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macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread
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no, and no. No unsupported macs have success yet
Very interested in this also. I have an MP6,1 I am no longer using and I am willing to try anything to put it to good use.
I know there are no "success" stories yet, but at least some people are able to get Ventura running, albeit with issues (or even lots of issues).
macOS Ventura and OpenCore Legacy Patcher Support · Issue #998 · dortania/OpenCore-Legacy-Patcher
This page will be updated as we learn more about Ventura and the changes within. If you're not an active developer for legacy Macs, DO NOT INSTALL VENTURA. Even if you're bored, more random users i...
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The work that developers do here to keep older mac's alive is incredible, but would it not be worth dropping pre AVX2 hardware now? Computers 2nd hand that support AVX2 are coming into the super affordable price bracket. Im only thinking this due to how difficult it clearly is to continue supporting these older machines.
Overall though even if this patcher never releases I like everyone else greatly thank the developers on keeping these machines alive as long as they have.
Overall though even if this patcher never releases I like everyone else greatly thank the developers on keeping these machines alive as long as they have.
Extremely happy to still be current on my two old Macs but would also assume that all good things come to an end at some point.
When things become clearer in good time, it will certainly be very interesting to get the odds for AVX 2 support on older machines or if that is a no-go. Happy regardless
(edited out a question about Apple M.O. as it was pointless.)
When things become clearer in good time, it will certainly be very interesting to get the odds for AVX 2 support on older machines or if that is a no-go. Happy regardless
(edited out a question about Apple M.O. as it was pointless.)
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Apple only cares about hardware that is supported. It isn't intentional that AVX2 support is required - it's only because all supported macs support AVX2. This is the same for pretty much everything else. There's just simply no reason for apple to maintain support for machines that aren't supported on their latest OS.Extremely happy to still be current on my two old Macs but would also assume that all good things come to an end at some point.
I am also curious if the changes in Ventura are part intended to make it harder for people to
keep old hardware and use Hackintoshes and the like. Or is this just a side-effect of Apple's M.O?
When things become clearer in good time, it will certainly be very interesting to get the odds for AVX 2 support on older machines or if that is a no-go. Happy regardless
As for ETA's, as I've said a million times - there are no ETAs. Some of the OCLP devs estimated 6 months, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were longer, or even impossible.
It would not be hard to provide AVX2 support on an AVX CPU from what I've seen. You still have the 256-bit registers. I think that it would take more effort to support pre-AVX processors but that's likely already available given that older Macs can run Monterey.
What in the world are you on?
Of course it is intentional. What in the world do you think management talks about all day in their endless meetings? What’s for lunch? (Well yeah 15% of discussions are about lunch, but that’s one of the privileges of being management 😂).
it isn't intentional - it's literally apple going "oh since these macs aren't supported anymore let's remove drivers for them!" There just isn't a point to keeping the old drivers.
Chicken? Egg? Someone has to decide which machines to carry on supporting... That said, I'm always a fan of theories which are somewhere between conspiracy and cock up. I'm (pretty) sure Apple (or any other company, in similar circumstances) convinces themselves that there are good reasons to drop each machine they drop. On the other hand, there are definitely 'perverse financial incentives' not to carry on supporting machines which - OC + OCLP shows - they definitely could still support, with some more effort and time.
Of course they "could" still have support - just don't remove drivers for old Macs! However, what would be the point of them doing that? If Apple suddenly started supporting 10 - or heck, even 15 - year-old Macs, would that be good business for them? Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's the right choice for a multi-trillion dollar company like apple.
The changes are not the Make it harder for people to use old hardware. AVX2 is a important instruction used in Improved Calculations speeds and i guess its used in the Media Encoding/DecodingExtremely happy to still be current on my two old Macs but would also assume that all good things come to an end at some point.
I am also curious if the changes in Ventura are part intended to make it harder for people to
keep old hardware and use Hackintoshes and the like. Or is this just a side-effect of Apple's M.O?
When things become clearer in good time, it will certainly be very interesting to get the odds for AVX 2 support on older machines or if that is a no-go. Happy regardless
Interesting. I've been trying to get Ventura working in VirtualBox with little success. Best I can do is the forbidden symbol after a few seconds of booting from an installer image. Think it might have to do with my hardware... then again the same thing happens with Monterey in VBox. Or i'm doing something wrong.
Apple used to pride itself on being a HARDWARE COMPANY, not a software company. People bought new macs because the hardware was improved. They are shifting... heck, they HAVE shifted to being a subscription and fashion marketing concern. To be in fashion, you need the latest Mac, just like today's most fashionable people always have the latest iPhone and iWatch They want you to buy a new Mac every year. Think that's ludicrous? Not. See: iPhone.
yes it would unnecessarily bulk up the system to keep old drivers around
I'm now confused which side you're coming down on, in the recurring debate of "do they drop support for technical reasons, or do they drop support to make money"!
I have tried a lot of approaches to get Ventura or the installer (at least!) to boot up on the MP6,1. No success at all.
It always stalls after (or close to) the "DSMOS arrived" output in early boot stage, activity LED of SSD/stick still indicating accesses for a while after no further text output on screen.
What I tried to date:
- beta 2 and beta 3 installers
- various OCLP settings for OC (i.e. 0xa03 for SIP, nVME support on/off)
- setting OCLP to spoof native (or not) for MP7,1 and iMacPro1,1
- boot from USB with USB hub in the chain
- even boot a drive that starts Ventura fine on other unsupported machines (beta 2)
What I will try as a final test is to de-attach the internal nVME disk, ruling out that as a reason for blocking boots.
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it's both. In theory they can maintain support for older machines, but in an effort to make money, they drop support for older devices (by removing drivers) as said drivers are no longer needed.
precisely! Once they make the decision to remove the older macs, they can remove old drivers since there is no reason to have them around anymore.
What a load of insanity. The new 2021 MacBook Pros are the great compared to ANY of the Intel MacBook Pros. The M1 14" and 16" are cool and still very powerful.
The 2019 Mac Pro brought PCIe slots back and the latest MBA M2 is perfect for casual Mac users.
If anything the Intel Macs were underpowered and had weak CPUs at the entry level. Apple is still a hardware company...