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macOS 13: All The Little Things

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KoolAid-Drink said:
He's right. The application, "5 Guis" does confirm that Font Book from Ventura is using SwiftUI. Comparably, when examining Monterey's Font Book, no SwiftUI is declared in "5 Guis".

With that said, @ErikGrim how are you able to tell?
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Mostly a hunch based on this being a perfect opportunity for an app to be dog-fooded, and that this type of layout is very much the kind of layout SwiftUI is pushing you to do.
 
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How? There's a search bar right at the top. Each setting type is categorised clearly and makes use of the horizontal space of the Mac's screen, which is its default orientation. The icons are also clear.
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Your interface is per definition bad, when the first answer is 'there is a search field'. In that case you might as well just remove everything else, and just go by a search field.
 
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How? There's a search bar right at the top. Each setting type is categorised clearly and makes use of the horizontal space of the Mac's screen, which is its default orientation. The icons are also clear.

The new System Settings is designed for vertical scanning and scrolling per iPhone and iPad.

It's just another example of Apple trying to converge iOS and macOS and not thinking about the fundamentals; that macOS is a pointer experience first.
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But when you go deeper it does not stay horizontal. It becomes vertical. It's not a smooth experience.
 
ErikGrim said:
Mostly a hunch based on this being a perfect opportunity for an app to be dog-fooded, and that this type of layout is very much the kind of layout SwiftUI is pushing you to do.
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By "dog-fooded", do you mean tested? And yes, I do see that Font Book in Ventura looks different from Monterey, now that I've noticed. I actually like it and view it an improvement over the SL-era Font Book in Monterey! I wish Apple did the same with System Settings' UI, I think it'd look better.
 
Kimcha said:
I’m surprised by all the hate the new settings are getting.

I have always thought the old settings was the most unintuitive part of macOS.

To find what you need, you had to scan the settings both horizontally and vertically, which is VERY difficult.

I always ended up using the search, which solves the problem. But it still makes the settings unintuitive.

Having only seen the settings on screenshots, it looks like an improvement.
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I agree. I think the current crop of negative feedback is partially based on habit, muscle memory, and nostalgia. I love macOS too, but I’m also all for progress and felt this change was inevitable. I think by the time summer is all said and done this change will be shown to be the right move.
 
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KoolAid-Drink said:
By "dog-fooded", do you mean tested? And yes, I do see that Font Book in Ventura looks different from Monterey, now that I've noticed. I actually like it and view it an improvement over the SL-era Font Book in Monterey! I wish Apple did the same with System Settings' UI, I think it'd look better.
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"dog-fooded" as in "eat your own dog food" – in this case, using their newly created programming language to rewrite legacy applications as a means to prove that it's a viable tool for app creation.
 
anyone know how the memory footprint compares to Monterey?
how much RAM does Stage Manager take up when disabled?
 
KALLT said:
AFAIK this is not a new feature. macOS 12 and iOS 15 have this too, but I think it is limited to Spanish. It seems that they have extended it to Italian though.

As casperes1996 correctly pointed out, some languages rely on the term of address to inflect words that are directed at the user. English does not have this problem, at least not that I am aware. I do not think that this feature applies to grammatical gender in general, only for this particular use case.
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Cool! I didn’t know that!
I always felt it was super awkward how they had to skirt around mentioning your gender in Italian lol - it always made it feel like the computer was being overly formal
 
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elptdbi3lYI said:
1. In stage manager cmd+` switches between all windows in the current 'stage' instead of the current focused app only.
2. Stage manager does not work well with dock on the left, if dock is hidden they overlap.
3. It is possible to hide window groups displayed on the left during stage manager mode.
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I hope we'd have the possibility of choosing the stage manager side, or for it to change automatically based on dock position (if on left or right). Not sure the dock on the right works...
 
Is double tapping the magic mouse with two fingers to access Mission Control new? I don't remember it being in Monterey.

Then again, I'm fairly new to the Magic Mouse. Just got mine a few months ago.
 
Also, small complaint about Stage Manager. I wish it still shows the stuff on your desktop so you can drag and drop into the app you're working in. I get the point is to stay focused on the task at hand, but I wish that was an option to access the desktop. I know you can click on the desktop and it'll pop up, but I wish it would show your desktop files in the background while you're working in an app.
 
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Stage Manager has a "magnification" effect for the windows on the side compared to the previous build. Much smoother experience, though.

If set to always hidden, the windows don't go "flat" anymore on hover.
 
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Kimcha said:
I’m surprised by all the hate the new settings are getting.

I have always thought the old settings was the most unintuitive part of macOS.

To find what you need, you had to scan the settings both horizontally and vertically, which is VERY difficult.

I always ended up using the search, which solves the problem. But it still makes the settings unintuitive.

Having only seen the settings on screenshots, it looks like an improvement.
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I'm on Monterey, and if you put the System Prefs app in the Dock you can right-click it and choose the preference pane you want to go to from an alphabetical list. Is this still in Ventura?
 
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