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macOS 13: All The Little Things

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KoolAid-Drink said:
IDK, maybe I'm a Mac traditionalist, but what was wrong with the full installer? I can't imagine the full installer causing more problems than a "delta" installer, especially if it's a whole OS upgrade. If anything, a delta installer might cause more issues than a full installer, especially if the preexisting OS had odd bugs or missing system files, or whatnot. I personally feel more comforted by having a full installer so the whole installation/upgrade feels "fresh" and finished, if that makes sense. My two cents, but maybe I'm missing something?
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I was mostly referring to the changes in the update mechanism in Ventura - that installation will finish quicker once the machine reboots, unlike waiting 20+ minutes as it is now.

I also prefer to have full installer and I am sure that this option will still be there via the App Store, so whoever wants can benefit from it. However, the delta should be more than enough for a the typical user, furthermore, seeing a smaller update size and it acting more like a minor rather than a major update, it might be incentive for more people to update without the fear or complexity that might come with the full installer.
 
KALLT said:
Apple has been using delta updates for many years. MacOS minor and patch updates are already provided in this way, whereas iOS over-the-air updates are provided as delta updates even for major versions.

Given that the operating system is on the sealed system volume, I see no reason why data that has not changed should be downloaded again and overwritten. The installation routines/scripts can still be same.

I am interested in knowing whether the system offers delta updates if the system volume is not sealed or the seal is not valid.
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I am aware of that. I am referring to preferring the full installer for OS upgrades (ie, Monterey to Ventura), not system updates. For updates, delta installers are fine — but for a full system upgrade to a higher version, I prefer the proper full installer.
 
KoolAid-Drink said:
I am aware of that. I am referring to preferring the full installer for OS upgrades (ie, Monterey to Ventura), not system updates. For updates, delta installers are fine — but for a full system upgrade to a higher version, I prefer the proper full installer.
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I was implying upgrades (or “major” updates) as well. I do not see a material difference between the two, other than the size of the update and perhaps the number and extent of routines or scripts that are used to migrate existing data. A delta update can still run the exact same routines or scripts to complete the migration, even if it has to copy or modify fewer system files than a complete installer would (which also needlessly overwrites data, or at least I assume that it does or the full installer would not be needed at all for in-place updates).

Since Apple now guarantees the integrity of the system volume by way of a signature, you should have the same end result either way.
 
KALLT said:
I was implying upgrades (or “major” updates) as well. I do not see a material difference between the two, other than the size of the update and perhaps the number and extent of routines or scripts that are used to migrate existing data. A delta update can still run the exact same routines or scripts to complete the migration, even if it has to copy or modify fewer system files than a complete installer would (which also needlessly overwrites data, or at least I assume that it does or the full installer would not be needed at all for in-place updates).

Since Apple now guarantees the integrity of the system volume by way of a signature, you should have the same end result either way.
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Yeah, true. It's just that I see this as Apple moving macOS towards iOS, because iOS does delta updates even for major system upgrades (ie, 13.6 or whatever to 14.0).

It might just be me, but I've noticed a slow but sure elimination of advanced installation features since Mac OS X Snow Leopard, and accelerated starting with M1's — removal of advanced options (Archive and Install removed starting with Snow Leopard, and customization of system components with Lion), DFU mode for Mac, reviving from Apple Configurator, removal of viewing the installer log and other details during the installation, and Erase/Reset Settings from System Preferences/Settings.

It seems like the end goal might be for Apple to phase out the traditional macOS installer application once Intel sunsets, moving to a similar configuration like iOS, with the sole exception of System Recovery, which will probably present a simplified user interface. I suspect that's what will happen, and the full installer we know today won't exist anymore. If you want to reinstall, boot from Recovery or revive using another Mac. Clean install? System Settings to erase/reset settings. No Disk Utility to manage partitions anymore, just like iOS. Who knows, we might even be able to revive/reinstall macOS from our iPhones by that point wirelessly. Kind of cool, but a bit sad, too. There was always a novelty about the installer, something kind of special about seeing the OS being installed. It feels powerful and commanding, if that makes any sense; then again, I could just be waxing nostalgia :)
 
If everything else fails you can always create a bootable USB with macOS installer. I find it unlikely they’ll get rid of that.
 
I've just been composing an email to a new employee, and I hit Send and this message appeared. I like that!!! And no, I hadn't attached the files. Thanks, Mail.

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Monterey does the same so it's not a new Ventura feature. Not sure when it showed up though.

EDIT 2022/07/04: turns out I was likely confused by another app...
 
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Can anyone tell me whether you can now rename items in the Find My app on Ventura? It seems a bit of an omission that you can only rename them on an iOS device, and not on your Mac.
 
This is actually a MacOS Ventura "Little Thing": In Preview, there is now a "form filler box" that lets you insert text into forms. You could previously do this using Markup's text insertion functionality, but that was clunky, involved several more clicks to get to and always positioned the text insertion in the middle of whatever page you were on, necessitating a drag of the text to the desired location. This is a big improvement.

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The default browser setting in the "Desktop & Dock" section and between Stage Manager and Mission Control. That totally makes sense. 🙄
 
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Diskutant said:
The default browser setting in the "Desktop & Dock" section and between Stage Manager and Mission Control. That totally makes sense. 🙄
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as opposed to where it was previously? "General"? and, if it stays where it is now by the official OS release... you'll know where it is, and will have known that for some time. it's a win 👍
 
fisherking said:
as opposed to where it was previously? "General"? and, if it stays where it is now by the official OS release... you'll know where it is, and will have known that for some time. it's a win 👍
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How is that a win? I have known the current place for much longer. Also other people who don't browse macrumors and randomly see a screenshot won't know. "General" makes much more sense than "Desktop & Dock". I guess my irony detector failed me, but thinking about it, your comment can't be meant seriously.


I heard in the current beta the Settings app got updated, but saw nothing of that in this thread or anywhere else?
 
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