I wonder if also the jump to Metal 3 will make things difficult for those of us using older machines.
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Running the latest version of Office 2021 just fine. It’s only an issue on non Metal machines. My 2012 Mini can run pretty much all software, including every Apple Arcade game I’ve tried
Ok I will give it go thank you so much.The link on Mr. Macintosh's website worked for me.
macOS Ventura Full Installer Database. Download Directly from Apple!
Download macOS Ventura full installer with one click straight from Apple! Every version of Ventura Beta & Final available all in one place!!mrmacintosh.com
Upgrade the logic board, the CPU, the GPU, RAM, HD to SSD and you should be good to go.
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Running the latest version of Office 2021 just fine. It’s only an issue on non Metal machines. My 2012 Mini can run pretty much all software, including every Apple Arcade game I’ve tried
I'm looking into it right now; it looks like it doesn't really like the nvme boot drive.
The 2017 Air is essentially the same model as the 2015 one and still uses a 5th generation Intel chip. Intel will most like discontinue its support for those soon (4th gen an older are already dropped since 2020) and even Microsoft has dropped support for them in Windows 11. Your machine will still be supported via security updates for at least two more years in Monterey, even if no way is found to enable installing Ventura on it.
Failed after nearly finishing the installation (it was the OCLP Big Sur patcher by @khronokernel which booted the Monterey Beta versions within hours...). More to come tomorrow.
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This is pretty shocking Apple dropped support for some Macs that they still sold new less than 3 years ago. As Mr. Macinstosh points out on Twitter:
"2013 Mac Pro was sold until Dec 2019
2017 MacBook Air was sold until July 2019
2014 Mac mini was sold until Oct 2018"
Are there particular hardware requirements that these Macs simply can't meet?
"2013 Mac Pro was sold until Dec 2019
2017 MacBook Air was sold until July 2019
2014 Mac mini was sold until Oct 2018"
Are there particular hardware requirements that these Macs simply can't meet?
ok for anyone like me that owns super ultra wide 5120x1440 it still works on Mac OS 13, just go to Settings Display and Set Resolution from Default to Scaled, and for some reason the resolution is set to 5120x1440 (low resolution) lol it thinks 3840x1080 is higher than 5120x1440. well it works 120hz works im using a MacBook Air m1 with this monitor
I expect Apple to accelerate dropping support of Intel machines before fully pulling the plug on new OS’s for Intel Macs in a couple of years. They’d still live up to their promise of support for ”years to come” by releasing security patches for the last compatible OS.
The machines dropped this year all have in common that they lack hardware decoding support of H.265/HEVC video.
It will be interesting to see the lawsuits roll in. After New York (and soon Colorado) passing the "Right to Repair" bill that will force Apple to allow users and small mom-and-pop repair shops to get repair information and components to be able to "reasonably" repair their Apple laptops, iPads, and iPhones I can see the very easy argument and logical extension that it is illegal for Apple to obsolesce hardware like they've been doing.
Clearly just about anyone can agree that an older computer should still be relevant and able to do essential things like pay bills, check bank accounts, make purchases and so forth online without being forced to purchase new systems.
Clearly just about anyone can agree that an older computer should still be relevant and able to do essential things like pay bills, check bank accounts, make purchases and so forth online without being forced to purchase new systems.
That would explain it. My MBP11,3 (Mid 2014) only supports family 1. Family 2 looks like the devices supported by Monterey.
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My backup 2017 MBA is no longer supported which I find surprising. I can't wait to run Ventura on it with those patches coming later.
OpenCore Legacy Patcher is a real savior for those of us unwilling to sell a kidney. @Syncretic has been doing some great work on AVX and AVX2 situations that should carry us forward for a bit with MacPro5,1 and other such beautiful machines.
The counter argument is that Catalina is still receiving security updates, so machines stuck there are still technically being supported even if they aren’t getting new OS features. The same will be true for machines stuck on Monterey.
Well @headlessmike the problem is that several older systems I own pre 2009 have become nothing but "books" on a shelf or bookends in some cases. My old G5 systems just sit around looking pretty. It's pretty hard to get, the now mandated, new SSL updated browser families functional on such machines for such essential tasks as I note.
I really don't see a counter argument there at all, just a longer term fight.
I really don't see a counter argument there at all, just a longer term fight.
Catalina EOL is scheduled for this fall...
I’m all for keeping old machines running as long as possible, I have a G3 tower that I still play with from time to time, but there must also come a point where the OEM is no longer required to support something. I just don’t know where that point is.