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I chose High Sierra instead... Both OSes (HS and Big Sur) start flawlessly.
Interesting….. It’s awesome if it works both ways…..K Two has been quadruple booting unsupported macOSes on separate partitions for like 500 years now, so I would still put my money on separate partitions being a more stable solution for multi-booting macOSes versus separate volumes, especially when mixing supported and unsupported OSes with opencore…… is there anything official from the dortania site about this? I poked around, I didn’t see anything about this specifically.
 
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Interesting….. It’s awesome if it works both ways…..K Two has been quadruple booting unsupported macOSes on separate partitions for like 500 years now, so I would still put my money on separate partitions being a more stable solution for multi-booting macOSes versus separate volumes, especially when mixing supported and unsupported OSes with opencore…… is there anything official from the dortania site about this? I poked around, I didn’t see anything about this specifically.
Well, you'd better!

But still: Catalina patcher plus to volumes with OCLP (and starting Catalina without the EFI Boot) worked for me...
 
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Well, you'd better!

But still: Catalina patcher plus to volumes with OCLP (and starting Catalina without the EFI Boot) worked for me...
Until it just disappeared, dude, and then you reinstalled high sierra in its place and got the ? symbol on the third boot….

I think it’s time I post a link to that song, “partition” by Beyoncé…. Maybe too erotic for Macrumors, though.
 
is there anything official from the dortania site about this?
Github says:
Note 2: Currently OpenCore Legacy Patcher officially supports patching to run macOS Big Sur and Monterey installs. For older OSes, OpenCore may function however support is currently not provided from Dortania.

Outside their mission, I think.

Err on the side of caution, I say:
- separate partition
- reset NVRAM before booting into official supported macOS
 
Just wanted to put this out there:

Call me "slow" but I finally got around to installing Silent Knight and wish I'd done it a long time ago. What a joy to be able to see the configuration all in one place. Not only that, it gets five stars for the help documentation, which is a great learning tool if you just browse through it or want to know what something specific is/does and how it works.

If you don't have it, get it, is my advice.
 
Yes, I always read the release notes, Changelog, and read me for any new version.
I tried to stumble along myself, and only post here if I get stuck or have a question I can’t find an answer to.

Since I’m not a programmer and don’t understand the underlying differences between spoof-less and minimal spoofing besides one uses a VM, I think it’s only natural to wonder what the benefits are for a regular user such as myself.
Please read the reason provided in the release notes once again. If you feel or experience problems with the current spoofing method move on an check if she spoofless method solves your current problem. If not stick with the current method! You can always use the current minimal spoofing with newer versions of OCLP. It is an option to solve some problems in some configurations, not a must.

Please read the short section about OCLP upgraded in the OCLP docs. KISS and never change a running system without a compelling reason.
 
Please read the reason provided in the release notes once again. If you feel or experience problems with the current spoofing method move on an check if she spoofless method solves your current problem. If not stick with the current method! You can always use the current minimal spoofing with newer versions of OCLP. It is an option to solve some problems in some configurations, not a must.

Please read the short section about OCLP upgraded in the OCLP docs. KISS and never change a running system without a compelling reason.
That’s why I’m asking the question now. As I mentioned in my first post about this, I tried 0.4.2 with minimal spoofing that I’m using on 0.3.1, and the system consistently hung during boot.

I noted in the discussion here and on GitHub that the spoof less method sometimes has problems with OTA updates or particular apps.

My instinct is to just leave things the way they are right now since everything is currently working, but I’m just wondering if it’s worth the trouble to try and switch to spoof less for some other reason, like future proofing or better performance.

I’ll try to read those segments again that you suggest, but they are geared more toward developers not end users, and a lot of it is some extra terrestrial language. ?
 
I chose High Sierra instead... Both OSes (HS and Big Sur) start flawlessly.

EDIT: NOT. High Sierra startet twice without any issues. The third start ended halfway by suddenly showing a disturbing icon...
This may also potentially cause Big Sur for not being able to boot up as someone has mentioned before that HS will somehow corrupt other macOS if installed on the same partition (or even same disk ?).
 
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FYI retina MacBookPro10,1 mid 2012 internal drive upgraded from 12.2 to 12.2.1, no issues.

Full download via OTA on account of SIP disablement required by previous post install OCLP patches. 3 auto-reboots + 1 more manual reboot after reinstalling OCLP post install patches, all as expected. Nice!
 
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This may also potentially cause Big Sur for not being able to boot up as someone has mentioned before that HS will somehow corrupt other macOS if installed on the same partition (or even same disk ?).
This installation was just an experiment on behalf of this discussion - I've already deleted the volume again. I understand now, where NVRAM comes in.
 
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I’ll try to read those segments again that you suggest, but they are geared more toward developers not end users, and a lot of it is some extra terrestrial language. ?
The developers here have done a fantastic job for making effort documenting the use of OCLP, which is far better than some of the other tech docs I've seen and involved in the past when I was a programmer (20 years ago though ?).
I also share your sentiment and frustration. The main reason is that OCLP involves in-depth knowledge in macOS and hardware for which some of us lack of. And most good programmers are good at computer languages and not very articulate in general because communicating with people requires a set of different ways of thinking. However, dosdude1 is one exception. He is a very articulate person (watch his installation video). Furthermore, a large chunk of them are not native English speakers (myself included) which has made the situation even worse. But Ausdauersportler's English is perfect though ??
Add-1: And there is another IQ vs EQ theory: in general, IQ+EQ=a constant determined by the God…?
Add-2: It’s obvious that my EQ is not very high by the simple fact that I actually wrote this post ???
Add-3: Forgot to mention another important fact: The developers here are also frustrated for seeing the same questions being asked again and again due to the growing OCLP popularity. Worse still, some newbies might have been given wrong advices by some like us not really know the ins-and-outs?
The bottom-line is to respect each other and to provide your help if you can.
 
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Until it just disappeared, dude, and then you reinstalled high sierra in its place and got the ? symbol on the third boot….

I think it’s time I post a link to that song, “partition” by Beyoncé…. Maybe too erotic for Macrumors, though.
;) No, Catalina didn't just disappear. I made it, because I installed Big Sur from scratch and moved my stuff there. Therefore I couldn't test just like that. And therefore I installed High Sierra to test it with a supported OS.
 
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FYI retina MacBookPro10,1 mid 2012 internal drive upgraded from 12.2 to 12.2.1, no issues.

Full download via OTA on account of SIP disablement required by previous post install OCLP patches. 3 auto-reboots + 1 more manual reboot after reinstalling OCLP post install patches, all as expected. Nice!
MBP5,2 also on 12.2.1 now. Works fine.
Update done with InstallAssistant package, using OCLP 0.4.3n (11 Feb), including for post-install root patch.
 

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Does anybody use file vault on a Mac Pro 3.1 with OCLP 0.4.2?
It is safe to enable it?

Thank you
 
I finally got around to installing Silent Knight
Hello,
We have the same computer and basic setup so as SilenKnight says there is a later EFI version:
Mac model MacBookPro10,1
EFI version found 421.0.0.0.0
expected 425.0.0.0.0

Are you seeing the same or do you have the expected 425.0.0.0.0 EFI? If so did you run a firmware updater?
My system is running ok, so just curious if I should look at that.
 
Hello,
We have the same computer and basic setup so as SilenKnight says there is a later EFI version:
Mac model MacBookPro10,1
EFI version found 421.0.0.0.0
expected 425.0.0.0.0

Are you seeing the same or do you have the expected 425.0.0.0.0 EFI? If so did you run a firmware updater?
My system is running ok, so just curious if I should look at that.
Firmware updates can only be done by the OS updater. My MBP9,1 (also 2012) is stuck at 421.... like yours. I've tried to trigger that with a partition, where I installed and updated Catalina as the last supported OS. But I've learned that some machines need the original HDD to be updated. When I replaced it with a SSD, I reused the original HDD for backup purposes. So I have given up the firmware update. 421.... hasn't caused any problems.
 
The developers here have done a fantastic job for taking time documenting the use of OCLP, which is far better than some of the other tech docs I've seen and involved in the past when I was a programmer (20 years ago though ?).
I also share your sentiment and frustration. The main reason is that OCLP involves in-depth knowledge in macOS and hardware for which some of us lack of. And most good programmers are good at computer languages and not very articulate in general because communicating with people requires a set of different ways of thinking. However, dosdude1 is one exception. He is a very articulate person (watch his installation video). Furthermore, a large chunk of them are not native English speakers (myself included) which has made the situation even worse. But Ausdauersportler's English is perfect though ??
Add-1: And there is another IQ vs EQ theory: in general, IQ+EQ=a constant determined by the God…?
Add-2: It’s obvious that my EQ is not very high by the simple fact that I actually wrote this post ???
I wasn't taking a jab at their English competency, I was pointing out that a lot of the documentation is aimed at developers and not regular users, which I think is a fair statement.

I read the patch notes for 0.3.2 again, and it didn't answer my question. So since I've been repeatedly told to read the notes for my answer, perhaps a good follow-up question would be:

"can someone please point me to the documentation that highlights the differences, advantages, and drawbacks of spoofless versus minimal spoofing?"

Apparently I'm missing it since the only answers everyone keeps saying is to read the docs, which I've done several times. Maybe it needs to be more visible.
 
I read the patch notes for 0.3.2 again, and it didn't answer my question.
The notes are fine, but I can see how someone without good computer knowledge may have trouble understanding.

One way to put it:

a. Spoofing - present as a newer mac, that is supported for newer macOS
Newer mac have different HW config, so patching has to overcome that and make sure correct software bits are turn on for the older HW.

b. Spoof-less - hide behind VM install mode
Present underlying HW as is. Software bits get correctly turn on.

In both approach, root patching(post install) is still required if correct software bits are already removed from newer macOS package.

Overall, spoof-less is a more elegant solution, which is why OCLP devs have adopted it.

Don't overthink it.
 
Well, now it's my turn to ask a question ;) If I installed Catalina on a separated volume of my SSD as second OS (OCLP'd Monterey is on another volume of the same SSD) won't it affect in any way my existing Monterey installation and OpenCore status?
I recently did just this on the same spec machine as yours, as SilentKnight was telling me my firmware was out-of-date: no problems whatsoever, they exist happily side-by-side, and I can easily boot into whichever I choose.
 
And just to confirm, Catalina is installed on a separate *volume* ("iCatFD"), not *partition*.

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This is all fascinating. So to extrapolate from all the comments I’ve seen in the last few days, it seems like in some cases installing an unsupported macOS like Monterey alongside a supported one, simply on a different volume will work (usually in a dual boot scenario), But if you go more than two macOSs, triple booting or quadruple booting , mixing supported and unsupported OSs, it may be better to go to the partition route instead…. Generally people seem to be having more success and stability with different partitions versus volumes, but there appears limited success with volumes only if only two OSes in total…. All very interesting to me…..
 
This is all fascinating. So to extrapolate from all the comments I’ve seen in the last few days, it seems like in some cases installing an unsupported macOS like Monterey alongside a supported one, simply on a different volume will work (usually in a dual boot scenario), But if you go more than two macOSs, triple booting or quadruple booting , mixing supported and unsupported OSs, it may be better to go to the partition route instead…. Generally people seem to be having more success and stability with different partitions versus volumes, but there appears limited success with volumes only if only two OSes in total…. All very interesting to me…..
I may have a similar sentiment but the logic is not precise though ;) It's more like an exception than a norm. I'd says it's still a good practice to install different macOS on seperate partition. High Sierra probably needs to be installed on a different disk.
 
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