macOS 13 Ventura on Unsupported Macs Thread

[TigerA]

updated OCLP from 1.1 to 1.2.1 on a 2009 iMac10,1 running 13.6.1, failed post-install patch shown in the attached photo. It still works with the original OCLP 1.1 patch.
Help would be appreciated.

 

[dandeco]

Looks like a version Sonoma installed. Hopefully, it's not a beta. Having at least two partitions on a main drive is very helpful. Having two versions of macOS installed makes testing a hack like OCLP far less problematic or an external drive would be good, too.

That's what I'm afraid might have happened. The System Settings showed a software update was available, but the only thing available was the Sonoma upgrade. It must've tried to upgrade without my consent!
The double partition thing sounds like a fine idea; I may eventually give that a shot. Until then, I'll have to make do with using my M1 MacBook Air at my workplace; I've already got Slack and the DYMO labeling software I use there installed.

 

[davidlv]

That's what I'm afraid might have happened. The System Settings showed a software update was available, but the only thing available was the Sonoma upgrade. It must've tried to upgrade without my consent!
The double partition thing sounds like a fine idea; I may eventually give that a shot. Until then, I'll have to make do with using my M1 MacBook Air at my workplace; I've already got Slack and the DYMO labeling software I use there installed.

Just an additional suggestion. Instead of partitions, many find that APFS Volumes are more convenient. They allocate disk space dynamically, so you don't run the risk of over- or under-allocating space when you set up a partition. They are also very easy to erase and create.

 

[GH1852]

I have a MacBookAir 6,2, 2013. I'm about to purchase an Auro Pro X2 upgrade to replace the small OEM SSD. I'm aware that install Ventura or Monterey, one must first deal with a firmware issue by installing Monterey or higher to the Apple drive prior to installation of the new drive. My question is whether OCLP works reliably with this NVMe hardware. I've found references to mixed experiences. If it's really questionable, I'll remain with Big Sur.

 

[davidlv]

I have a MacBookAir 6,2, 2013. I'm about to purchase an Auro Pro X2 upgrade to replace the small OEM SSD. I'm aware that install Ventura or Monterey, one must first deal with a firmware issue by installing Monterey or higher to the Apple drive prior to installation of the new drive. My question is whether OCLP works reliably with this NVMe hardware. I've found references to mixed experiences. If it's really questionable, I'll remain with Big Sur.

If you have the necessary disk space, create a new APFS Volume in Disk Utility, and use OCLP to create a Monterey or Ventura macOS install USB (16GB). Use that USB to install Monterey/Ventura to the new Volume, which should update the firmware.
You can then immediately delete that Volume if you prefer, or delete the old Big Sur Volume if the OCLP install is working. I have seen reports that OCLP version 0.6.8 works fine with Ventura (probably Monterey as well). Recently, I have seen many reports of troublesome installs of Ventura with the latest OCLP 1.2.1, but that depends on the hardware. My iMac 15,1 runs Ventura 13.6.3 very well with OCLP 1.2.1.

 

[camelia]

That version should work with Ventura, the Mr. Macintosh site is rarely that wrong.
That said, as posted on the page you mentioned, the best practice is to install Ventura and after everything settles down, look in the software update pane and look for the "Other updates available". You probably will get a long list of things related to Sonoma and you will have to scroll down a long way to see that "Other updates available".
That may show an update to Safari.
Personally, I use Brave, based on ungoogled-Chromium, aas it gets updates automatically (or started if you hit the "About Brave" menu item. Turn off the Rewards function and it is lean and fast. Personal opinion only.

Thanks, but I still do not know the build number of Safari Version 17.1v2 for macOS Ventura, that you can download from Mr. Macintosh site

Please help

Thanks
Camelia

 

[deeveedee]

@camelia and @davidlv What is the logic behind downloading a version of Safari 17.1 other than the one that is the default for Ventura 13.6.1? It is probably more important to apply post-install patches after upgrading Safari (even if not prompted by OCLP) than it is to tinker with experimental Safari versions.

EDIT: The default Safari 17.1 for Ventura 13.6.1 (at the time of this post):

 

[DeltaMac]

It appears that Mr. Macintosh site has not yet linked to the latest Ventura beta, which is version 13.6.3
But, that version immediately offers an update for Safari. Don't know what version/build came with that 13.6.3 system install,
but the Safari update offered after the install of Ventura 3.6.3 gives Safari version 17.2 (18617.1.16.11.3, 18617)

 

[davidlv]

@camelia and @davidlv What is the logic behind downloading a version of Safari 17.1 other than the one that is the default for Ventura 13.6.1? It is probably more important to apply post-install patches after upgrading Safari (even if not prompted by OCLP) than it is to tinker with experimental Safari versions.

EDIT: The default Safari 17.1 for Ventura 13.6.1 (at the time of this post):
View attachment 2315278

As I said in my reply to Cam, it is best to use the version that comes with the version of the macOS downloaded. Even the Mr. Macintosh sites suggests that. I have no idea why she wants to know the build number, and why she doesn't just download it if she is that interested. Probably to compare it with the one she already has, just a guess. As Delta Mac says; I have Safari version 17.2 (18617.1.16.11.3) on my Ventura 3.6.3 install (iMac 15,1).
However, I use Brave and I never use Safari (except for the rare case where any other browser won't work).

 

[perez987]

updated OCLP from 1.1 to 1.2.1 on a 2009 iMac10,1 running 13.6.1, failed post-install patch shown in the attached photo. It still works with the original OCLP 1.1 patch.
Help would be appreciated.

Not sure if this can help but check it.

 

[K two]

It appears that Mr. Macintosh site has not yet linked to the latest Ventura beta, which is version 13.6.3
But, that version immediately offers an update for Safari. Don't know what version/build came with that 13.6.3 system install,
but the Safari update offered after the install of Ventura 3.6.3 gives Safari version 17.2 (18617.1.16.11.3, 18617)

How can macOS 13.6.3 be a Beta when 22G423 is the RC? The current release is 22G430, it is either RC2 or the final release. 🤷‍♂️

 

[TigerA]

Not sure if this can help but check it.
View attachment 2315405

Thx for the info. The /Library/Extensions folder contains only 2 HighPoint kext files. It's missing the SoftRAID.kext. However it's not related to this issue. Adding the SoftRAID.kext (copied from BigSur in the same disk) did not make any difference. The KDK_13.6.1_22G313.kdk is already in the /Library/Developer/KDKs folder. It works with OCLP 1.1.0. Because it failed the post-install patch, the OCLP 1.2.1 did not write anything to the sealed snapshot. The original OCLP 1.1.0 patch is still there running correctly. The OCLP 1.2.1 also thinks I am about to download the Sonoma 14.1.1 and tries to download the KDK_14.1.1 for me. However it failed for some unknown reason.

I suspect the OCLP 1.2.1 has some bugs for the iMac10,1 model running Ventura. However, it works for Big Sur (no problem applying post-install patch).

add: Tried OCLP 1.2.0 and ended up with a corrupted post-install patch. The sudo bless command did not work after booting up with a newly generated OCLP 1.2.1 Ventura 13.6.1 installation USB (command not found). However, my iMac10,1 is back working correctly now after a reinstallation with this USB key, which applied the post-install patch automatically as part of the installation.

 

[DeltaMac]

How can macOS 13.6.3 be a Beta when 22G423 is the RC? The current release is 22G430, it is either RC2 or the final release. 🤷‍♂️
View attachment 2315409

Sorry, I mistated on that.
Last I heard, version 13.6.3 build 22G430, is RC3
That is probably why Mr Macintosh has not listed that version, as I recall that site does not usually post RCs, when a final release is (probably) close.

 

[K two]

Sorry, I mistated on that.
Last I heard, version 13.6.3 build 22G430, is RC3
That is probably why Mr Macintosh has not listed that version, as I recall that site does not usually post RCs, when a final release is (probably) close.

Where is this version info available? 🤔

 

[DeltaMac]

That's one of the reasons I continue to use the free version of MDS.
You can still use version 4 free. Download from https://bitbucket.org/twocanoes/macdeploystick/downloads/
(After version 5, you have to purchase a license for the software.)
But, the final release of 13.6.3 should be released any day, and may even show up now in your Software Updater, if you look in that pane, and you already have Ventura installed, it should offer a section of "Other Updates" in the settings pane. That's how I got the OTA update. But, I downloaded that latest Ventura release, as a full installer, again, using the MDS app.

 

[camelia]

As I said in my reply to Cam, it is best to use the version that comes with the version of the macOS downloaded. Even the Mr. Macintosh sites suggests that. I have no idea why she want to know the build number, and why she doesn't just download it if she is that interested. Probably to compare it with the one she already has, just a guess. As Delta Mac says; I have Safari version 17.2 (18617.1.16.11.3) on my Ventura 3.6.3 install (iMac 15,1).
However, I use Brave and I never use Safari (except for the rare case where any other browser won't work).

Yes, I always ask the same question only to compare, and check if my macOS is running the latest versions available

Thank you very much
Camelia

 

[davidlv]

That's one of the reasons I continue to use the free version of MDS.
You can still use version 4 free. Download from https://bitbucket.org/twocanoes/macdeploystick/downloads/
(After version 5, you have to purchase a license for the software.)
But, the final release of 13.6.3 should be released any day, and may even show up now in your Software Updater, if you look in that pane, and you already have Ventura installed, it should offer a section of "Other Updates" in the settings pane. That's how I got the OTA update. But, I downloaded that latest Ventura release, as a full installer, again, using the MDS app.

I tried downloading the 13.6.2 installer from MDS using the free version 4.4 (thanks for that info) and when trying to make a USB installer using OCLP with that Ventura 13.6.2 installer, the OCLP app crashes - just like it did when I mistakenly tried to use the wrong Ventura version (for the M3 only) downloaded from the Mr. Macintosh site. The MDS list says it is 22G320 and doesn't specify that that 13.6.2 installer is for the M3 only but I highly suspect it is.

 

[K two]

I tried downloading the 13.6.2 installer from MDS using the free version 4.4 (thanks for that info) and when trying to make a USB installer using OCLP with that Ventura 13.6.2 installer, the OCLP app crashes - just like it did when I mistakenly tried to use the wrong Ventura version (for the M3 only) downloaded from the Mr. Macintosh site. The MDS list says it is 22G320 and doesn't specify that that 13.6.2 installer is for the M3 only but I highly suspect it is.

Mr. Mac sez 22G320 for 2021+ M1 & M2 MBPro only. The twilight of intel is here 🙃

 

[RK78]

Dumb question (probably, maybe): my Ventura data volume is showing 2 instances of Application Support.

--One in /Library/Application support, which is where I would normally expect to find everything, including my Firefox folder and profile. Yet Brave Software (Brave, my secondary browser) strangely enough does appear there.

-- The other is in Users/user name/Library/Application Support, where the bulk of items, including Firefox reside......

EDIT: Never mind, been years since I've gone through an OS setup -- had forgotten that the user library is hidden by default and needs to be unhidden in Finder.

 

[DeltaMac]

I also do not care to use the usual "installer creator" apps, including that one included with the OCLP app.
The terminal (for me) is too easy to use. But, then, I probably make USB installers a dozen times per week, sometimes more. So, I have developed some quick steps that are mostly drag & drop into a terminal window.
If you like, I can show the steps that I use in terminal.

 

[deeveedee]

I also do not care to use the usual "installer creator" apps, including that one included with the OCLP app.
The terminal (for me) is too easy to use. But, then, I probably make USB installers a dozen times per week, sometimes more. So, I have developed some quick steps that are mostly drag & drop into a terminal window.
If you like, I can show the steps that I use in terminal.

If your steps are better than Apple's here, I'm interested.

 

[DeltaMac]

Make bootable installer on flash drive: (this will work with any macOS system installer from High Sierra and newer)

The steps are ultimately the same as Apple's, just needing very little typing, and making it difficult to waste your time with wrong entries

Insert your USB flash drive (use a 16GB flash drive for this). Erase that thumb drive, using your Disk Utility. Make sure it is formatted Mac OS Extended (journaled), and the partition Map is "GUID"

The macOS installer app (Install macOS "whatever") should be in your Applications folder.

Right click on that installer app, and choose "Show Package Contents". Open the Library, then open the "Resources" folder. Leave that alone for a moment...

Launch your Terminal app, then, at the prompt, type sudo, and add a single space.

From the Resources folder that you left open, drag the file "createinstallmedia" and drop it on your terminal window. You will see the full path to that file appear next to sudo.

Next, type --volume, and add one space to that. (notice there are TWO dashes, not just one)

Now, find the icon for your flash drive (the one you just erased. Should be on your desktop somewhere). Drag that icon into the terminal window. You will see that disk, with its path, added to the line you have been typing.

AND, press enter. You will be asked to enter your admin password.
You will NOT see the password as you type (it's a security feature), just type your password, then press enter. It will work.

Finally, the terminal will ask you to press "y" to start the command that you just typed, so type Y, and press enter.

Then, you will see some numbers appear, showing the progress of the command. Some flash drives will be slow, and can take 30 minutes. It will get to 100%, then do a few final items to complete the installer and make it bootable. And, it's ready to go!

 

[christian1738]

What mac are you running? What version of OCLP are you running? And last but not least, why do you have two USB installer flash drives plugged in?

What mac are you running? What version of OCLP are you running? And last but not least, why do you have two USB installer flash drives plugged in?

I’m running a 2015 15inch MacBook Pro that has Monterey 12.7.1 and I’m running the latest version of OCLP. I don’t have 2 USB plugged in. I have one USB installer that has a boot up for Monterey and Ventura.

 

[christian1738]

After several posts, christian1738 still hasn't posted his hardware, the OCLP version involved or anything necessary to provide applicable help. Snapshots are the least of his problem at the moment, as he is stuck, beached or hung, as you prefer, during the boot sequence. This is a case where "Hmmm..." might be appropriate. What do you think?

256GB 2015 MBP 15inch, latest OCLP and started this process using 12.7.1 Monterey. I think I screwed up, I don’t think i’ll get myself out of this one without losing my data.

 

[davidlv]

256GB 2015 MBP 15inch, latest OCLP and started this process using 12.7.1 Monterey. I think I screwed up, I don’t think i’ll get myself out of this one without losing my data.

Don't worry yet. First do you have another Mac or a friend with a Mac so you can make a new macOS USB install disk? The USB disk you have may be good enough.
Did you install OCLP to that USB disk you have? And What version was it?
In general, OCLP 0.6.8 is high enough, and even version 0.4.11 will work just fine.
If you have another Mac use OCLP version 0.6.8 available at the URL below to make a new USB Monterey installer and post back again. Do NOT format the SSD in that MBP!

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