macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[davidlv]

Thanks david lv, would love to reply to the bulk of what you wrote, very helpful. (One thing though, by Catalina Patcher, I simply mean the Catalina volume installed by way of the DosDude Patcher).

But since I last posted, just as a test, I made the mistake of using CCC to clone back the CCC data volume on the external to the data volume on the High Sierra Desktop -- never touched System. Thought that this would be completely harmless, but doing this appears to have corrupted the data volume, and since then I've been unable to boot back into the Catalina -- have spent the last 4 or 5 hours in deep **** looking at loading bars which take forever to finish, and which never result in a boot.

After trying any number of things, was desperate enough to do a Catalina reinstall from the USB stick, which I thought might be the solution.

Present situation is that at least I now get the Catalina login, but I'm prompted to enter name and password (previous login just asked for password). Have tried the user and password set before all this happened, but they just bounce and are rejected, no idea why.

Screenshot is from this thread,
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/388686/stuck-with-name-and-new-and-enter-password-prompt

I've tried a few of the suggestions from that thread, including rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone (AppleSetupDone not found), but none of them work.

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Have spent the last several weeks fine tuning the Catalina volume -- had it working just fine (mostly) -- but right now it looks like all of that work is down the drain. So deeply sorry that I have to ask this now -- Again I realize that this has nothing to do with Ventura -- but I'm wondering if you or anyone else here might have something to offer for this present login dilemma.

What is the current situation? I can't understand it, you say you can't login, but you are posting here. How is that possible. Do you have another mac, aside from the old iMac? I hope I am wrong, but I suspect you will not be able to access that Catalina "Patched" volume and wind up having to wipe it using a USB install disk. Can you make a USB install disk using OCLP and do you already have an Apple installer downloaded? I can't remember what system you need to upgrade to to get that software you need running, but on that old hardware Big Sur would be much easier to install and work with.
Assuming you have access to the old iMac, the latest Big Sur installer is available here;

macOS Big Sur Full Installer Database. Download Directly from Apple!

You can now download Beta & Final versions of macOS Big Sur 11 my new database! Every available version of Big Sur listed for quick download!

mrmacintosh.com

as an InstallAssistant.pkg, which you run to get the Apple Installer in your Application folder. Then when you run the OCLP application, you can choose "Use an existing installer" (the one you just installed in your Application folder.
After the new system is installed, you can copy your Data and Applications back to the internal disk.
Don't use CCC unless you really understand what it does!

 

[plugsnpixels]

Thanks david lv, would love to reply to the bulk of what you wrote, very helpful. (One thing though, by Catalina Patcher, I simply mean the Catalina volume installed by way of the DosDude Patcher).

But since I last posted, just as a test, I made the mistake of using CCC to clone back the CCC data volume on the external to the data volume on the High Sierra Desktop -- never touched System. Thought that this would be completely harmless, but doing this appears to have corrupted the data volume, and since then I've been unable to boot back into the Catalina -- have spent the last 4 or 5 hours in deep **** looking at loading bars which take forever to finish, and which never result in a boot.

After trying any number of things, was desperate enough to do a Catalina reinstall from the USB stick, which I thought might be the solution.

Present situation is that at least I now get the Catalina login, but I'm prompted to enter name and password (previous login just asked for password). Have tried the user and password set before all this happened, but they just bounce and are rejected, no idea why.

Screenshot is from this thread,
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/388686/stuck-with-name-and-new-and-enter-password-prompt

I've tried a few of the suggestions from that thread, including rm /var/db/.AppleSetupDone (AppleSetupDone not found), but none of them work.

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Have spent the last several weeks fine tuning the Catalina volume -- had it working just fine (mostly) -- but right now it looks like all of that work is down the drain. So deeply sorry that I have to ask this now -- Again I realize that this has nothing to do with Ventura -- but I'm wondering if you or anyone else here might have something to offer for this present login dilemma.

Note sure if it applies to a patched system but one usually boots into Recovery and resets the pw with Terminal (seems like a huge security hole but it works):

Forgot Your Mac Password? Here's How You Can Unlock Your Computer

Locked out of your Mac? Don't worry; you can try several methods to regain access.

www.cnet.com

 

[coolio2004]

Itˋs unnecessery at all to use CCC. You can clone patched volumes with disk utility.

 

[Sven G]

Ventura runs quite well, on my MBP11,3… but there is a problem with macOS 12+ virtual machines, in Parallels Desktop 18 and VMware Fusion 13: while the Apple paravirtualized GPU (which gives Metal accelerated graphics inside the VM) works perfectly with a Big Sur VM, it freezes the entire VM after login in Monterey and Ventura VMs (they run well only in the traditional way, without acceleration: which is certainly not optimal, at all); not sure if this is due to the fact that the MBP11,3 only supports Big Sur natively, or to the now broken - at least so they say - state of paravirtualization on Intel, after the shift of focus towards Apple Silicon: so, would installing OCLP inside the VM help, perhaps (if even possible: maybe with the correct boot parameters?)…? Just a wild guess: probably not possible, but then who knows…

After some quick troubleshooting (BTW, thank you very much, macpro_mid2014, for your great help), I found that forcing the iGPU with gfxCardStatus fixed the Parallels Desktop Monterey and Ventura VMs, after activating the Apple driver with prlctl set macOS\ 12 --video-adapter-type apple and prlctl set macOS\ 13 --video-adapter-type apple (both were previously set, in order to be usable, to parallels, i.e. the old, classic driver, without any graphics acceleration): and there don’t seem to be any major performance hits, in comparison to the dGPU (anyway, those are only hobbyist VMs, which are not used for any serious production).

(OTOH, my Acronis Cyber Protect Home Office problems persist (with some setup and settings windows not showing up at all), with any i/dGPU combination; so, maybe there is something still incomplete with the Kepler root patches, who knows: let’s wait and see…)

 

[macinfo]

We know this behavior from the MB5,2 (white 2009 13") but for the MBP4,1 this is new... perhaps USB 1,1 set of patches has to be modified (USB mapping etc.?). Interestingly, on the 17" this is not an issue. @khronokernel hopefully reads this and might find the reason, despite it's clearly not top-notch urgent ;-)

Overall speed/performance is very ok, even in comparison to older macOS iterations that fully supported the machine.

Thank you @Larsvonhier for the detailed reporting, it’s really appreciated! I will post my future findings as well, but will take a few days until my next Ventura ventures will start.

 

[houser]

Just a cosmetic question if there is an OCLP/Bootcamp guru out there?
I have a rMBP that is multi boot and runs Ventura under OCLP and also Win10 in legacy bios mode under Bootcamp as that is the only way I appear to be able to run Win10 without issues.
All working well so far by booting into either via holding down alt key during boot.

The cosmetic issue is that OCLP regardless adds a WIN boot icon that is non functional that I would really like to remove, as it is only confusing and nothing happens id you boot from it by accident. I assume that could cause issues. So does anyone know if I can somehow safely remove the WIN icon in OCLP and still keep the option to boot into it via alt-boot? Many thanks for any helpful comments?

 

[RK78]

Itˋs unnecessery at all to use CCC. You can clone patched volumes with disk utility.

Using DU Restore to create a backup, won't I encounter the same problem regarding booting from a target in the platform in use, HS 10.13.6, that doesn't support Catalina -- or for that matter, anything beyond Mojave?






@ plugsnpixels, re. passwordreset from the command line , nice if it would have worked, but no dice, that errors out.

 

[MacRumors3590]

Using DU Restore to create a backup, won't I encounter the same problem regarding booting from a target in the platform in use, HS 10.13.6, that doesn't support Catalina -- or for that matter, anything beyond Mojave?




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@ plugsnpixels, re. passwordreset from the command line , nice if it would have worked, but no dice, that errors out.

What Mac do you have RK78? Why not start from scratch with Monterey or Ventura?

 

[Larsvonhier]

Having severe Finder network volume issues with 13.2 beta 2 I would like to revert back to 13.2 beta 1 for the time being...
Now Apple seems to have revoked the full installer for 22D5027d, also the link at MrMacintosh.com does not work any more for it.
Any clue where to still get the installer? Hints welcome..!

 

[davidlv]

Having sever Finder network volume issues with 13.2 beta 2 I would like to revert back to 13.2 beta 1 for the time being...
Now Apple seems to have revoked the full installer for 22D5027d, also the link at MrMacintosh.com does not work any more for it.
Any clue where to still get the installer? Hints welcome..!

I too have severe issues with 13.2 B2, the whole UI turns Orange, as in everything is Orange!, so I went back to the 13.1 release, which is still available at the Mr. Macintosh site. That UI color shift happened twice, running the latest 0.5.4n and also with 0.5.3, so I am not sure what is the cause. 13.1 runs very well indeed on this 9 year old iMac 15,1, even with the ton of Post Install patches required.
I see no further need to try to upgrade to a what is obviously a very poor beta. Do you have a pressing need to use 13.2 beta 1 instead of 13.1?

 

[ASentientBot]

Having sever Finder network volume issues with 13.2 beta 2 I would like to revert back to 13.2 beta 1 for the time being...
Now Apple seems to have revoked the full installer for 22D5027d, also the link at MrMacintosh.com does not work any more for it.
Any clue where to still get the installer? Hints welcome..!

Here's a (temporary) link to my copy: http://home.amys.website:42069/macos/22D5027d_InstallAssistant.pkg

 

[Larsvonhier]

I too have severe issues with 13.2 B2, the whole UI turns Orange, as in everything is Orange!, so I went back to the 13.1 release, which is still available at the Mr. Macintosh site. That UI color shift happened twice, running the latest 0.5.4n and also with 0.5.3, so I am not sure what is the cause. 13.1 runs very well indeed on this 9 year old iMac 15,1, even with the ton of Post Install patches required.
I see no further need to try to upgrade to a what is obviously a very poor beta. Do you have a pressing need to use 13.2 beta 1 instead of 13.1?

No, just that I cannot downgrade my system to 13.1 but likely to 13.2 beta 1 from beta 2.
(That´s what it behaved in previous beta phases, anyways).

13.2 beta 1 behaved very well for the time I tested it, including network volume mount (actually: discovery!) in Finder.
Never had the "orange" UI issue, though.

 

[Larsvonhier]

Here's a (temporary) link to my copy: http://home.amys.website:42069/macos/22D5027d_InstallAssistant.pkg

Thanks for your link and support here, but it does not download from there (link seems ok, but download stops immediately).

edit: never mind! Seems to be a side effect of broken network / Finder stuff. I´m currently DL´ing it on another computer, works fine...

 

[Larsvonhier]

Good news in between ;-)

The 2nd edition of the internal cMP BT USB hub is up and running; I soldered one prototype, installed it and voila, it works and gives access to the internal BT section of the Wifi/BT combo module in the cMP 4,1 (and 5,1).

As an old Asimov fan, I like the vendor name of the hub chip ;-)

Optional USB 2.0 ports for external use will be tested soon, pls. standby!

 

[houser]

As an old Asimov fan, I like the vendor name of the hub chip ;-)

Yes, I used to live on planet Terminus too when I was young

 

[macinfo]

Apple seeded the RC version of the coming macOS 13.2 update to developers

 

[Belmoto]

Hello, i was updating to ventura 13.1 then on restart my mac will go black screen after login
idk what happened
but is there any solution for this?

 

[Larsvonhier]

Hello, i was updating to ventura 13.1 then on restart my mac will go black screen after login
idk what happened
but is there any solution for this?

If you want any helpful hints you should at least supply fundamental info such as i.e.
- type of Mac, expansions (RAM, cards, etc.)
- original macOS before update / upgrade
- screen: internal / external
- type of GPU
- patch state
...

 

[Belmoto]

If you want any helpful hints you should at least supply fundamental info such as i.e.
- type of Mac, expansions (RAM, cards, etc.)
- original macOS before update / upgrade
- screen: internal / external
- type of GPU
- patch state
...

hi my bad but im panicking

it’s macbook pro mid 2014 13inch
internal screen
not sure about the gpu but I think it’s intel‘s

 

[Larsvonhier]

hi my bad but im panicking

it’s macbook pro mid 2014 13inch
internal screen
not sure about the gpu but I think it’s intel‘s

Ok, well.
At what point does the screen go black?
Does keyboard work then further? (Caps lock LED toggle possible?)
Did you patch, with what version of OCLP? EFI according to your machine type?

 

[Belmoto]

Ok, well.
At what point does the screen go black?
Does keyboard work then further? (Caps lock LED toggle possible?)
Did you patch, with what version of OCLP? EFI according to your machine type?

it work well, when i enter my login password it gives me a loading bar then it goes all black

everything’s is working regarding the keyboard

I don’t know what I did, I think I just hit restart on the update button, I was in a hurry and I forgot how to do the update for the OCLP

 

[nekton1]

I gave up on the OCLP Discord channels due to the prevalence of angry resentment about posters not conforming to some people's ideas of what should be asked and how it must be asked. Specifically, there is a lot of hate about people using 0.5.4n before the final release to install Ventura and then asking questions or posting what might be OCLP bugs. Perhaps it is stressful running the OCLP Discord channels but if the stress is too much don't be a dev or frequent rude poster/answerer. IOW, if you cannot say something respectfully, don't say anything even when a post is bozo.

 

[TOM1211]

hi my bad but im panicking

it’s macbook pro mid 2014 13inch
internal screen
not sure about the gpu but I think it’s intel‘s

Try a hdmi ?

 

[Oyah12]

hi how do you get 0.5.4 nightly thanks

 

[Oyah12]

I gave up on the OCLP Discord channels due to the prevalence of angry resentment about posters not conforming to some people's ideas of what should be asked and how it must be asked. Specifically, there is a lot of hate about people using 0.5.4n before the final release to install Ventura and then asking questions or posting what might be OCLP bugs. Perhaps it is stressful running the OCLP Discord channels but if the stress is too much don't be a dev or frequent rude poster/answerer. IOW, if you cannot say something respectfully, don't say anything even when a post is bozo.

how do you get 0.5.4 nightly , is it exclusive to some or what ? thx