure how the OS handles old "fat" binaries. Theoretically it should not matter - you were able to retro-patch an old "fat" CoreDisplay and I don't think you saw any load errors in your logs...right? So retrieving from BaseSystem should be unnecessary.
The .4 CoreDisplay is the first Mojave version that introduced support for virtual displays and screens ( abbot load of new code). I tested against the .3 OpenGL retro-patches and it also worked. I would try that version too. Just my humble opinion...
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yup.
Hello,
Acidanthera developer here. We got several messages regarding Apple hardware support in our projects, including OpenCore and Lilu, and this seems to be the place where at least some of them come from. I will try to step in and answer some of the questions at once here.
Firstly, I would like to state that all our projects are written with a reasonably wide range of hardware in mind, i.e. we do perform Apple firmware checks where necessary. Our kernelspace drivers already work and are tested well with Macs and virtual machines. Similarly in OpenCore we have code to augment any firmware (for example, VMware Fusion), which may already support some features used by macOS (like bless, device properties, SMBIOS, etc). The idea is to design all the functionality as "opt in", you use only what you need.
Secondly, we are a very small team of enthusiasts, and that means if there is a wish to make something real, there always has to be mutual collaboration. We personally had no chance as of yet to try OpenCore on Apple hardware, but knowing some the issues we debugged with Shell, we believe it should run with little to none modifications. It is quite stable, despite the alpha stage, and was in development for quite some time, in case this worries you.
Thirdly, we believe there is quite some room we can help with. For example, we could handle SMBIOS modifications to make hardware supported, perform kext injection directly to prelinkedkernel on the fly, modify userspace and kernelspace applications, provide APFS drivers and modern bless protocol, enable FileVault on older systems, etc.
Since there is such a fair amount of places we can collaborate, I hope it will actually be productive. For obvious reasons we would like to work with skilled engineers, which potentially have Apple hardware and could contribute the code. From those for whom that it is not an option, we at least hope to see properly written bugs or feature requests in our bugtracker, which we will try to handle as time permits.
Best wishes,
Vit
Acidanthera developer here. We got several messages regarding Apple hardware support in our projects, including OpenCore and Lilu, and this seems to be the place where at least some of them come from. I will try to step in and answer some of the questions at once here.
Firstly, I would like to state that all our projects are written with a reasonably wide range of hardware in mind, i.e. we do perform Apple firmware checks where necessary. Our kernelspace drivers already work and are tested well with Macs and virtual machines. Similarly in OpenCore we have code to augment any firmware (for example, VMware Fusion), which may already support some features used by macOS (like bless, device properties, SMBIOS, etc). The idea is to design all the functionality as "opt in", you use only what you need.
Secondly, we are a very small team of enthusiasts, and that means if there is a wish to make something real, there always has to be mutual collaboration. We personally had no chance as of yet to try OpenCore on Apple hardware, but knowing some the issues we debugged with Shell, we believe it should run with little to none modifications. It is quite stable, despite the alpha stage, and was in development for quite some time, in case this worries you.
Thirdly, we believe there is quite some room we can help with. For example, we could handle SMBIOS modifications to make hardware supported, perform kext injection directly to prelinkedkernel on the fly, modify userspace and kernelspace applications, provide APFS drivers and modern bless protocol, enable FileVault on older systems, etc.
Since there is such a fair amount of places we can collaborate, I hope it will actually be productive. For obvious reasons we would like to work with skilled engineers, which potentially have Apple hardware and could contribute the code. From those for whom that it is not an option, we at least hope to see properly written bugs or feature requests in our bugtracker, which we will try to handle as time permits.
Best wishes,
Vit
i’m not gonna lie, shouldn’t we be focusing on acceleration before the sideCar stuff?
Side car may rely on AirPlay and I can programmatically get AirPlay to work on a Mac Pro 3,1 to my AppleTV because I when written HLS software that does this.
Apple blocks the AirPlay menu on unsupported Macs which will probably block Side Car.
I'll need to install iPadOS to confirm. There may be a workaround as AirPlay does run on the Mac Pro.
AstroPad also does this and that may work on an unsupported Mac.
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I got some slowness. Seems to be from my MagicTrackPad not connecting at boot.
i see, me and my friend is working on this, cause him and i are rocking MacBook Pros from ‘09
Last time they said support for Mac Pro 5,1 will come later. This time they dont
Well, regardless of whether or not they do, it's extremely easy to get running on one. It requires no patches outside of disabling the compatibility check on boot, and it runs perfectly fine.
so wait, does this mean there’s a chance for acceleration for 10.15?
On non-Metal video cards, it looks like that isn't going to happen. A Mac Pro with an upgraded Metal-compatible video card will run Catalina just fine.