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macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

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MacinMan said:
Is there a supported version of macOS for your mac? If so, you could install it to an external drive, and it will install the efi firmware update.
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Thanks for the tip. That got me thinking and I remembered something along the same lines. Checked the following page and sure enough Apple has run a series of firmware updates out:
eclecticlight.co

macOS Ventura 13.3, Monterey 12.6.4 and Big Sur 11.7.5 bring firmware updates for all supported Macs

This week’s updates to macOS 13.3, 12.6.4 and 11.7.5 should have updated the firmware of every supported Mac. I have now completed my check of those updates, and have updated the database use…
eclecticlight.co eclecticlight.co
So I installed Big Sur 11.7.5 to the 1TB HDD that used to be part of the Fusion drive on my old iMac, and it updated the firmware in the process. I have Ventura installed, with OCLP, on the internal 128GB Apple SSD. Probably because it was an EFI OCLP install, the firmware wasn't updated during that install - the curse of unsupported hardware!
What a hassle that must be for older machines. Even with this late 2014 iMac, getting the bluetooth mouse recognized is difficult (connecting the lightning cable temporarily helps) and the bluetooth keyboard too (had to connect an old wired keyboard (so old the lettering on the keys is a faint Pissarro imitation!).
The whole process leaves me with my head feeling like it is a Picasso o_O.
 
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Another solution for Preview app in 13.3 when opening png file.
1. Tap rotate
2. Tap markup

-follow the order, if you reverse the order, image does not show. Just rotate again to get back to proper orientation.
Screenshot 2023-03-30 at 1.51.39 PM.png
 
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ImpetuousRacer said:
Ok, so I found the issue with Mac Mini 2012 and random apps, Finder, System Settings crashing.

On a regular tiny HDMI monitor - everything works fine.
As soon as I switch to DisplayPort CRG9 49" monitor, apps start crashing, not loading etc.

I've used OCLP and every version of Ventura and never had an issue before with this setup until now. Anyone have any ideas on this? It wont let me post the issue on GitHub. Thanks.
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Thanks! It was driving me nuts. That was happening to me as well. As I lowered the resolution I was able to regain control of the system.
 
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MacinMan said:
When I brought up this issue outside this forum, at least for Chrome, does disabling hardware acceleration in chrome give you a normal startup? I don't have Ventura installed, so can't test for myself. That was the suggestion I was given was to disable hardware acceleration in Chrome. The other question I have is, I also own a license for ScreenFlow. They specifically say "ScreenFlow doesn't support Hackintosh systems" Since that is esentally what OCLP is, should I just wait until I can get a new Mac before I upgrade beyond Monterey to ensure everything continues to work?
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I don't want workarounds to make apps work one by one by disabling features, I want a reliable OS.
If I have to stay on Monterey to have a stable system, I will stay on on Monterey. For the moment, it's OK, but Xcode 14.3 requires Ventura, and as I am an iOS developer, it will be problematic to stay on an old Xcode release.
 
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davidlv said:
Thanks for the tip. That got me thinking and I remembered something along the same lines. Checked the following page and sure enough Apple has run a series of firmware updates out:
eclecticlight.co

macOS Ventura 13.3, Monterey 12.6.4 and Big Sur 11.7.5 bring firmware updates for all supported Macs

This week’s updates to macOS 13.3, 12.6.4 and 11.7.5 should have updated the firmware of every supported Mac. I have now completed my check of those updates, and have updated the database use…
eclecticlight.co eclecticlight.co
So I installed Big Sur 11.7.5 to the 1TB HDD that used to be part of the Fusion drive on my old iMac, and it updated the firmware in the process. I have Ventura installed, with OCLP, on the internal 128GB Apple SSD. Probably because it was an EFI OCLP install, the firmware wasn't updated during that install - the curse of unsupported hardware!
What a hassle that must be for older machines. Even with this late 2014 iMac, getting the bluetooth mouse recognized is difficult (connecting the lightning cable temporarily helps) and the bluetooth keyboard too (had to connect an old wired keyboard (so old the lettering on the keys is a faint Pissarro imitation!).
The whole process leaves me with my head feeling like it is a Picasso o_O.
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Thanks for confirming the firmware update, the last Big Sur patch did not offer one.

Just got it done on my 2013 MacBook Air 6,1 using an existing external SSD install of Big Sur created for this very purpose.

Afterwards SilentKnight confirmed the update and said I needed XProtectPayloads_10_15-93 (up from ...91), got that done as well. Did not update to 13.3...
 
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Hi all, based on some digging around in here I see some are reporting Ventura success on mid-2011 iMacs. But it seems some graphics cards are more successful than others.

Please could anyone confirm stability in case of mid-2011 - iMac 27" - 2.7GHz Intel i5 - AMD Radeon HD 6770M 512MB?

Thanks, Paul
 
KernkraftX360 said:
Thank you. I can confirm that the Safari rendering issue has been fixed on 0.6.3n build.
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In a prior post, 909allday said, "Direct links are not allowed." The page shown below says "Direct to this page" It is not a direct link!
github.com

OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher/SOURCE.md at main · dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher

Experience macOS just like before. Contribute to dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com github.com
As said before, "Read the change log" before downloading the nightly version, and don't ask for help if something goes wrong. The developers are busy with the huge task of keeping so many older Macs viable, they don't have time to help everybody! They do check the posts occasionally, and so they do get feedback.
As always, I am very impressed by their accomplishments. Great work indeed.
 
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rbart said:
I don't want workarounds to make apps work one by one by disabling features, I want a reliable OS.
If I have to stay on Monterey to have a stable system, I will stay on on Monterey. For the moment, it's OK, but Xcode 14.3 requires Ventura, and as I am an iOS developer, it will be problematic to stay on an old Xcode release.
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For me , my Home architechture upgraded with the 16.4 upgrade , and it seems its not compatible with Monterey :/
 
Yes, with iCloud services, homekit, it's very hard to keep a device on an old OS version.
Apple pushes to upgrade and you hav a lot of problems when one of your devices is unsupported.
OCLP tries to help us up to date, but if the patched version is not reliable enough, it's not really a valid solution for people who really use their devices.
it's a shame, my 17,1 iMac is working perfectly, it's fast enough, has a gorgeous screen and fits all my needs.
It's powerful enough to support Ventura, but Apple has decided to not provide GPU drivers for it ...
 
Drivemysaab said:
Oh really!?
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I think, I remember that fist to patch 13.3RC I tried something about issues I had and preview didn't work.
I don't think that is related to the OCLP install on my main internal disk cause instead of I would have same issue on 13.2.1.
Note that also without patch (7MB graphic and unknown display) preview always worked on the systems
 
rbart said:
I don't want workarounds to make apps work one by one by disabling features, I want a reliable OS.
If I have to stay on Monterey to have a stable system, I will stay on on Monterey. For the moment, it's OK, but Xcode 14.3 requires Ventura, and as I am an iOS developer, it will be problematic to stay on an old Xcode release.
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I understand that, and having things just work is the ultimate goal, and solution. That's why it's been a tough call for me as to what my next move will be once Monterey support runs out. On one hand, I've used Apple products for most of my life, and have invested in a lot over the years. On the other hand, I'm also getting tired of dealing with a proprietary operating system, so looking at a more open source solution going forward. For your case, you're also considering it as part of your work, so you have to look at different considerations than I do. I also use Xcode, but mainly to have the Unix command line tools for Homebrew.

I was going to go an alternative route and install Ventura in a VM and run it along side Monterey. However, while it installed, it wouldn't run without kernel panicking. This was on Fusion pro 13.x. I wouldn't point the finger solely at Apple though, Microsoft did the same thing to their users with Windows 11. That's why I'm looking at Linux, or maybe BSD as alternatives, just to get away from the proprietary and closed source solutions.
 
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Linux is not a solution ...
I prefer to stay on Monterey than going to Linux.
My Mac is just one part of my Apple ecosystem, migrating it to Linux doesn't solve any of my problems.
My plan was to keep my Mac until I can run the last Xcode version on it.
I haven't anticipated Apple to stop Monterey Xcode support now ...
I am ready to buy a new computer but:
- the 24" iMac has a smaller screen and is still using an M1...
- no 27" iMac replacement
- the M2 mini looks perfect, but I need to buy another screen, and it's difficult to have less than my 5K 27" once you have tasted it ...
 
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Hello everyone, updated to Ventura 13.3 with OpenCore Patcher 0.6.3 nightly (but before with 0.6.2 final but nothing changed) my MacBook Pro 13" mid 2012 (2,9 GHz Intel Core i7 dual-core - MacBookPro9, 2). Everything works, even "Continuity Camera" except "Removal background" from photos. Does anyone work or has found a solution? Thank you very much. Max
 
junley4 said:
I tried this, booting to 13.3 with AMFI enabled on mid 2011 iMac, it did not boot, progress bar does not go past 50%. I reconfigured OCLP to enabled SIP and AMFI then rebooted to 13.3 successfully but because of SIP enabling, post-install patches didn't take effect and I am greeted with unpatched system (no graphics acceleration and no wifi). Reconfigured OCLP to recommended settings and I was able to boot successfully to 13.3 (w/ acceleration and wifi). So in 13.3, AMFI must really be disabled.

But one thing I noticed, with the recommended OCLP settings for 13.3 installed, I booted to 11.7.5. it booted successfully. Then I fired up OCLP 0.6.2 and I noticed that the recommended settings is the same as in 13.3
-SIP: 0x803
-AMFI: disabled

I was thinking that since OCLP states in the "Configure SIP" setting that "OCLP by default knows the most ideal SIP value for your system..." I thought that I will be provided with optimal SIP setting for 11.7.5 but instead, I was given the optimal setting for 13.3. Does this mean 0.6.2 does not recognize Big Sur installations? I have not tested this with Monterey as I don't have it installed. Maybe others who have Monterey can test this.
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Probably, currently OCLP by default applies the same SIP, etc. settings to all machines and OSes: for example, on my Monterey MBP11,1, I have to manually deselect some (for Monterey) excessive SIP, LV and AMFI settings (I have them all enabled, there); while, for example, 0.4.11 automatically applied the ideal ones.
 
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rbart said:
Linux is not a solution ...
I prefer to stay on Monterey than going to Linux.
My Mac is just one part of my Apple ecosystem, migrating it to Linux doesn't solve any of my problems.
My plan was to keep my Mac until I can run the last Xcode version on it.
I haven't anticipated Apple to stop Monterey Xcode support now ...
I am ready to buy a new computer but:
- the 24" iMac has a smaller screen and is still using an M1...
- no 27" iMac replacement
- the M2 mini looks perfect, but I need to buy another screen, and it's difficult to have less than my 5K 27" once you have tasted it ...
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I am not disagreeing with you when it comes to your position. However, it sounds like, you're reading my posts, and assuming that I'm telling you to make the same decisions that I am looking at. While I am offering information here. I'm not expecting everyone to make the same decision. That's foolish, as everyone's needs and situations are different. With that said, I don't have any issues with staying on Monterey either. (while it's supported.) I tried Ventura, and while I always like to try to stay current, it really offered me nothing over Monterey that I need.

I've also considered the Mac Mini, but I think like you, I just don't want to deal with separate components. Especially, after moving. This iMac has been the perfect size and feature set when it came to getting back up and running quickly in a smaller space.

As far as switching to Linux, or another alternative, for me specifically, that's more of an ethical thing.
My first choice would of course, be to buy a new Mac, and run what's supported directly form Apple. If that's not an option, then run the latest supported OS (which I am) until end of supports. After that, look at options like Linux, or another Unix OS, that were designed to be open source and tinkered with instead of a solution like OCLP.

With that said, I think OpenCore is an excellent project and their efforts to revive older hardware is great.
 
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