macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[Nam290620]

My macbook pro 15inch 2016 after install Ventura , i can’t setup TouchID

 

[0xCUBE]

My macbook pro 15inch 2016 after install Ventura , i can’t setup TouchID

I feel like a broken record - ABSOLUTELY NO UNSUPPORTED MACS ARE FULLY WORKING ON VENTURA. DO NOT INSTALL THE OS!.

I apologize for the use of bold italic caps but this is ridiculous. You people really need to read the manual before attempting an install so you can see the disclaimer that ventura is NOT supported!

 

[Dimvol]

My macbook pro 15inch 2016 after install Ventura , i can’t setup TouchID

I have A1707 2016 and Ventura B3 installed on it. The touchID works fine. Try installing again. There is a known method of launching the HD530 by replacing the device-id and AAPL,ig-platform-id from KBL. Have you tried? Did it work? Lots of people say it works. But I can't 🥲

 

[coolio2004]

Delta update B4 went fine on Macbook Air 2015. Graphic seems to be smoother - no hibernation.

 

[gilby101]

Delta update B4 went fine on Macbook Air 2015

Brilliant! That model is not supported by Apple and is supposed to not work with Ventura. Please tell us how you got it working. I have a MacBook 2016, which is no longer supported for the same reasons as your MBA. See https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-13-ventura-on-unsupported-macs-thread.2346881/ for those trying to get Ventura to run on your and my Macs.

The upgrade to B4 did go well for my Ventura beta - but that is a virtual machine running on my 2019 iMac.

 

[coolio2004]

Brilliant! That model is not supported by Apple and is supposed to not work with Ventura. Please tell us how you got it working. I have a MacBook 2016, which is no longer supported for the same reasons as your MBA. See https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/macos-13-ventura-on-unsupported-macs-thread.2346881/ for those trying to get Ventura to run on your and my Macs.

The upgrade to B4 did go well for my Ventura beta - but that is a virtual machine running on my 2019 iMac.

I use 0.49 OCLP and SMBIOS spoof model MBA7,2 . There is no video acceleration but speed is better in beta4. So i can can use win11 in Fusion. Safari, mail ao. are ok so far.

 

[0xCUBE]

I use 0.49 OCLP and SMBIOS spoof model MBA7,2 . There is no video acceleration but speed is better in beta4. So i can can use win11 in Fusion. Safari, mail ao. are ok so far.

to be clear, no acceleration, even if improved, is still exponentially worse than acceleration. I once ran a test on my 2015 MBP with vs without accel to minimize a safari tab, and the differences are astronomical.

With accel: 0.9 seconds
Without accel: 7 seconds (fans also ramp up like crazy)

The slower the machine, the worse the effects will be so your mileage may vary.

TL;DR: Please just don't install Ventura

 

[steverae]

Well because of the major issues with Ventura and the talk of Apple dropping support for intel chips as they did for with the powerPC chips back in 2006 - Ive decided to start replacing my aging Apple devices with newer M2 equivalents starting with my MBP 2015 -> replaced with MBP M2 13” (hey, who knew the touch bar was so cool - also staying well clear of the AIR). Also sold my iMac 13,2 before the prices on these drop to stupidily low levels. End of an era.

However, I’m keeping my MacPro 5,1 wondering what the future will bring for this. Ive got a powerMac too (one either side of my TV in my man cave) so they match lol

Let’s see how long it takes the OCLP dev’s to fix Ventura…. Its been a fun ride these last few years but its time to through in the towel finally i think.

 

[pshufd]

I have a pretty long list of old Macs and two Apple Silicon Macs and am thinking of selling some of the old Macs and living with the Apple Silicon Macs. I am thinking of keeping the 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pro 15s, though. The 2015 MacBook Pro is my backup laptop. The 2014 is currently loaned out to a family member. Those are still decent machines to get work done. My feeling is that I could replace both of the old Intel MacBook Pros with an M2 Air 15 - I really prefer laptops of 15 inches and up.

I had hoped that Ventura would be ready to try out by now but I'm getting antsy. I can only run it on my Apple Silicon Macs and am considering installing it on an external SSD to play around with. The main feature that I want out of Ventura is the Weather App. I finally updated my M1 mini and 2015 MacBook Pro to Monterey as 12.5 is stable enough for me now. I had two major annoying bugs with it but they were fixed either in 12.4 or 12.5 and I am having a blast playing around with the AirPlay feature.

 

[straycat23]

I'm not giving up on Khronokernel and the geniuses at Github. I think they will work these issues out. In the meantime, has anyone tried Ventura on a Mac Pro 5.1 with an Radeon HD 7950?

I have a long history with Apple and Macintosh. I bought my first Macintosh on the first day they were available in 1984 for $2400. They developed Macwrite and MacPaint for that computer and that was it. I was so disgusted with Apple that I went with Windows until the B&W G3 came out. Their marketing strategy sucks. They "vintagize" perfectly capable machines that are very expensive, and they've done it for years. They were still selling new G4 laptops when they quit supporting the IBM processors. They are now on their 4th CPU type. These M1/M2 types are no different except that they have a T2 security chip that make it extremely hard to hack, and they will become obsolete too sooner than you think. I'm not giving up so easily. If Ventura can't be conquered(which I think it will be), I'll erase everything and use Linux.

 

[exoticSpice]

These M1/M2 types are no different except that they have a T2 security chip that make it extremely hard to hack, and they will become obsolete too sooner than you think. I'm not giving up so easily. If Ventura can't be conquered(which I think it will be), I'll erase everything and use Linux.

umm not really they won't become obsolete such that you can't run any other OS, you can still run Linux. By the time macOS support ends on these ARM Mac's Linux will be fully working.

Apple leaves the bootloader open on ARM Macs and it's a documented bootloader. Heck even Linus Torvalds is using an ARM Mac now running bare metal on a M2 MBA.

T2 no longer exists that was based on the A10 chip. But the ARM Macs have moved to a newer security chip that is far more modern and based on the latest A series chips.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1554282555045969921

 

[straycat23]

umm not really they won't become obsolete such that you can't run any other OS, you can still run Linux. By the time macOS support ends on these ARM Mac's Linux will be fully working.

Apple leaves the bootloader open on ARM Macs and it's a documented bootloader. Heck even Linus Torvalds is using an ARM Mac now running bare metal on a M2 MBA.

T2 no longer exists that was based on the A10 chip. But the ARM Macs have moved to a newer security chip that is far more modern and based on the latest A series chips.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1554282555045969921

To be diplomatic here: I guess I didn't make myself clear. The ability to run Linux on an ARM Macs was not my point. I'm sure Linux can run on an ARM Mac. My point was that Apples marketing strategies suck and that I'm not giving up on Ventura yet in spite of the pessimism voiced here.

The question I put to the community was: Has anyone tried Ventura on a Mac Pro 5.1 12 core with a Radeon HD7950?

 

[0xCUBE]

To be diplomatic here: I guess I didn't make myself clear. The ability to run Linux on an ARM Macs was not my point. I'm sure Linux can run on an ARM Mac. My point was that Apples marketing strategies suck and that I'm not giving up on Ventura yet in spite of the pessimism voiced here.

The question I put to the community was: Has anyone tried Ventura on a Mac Pro 5.1 12 core with a Radeon HD7950?

yes, people who have a lot more initiative have tried it, and it doesn't work, just like every other unsupported mac.

 

[straycat23]

yes, people who have a lot more initiative have tried it, and it doesn't work, just like every other unsupported mac.

Sounds like a challenge. I can always go back to Monterey if it doesn’t work

 

[houser]

Sounds like a challenge. I can always go back to Monterey if it doesn’t work

Sounds like you don't really understand the premise. There is also the small item of bricking your Mac permanently which means not only not going back to Monterey but anything at all. Good luck.

 

[Shadow Demon]

khronokernel should been the one to create this thread. If not, almost any one else would have been better.

 

[Ausdauersportler]

@khronokernel already created on Github an issue about all lot of the problems coming with Ventura and it's first lines are these:

This page will be updated as we learn more about Ventura and the changes within.

• If you're not an active developer for legacy Macs, DO NOT INSTALL VENTURA. Even if you're bored, more random users installing the beta create more noise and thus more difficult to properly develop patch sets.
• Know that this is an early developer beta and that hardware bricks can happen and be unrecoverable. Only continue on if you're alright flushing the hardware down the drain.

There are possibly 10 (ten) posts here on the complete thread of now 21 pages worth reading and saving, on the complete last page there is not a single one. This is the real problem we have, it is not who started this thread.

 

[fernando.c.neves]

Hi to everyone who update to Ventura, I already has Ventura in my 2 Hackintoshes One 10 generation I5 10400F with Gigabyte B560M-H working everything OOB with a Dongle Bluetooth and AMD Radeon RX 570 4GB with full acceleration.

Another Laptop Acer Aspire ES1-572 i5 6200u with Intel HD Graphics 520 with a patch in Opencore 0.8.4 to get acceleration and now runs as metal 3. Appers in system as Intel HD Graphics 620 (spoofed in OpenCore as 1659000 (HD 620) Kabylake). Working everything including SD Card Reader, Bluetooth and WiFi with an BCM94360CD OOB. Running Ventura Beta 4 smooth and perfect (SSD 240GB) Kingston.

Now here the issue...

I had an MacBook Pro Retina Early 2015, who is unsupported to Ventura 13 (Broadwell). I made an Ventura Pen Drive with OpenCore Legacy Support (OpenCore 0.8.3) and changed the SMBIOS of my MacbookPro12,1 to MacbookPro14,1 (2017), install was perfect, everything working but without acceleration support (Intel Iris Graphics 6100 (Broadwell).
I already done everything spoofed 162B0000 to every Kabylake IGPU's and nothing works. Than I had an idea of use my AppleIntelBDWGraphics.kext from Monterey 12.5 and the rest of kexts like Framebuffer and bundle's, set csr-active-config to 02080000 (Root disabled) and use command line snapshot Mounter V2 to install these kext's in /S/L/E of Ventura 13 Beta 4. Works with my Intel Iris Graphics, get acceleration but System hangs and never start's keep looping in boot. Then I changed the info.plist of AppleIntelKBLGraphics.kext and add 0x162B8086 (Intel Iris Graphics 6100). The System not load the kext at all (Both files AppleIntelKBLGraphicsFrameBuffer.kext too. There is anyone who get's acceleration with this IGPU?

Link to Monterey 12.5 AppleIntelBDWGraphics.kext and FrameBuffer + Bundles
Monterey´s 12.5 Kext´s and Bundles of Intel Iris Graphics 6100

I'm losing my fate in get this working.

Pictures of my About This Mac and System Info (Graphics and Monitor).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10jedLfkrsv8t-fkQ4juhxqYafNIlC2yM/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1iH6dFA2-tm0rMdsCtnmwwecy5fIvRYvX/view?usp=sharing

More information about kext's policies in Ventura and Metal Support.
https://github.com/khronokernel/khr...-metal/_posts/2022-08-01-2022-LEGACY-METAL.md

This Article says that Skylake Metal support is not working, but you can do a Spoof in Intel HD Graphics as an Kabylake device to work this out. My Acer is an Skylake and works everything except for the Intel HD Graphics 520 that.i spoofed to Intel HD Graphics 620 (Kabylake) device-id (16590000) in OpenCore 0.8.4 from OpenCore Legacy Patcher 0.4.9. Now my Skylake iGPU is fully accelerated and show as Metal 3 device (Intel HD Graphics 620).
If anyone has a solution for this, please share.
Ventura 13 beta 4.

 

[fernando.c.neves]

Hi @Hervé, I know that no one ever done an Broadwell iGPU Graphics Acceleration, now I had an external SSD with Ventura 13 Beta 4 and in my NVME NE-512 (512GB) with Monterey 12.5, I'm trying to made an patch that works with Monterey's 12.5 kext's and Bundles. But with no success until now. The only thing I made progress is with -x (Secure Boot) and with AppleIntelBDWGraphics.kext and AppleIntelBDWGraphicsFrameBuffer.kext that loads in Secure Boot with 1536MB in my Intel Iris Graphics 6100. I'm using MacBookPro14,1 in SMBIOS of OCLP 0.4.9. I installed these Kext's with Command Line Tool Mounter V2 in /S/LE of Ventura's 13 Beta 4. I have downloaded Debug Kernel's 13 Beta 4 to compile kext's in Ventura with Command Line Tool Mounter V2.

If anyone get me directions on doing more progress with that, I will be glad.

This is my EFI updated from OCLP 0.4.9 (Driver's, Tools, Kext and OpenCore from 0.8.0 to 0.8.4) to 08-02 latest kext's available to date. This EFI works with Ventura Beta 4 over Real Mac mine (MacBook Pro Retina Early 2015) (MacBookPro12,1) Broadwell. The SMBIOS is set to MacBookPro14,1 (Kabylake).

Now I'm adding Monterey's 12.5 Kext's and see if boot's without -x boot args with this updated EFI (OpenCore 0.8.4).

EFI => MacBookPro12,1 (Broadwell) (Real Mac) with SMBIOS MacBookPro14.1 (Kabylake)

Thanks in advance,
Fernando.

 

[steverae]

like @pshufd and @straycat23 I too have several (had) several older Mac models ranging from an iMac 13,2, MBP 11,1 and MacPro 5,1 with flashed HD7950 GPU.

As I wrote in another comment we have to praise the work of the dev's behind the likes of OCLP and Dosdude patchers fr breathing life into these awesome older machines and keeping them running for many more years after official support ended.

So let me take this chance to thank all who frequent this forum and have helped me personally on my quest over the last few years and hope that the future Apple silicon chips stay with us in active support fo many years to come.

Thanks you all.

 

[chris1111]

The only one who can make old graphics cards work under Ventura is @ASentientBot
It's a shame he doesn't say anything

 

[hvds]

should been the one to create this thread. If not, almost any one else would have been better.

I should say that I find this thread quite useful.

Reason: typing this now from an MBP5,2 running 13.0b4. The first post of this thread had sufficient info to try this, and some other posts (thanks Larsvonhier) were encouraging.

So I installed 13.0b4 over a failed earlier 13.0 attempt on an external SSD. Using a full USB installer and the latest OCLP 0.4.10 (ventura alpha) nightly. The SSD was prepared earlier with a CCC data clone with all user data etc. Taking the OS.dmg replacement from MrMacintosh IPSW for b4 - avoiding AVX2 still works. Copying it to the target while running 12.5 from the internal SSD.
Ethernet working. Mouse/keyboard: using external ones via USB during installation and in running system.
Mail and Safari 16 working. Of course no graphics acceleration yet, how should it! Occasional WindowServer crashes as observed by others.

The purpose is to see that the basics are still understandable and feasible for me in Ventura. This MBP5,2 is no longer my production system because of charging circuit problems, but it is still a pleasure to experiment with it. I am more than happy with this outcome.

Great thank you to khronokernel and all developers!

 

[Ermine8]

How to enter Ventura recovery mode on hackintosh?

 

[ASentientBot]

The only one who can make old graphics cards work under Ventura is @ASentientBot
It's a shame he doesn't say anything

Don't worry, I'm helping the other Moraea devs (who are more skilled than me – don't think I'm the only hope!), but both non-Metal and legacy Metal pose significant challenges this year.

Sorry for being inactive here. I find Discord more convenient, and we don't have much to announce yet. Also, the OP of this thread is a troll and longstanding nuisance to the community, which further reduces my interest. Anyways, you're welcome to check out the OCLP Discord server where devs are more active!

 

[dhinakg]

Then I changed the info.plist of AppleIntelKBLGraphics.kext and add 0x162B8086 (Intel Iris Graphics 6100). The System not load the kext at all (Both files AppleIntelKBLGraphicsFrameBuffer.kext too. There is anyone who get's acceleration with this IGPU?

You cannot simply spoof Broadwell as Kaby Lake and expect it to work. Besides the fact that there are checks against the device model, the Broadwell architecture is nowhere near similar to Kaby Lake. Even the Skylake fix for hackintoshes (which I came up with and PMheart helped implement) is not as simple as just spoofing Skylake to Kaby, and this only works because Skylake/Kaby Lake/Coffee Lake are pretty similar.

Than I had an idea of use my AppleIntelBDWGraphics.kext from Monterey 12.5 and the rest of kexts like Framebuffer and bundle's, set csr-active-config to 02080000 (Root disabled) and use command line snapshot Mounter V2 to install these kext's in /S/L/E of Ventura 13 Beta 4. Works with my Intel Iris Graphics, get acceleration but System hangs and never start's keep looping in boot.

Again, not as simple. There are other things that need to be done, which, in the interest of preventing more people from breaking their systems, I will not share at this time (not to say I even know for a fact myself, as afaik none of the developers have even tested on Broadwell).

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Realistically, the closest class of unsupported machines is Skylake. I did start working on it but I no longer have a tester with Skylake, and I don't own a Skylake Mac myself (only a hackintosh). So I'm not sure when even these machines will be supported.