I couldn't agree with you more in terms of Planned Obsolescence - I've literally had no issues with either Big Sur or Monterey via OCLP since my machine EOL'd at Catalina in 2019. It kinda sticks in my throat to be honest. I'm hoping for a system upgrade towards the end of the year, and it will involve a lot of thinking on my part. I could get a ball-tearer of a Linux machine for the same cost as a Mac Studio M1 Max and that is VERY tempting. This gives me options macOS just doesn't.. I get to stick to Unix/Linux under the bonnet while using the Proton layer to run PC games. Factor in much more hardware flexibility and.. 🤷♂️I'm not crying about anything. I'm stating the current state of Apple's business model. It is planned obsolescence. Your condescending post doesn't change their business model. The reason this is significant is because unlike other manufacturers, Apple makes the hardware and the software and has a far smaller selection of products that they need to main and update ... and this is for a company worth trillions of dollars. It is not like they don't have the resources to support their handful of devices for a longer period of time. It is absurd that they cut off devices like this. And yes, the reason is to push upgrading to newer devices. If this offends your sensibilities, it doesn't change that fact.
As for support, this rings true for their phones. They certainly support their phones longer than other manufacturers, but that's because the iPhone makes up the bulk of their revenue stream.
I'm not sure what angle you're coming from with the negative vibes, but it's entirely unnecessary. My post was mainly to illustrate that patched versions of macOS on older hardware run just fine. I've never had issues with it. I've run new versions of macOS on unsupported hardware for years after they stopped getting updates (which means there is no reason for them to cut off support, because they still run fine on the latest OS). I've also built my share of Hackintoshes for the fun of it.
So basically ... chill out, dude.
This will be interesting.. I'm downloading beta 1 now. I'll try it with OCLP on an external SSD.it seems that they way the OS Loads has changed a lot. The Bootvolume seems to be Encrypted. also the Kernel Extensions are in an Encrypted format now. it seems depending on the platform there are different Decryption files in the Folder "restore/cryptex1" Pls Refer to the attached pictures
Mine finished installing, but when it goes to reboot it doesn't get passed the apple logo and then restarts.My OS13 USB installer keeps locking up at 16 minutes on my 5,1.
Just reporting back
at least the installer is booting, and somewhat starting..My OS13 USB installer keeps locking up at 16 minutes on my 5,1.
Just reporting back
Promising that you got Ventura up on a 2013 machine.iMac Late 2013 21.5 Had a pretty vanilla OCLP on it.
Yeah all pre-Haswell macs are physically unable to boot the OS. Anyone who has a Mac from basically before 2014 should not attempt an upgrade unless there are new developmentsMy OS13 USB installer keeps locking up at 16 minutes on my 5,1.
Just reporting back
Nope. M1 Mac mini does not run rings around the 6,1 Mac Pro. The FirePro GPUs are far better, especially the D700s. And 64GB of RAM is much better for lots of demanding apps (or even 128GB if you need that). Apple sold lots of 6,1s in the last few years of the run. One cloud company in particular purchased boatloads of them. There were some 6,1s manufactured in 2019 and even 2020.
Monterey is still going to get supported for a couple of years thoughYeah I told my buddy not to buy a 2015 MacBook Pro for his son because it was likely to lose support this year. And sure enough, it did. I just had a feeling.
Currently all pre-2014 (pre-Haswell) macs are experiencing similar issues and are unable to boot the OS. Currently there is not a fix so I’m the meantime revert to Monterey until there are new developmentsLast night, at around 20:00 UTC+1, I attempted an installation of macOS 13 on a 2012 iMac, 13,1 which was running 12.5 Beta (21G5037d) on an HDD attached via USB. As reported in posts #10, #100 and #107, the installation failed and booted into recovery mode.The exact time of the failure is not clear.
Today, after several attempts, it was possible to reboot the iMac from the USB. A panic file named
Kernel-2022-06-07-142056.panic was generated. This forum does not allow .panic files to be attached in posts, but the contents are given below. Unfortunately, it is not clear whether the panic file relates to the failed installation or was generated by the reboot process.
A folder called com.apple.DiagnosticExtensions.sysdiagnose containing approx. 700 files was also generated. If the devs think that it might contain something useful, I can try to look for specific items, but uploading 700 mb for the fun of it does not sound like a good idea.
{"timestamp":"2022-06-07 14:20:56.00 +0200","bug_type":"210","os_version":"macOS 12.5 (21G5037d)","incident_id":"B4560B6C-0A7D-4135-863E-6DFDC47517C6"}
{"macOSProcessedStackshotData":"bm8gb24gZGlzayBvciBzbGVlcC93YWtlIGZhaWx1cmUgcGFuaWMgc3RhY2tzaG90IGZvdW5k","macOSPanicString":"panic(cpu 1 caller 0xffffff800a94699f): userspace watchdog timeout: no successful checkins from logd in 120 seconds\nservice returned not alive with context : unresponsive dispatch queue(s): com.apple.firehose.io-wl \nservice: logd, total successful checkins since load (300 seconds ago): 19, last successful checkin: 120 seconds ago\nservice: opendirectoryd, total successful checkins since load (300 seconds ago): 30, last successful checkin: 0 seconds ago\n\nPanicked task 0xffffff94ecb8b090: 4 threads: pid 125: watchdogd\nBacktrace (CPU 1), panicked thread: 0xffffff901f981aa0, Frame : Return Address\n0xffffffffff5d3690 : 0xffffff800747fe7d mach_kernel : _handle_debugger_trap + 0x41d\n0xffffffffff5d36e0 : 0xffffff80075e0fa6 mach_kernel : _kdp_i386_trap + 0x116\n0xffffffffff5d3720 : 0xffffff80075d0313 mach_kernel : _kernel_trap + 0x4d3\n0xffffffffff5d3770 : 0xffffff800741fa70 mach_kernel : _return_from_trap + 0xe0\n0xffffffffff5d3790 : 0xffffff800748024d mach_kernel : _DebuggerTrapWithState + 0xad\n0xffffffffff5d38b0 : 0xffffff800747fa06 mach_kernel : _panic_trap_to_debugger + 0x2b6\n0xffffffffff5d3910 : 0xffffff8007d14bb3 mach_kernel : _panic_with_options + 0x89\n0xffffffffff5d3a00 : 0xffffff800a94699f com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN10IOWatchdog14userspacePanicEP8OSObjectPvP25IOExternalMethodArguments.cold.1 + 0x27\n0xffffffffff5d3a10 : 0xffffff800a9465f2 com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN10IOWatchdog35userspaceDisableUserspaceMonitoringEP8OSObjectPvP25IOExternalMethodArguments\n0xffffffffff5d3a30 : 0xffffff800a945971 com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN20IOWatchdogUserClient14externalMethodEjP25IOExternalMethodArgumentsP24IOExternalMethodDispatchP8OSObjectPv + 0x7f\n0xffffffffff5d3b60 : 0xffffff8007c833dc mach_kernel : _is_io_connect_method + 0x42c\n0xffffffffff5d3cc0 : 0xffffff8007586ca6 mach_kernel : _iokit_server_routine + 0x4f56\n0xffffffffff5d3dd0 : 0xffffff800745aaab mach_kernel : _ipc_kmsg_send + 0x46b\n0xffffffffff5d3e60 : 0xffffff80074712f9 mach_kernel : _mach_msg_overwrite_trap + 0x2c9\n0xffffffffff5d3ef0 : 0xffffff80075b2f7a mach_kernel : _mach_call_munger64 + 0x1ea\n0xffffffffff5d3fa0 : 0xffffff8007420256 mach_kernel : _hndl_mach_scall64 + 0x16\n Kernel Extensions in backtrace:\n com.apple.driver.watchdog(1.0)[578D1B94-EA18-3599-9C8D-777CB4A467F1]@0xffffff800a944000->0xffffff800a946fff\n\nProcess name corresponding to current thread (0xffffff901f981aa0): watchdogd\nBoot args: keepsyms=1 debug=0x100 ipc_control_port_options=0 -revasset\n\nMac OS version:\n21G5037d\n\nKernel version:\nDarwin Kernel Version 21.6.0: Tue May 24 21:21:36 PDT 2022; root:xnu-8020.140.30.121.1~1\/RELEASE_X86_64\nKernel UUID: FCE4D5AF-5DC9-325D-9167-DA6D12AD2E82\nKernelCache slide: 0x0000000007200000\nKernelCache base: 0xffffff8007400000\nKernel slide: 0x0000000007210000\nKernel text base: 0xffffff8007410000\n__HIB text base: 0xffffff8007300000\nSystem model name: iMac13,1 (Mac-00BE6ED71E35EB86)\nSystem shutdown begun: NO\nPanic diags file available: NO (0xe00002bc)\nHibernation exit count: 0\n\nSystem uptime in nanoseconds: 427137037670\nLast Sleep: absolute base_tsc base_nano\n Uptime : 0x00000063735a013e\n Sleep : 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000\n Wake : 0x0000000000000000 0x0000001a10175f20 0x0000000000000000\nCompressor Info: 0% of compressed pages limit (OK) and 0% of segments limit (OK) with 0 swapfiles and OK swap space\nZone info:\n Zone map: 0xffffff801f36e000 - 0xffffffa01f36e000\n . PGZ : 0xffffff801f36e000 - 0xffffff802136f000\n . VM : 0xffffff802136f000 - 0xffffff84edb6e000\n . RO : 0xffffff84edb6e000 - 0xffffff868736e000\n . GEN0 : 0xffffff868736e000 - 0xffffff8b53b6e000\n . GEN1 : 0xffffff8b53b6e000 - 0xffffff902036e000\n . GEN2 : 0xffffff902036e000 - 0xffffff94ecb6e000\n . GEN3 : 0xffffff94ecb6e000 - 0xffffff99b936e000\n . DATA : 0xffffff99b936e000 - 0xffffffa01f36e000\n Metadata: 0xffffffa067cd0000 - 0xffffffa087cd0000\n Bitmaps : 0xffffffa087cd0000 - 0xffffffa08dcd0000\n\n\n\n"}
Please use the famousLast night, at around 20:00 UTC+1, I attempted an installation of macOS 13 on a 2012 iMac, 13,1 which was running 12.5 Beta (21G5037d) on an HDD attached via USB. As reported in posts #10, #100 and #107, the installation failed and booted into recovery mode.The exact time of the failure is not clear.
Today, after several attempts, it was possible to reboot the iMac from the USB. A panic file named
Kernel-2022-06-07-142056.panic was generated. This forum does not allow .panic files to be attached in posts, but the contents are given below. Unfortunately, it is not clear whether the panic file relates to the failed installation or was generated by the reboot process.
A folder called com.apple.DiagnosticExtensions.sysdiagnose containing approx. 700 files was also generated. If the devs think that it might contain something useful, I can try to look for specific items, but uploading 700 mb for the fun of it does not sound like a good idea.
{"timestamp":"2022-06-07 14:20:56.00 +0200","bug_type":"210","os_version":"macOS 12.5 (21G5037d)","incident_id":"B4560B6C-0A7D-4135-863E-6DFDC47517C6"}
{"macOSProcessedStackshotData":"bm8gb24gZGlzayBvciBzbGVlcC93YWtlIGZhaWx1cmUgcGFuaWMgc3RhY2tzaG90IGZvdW5k","macOSPanicString":"panic(cpu 1 caller 0xffffff800a94699f): userspace watchdog timeout: no successful checkins from logd in 120 seconds\nservice returned not alive with context : unresponsive dispatch queue(s): com.apple.firehose.io-wl \nservice: logd, total successful checkins since load (300 seconds ago): 19, last successful checkin: 120 seconds ago\nservice: opendirectoryd, total successful checkins since load (300 seconds ago): 30, last successful checkin: 0 seconds ago\n\nPanicked task 0xffffff94ecb8b090: 4 threads: pid 125: watchdogd\nBacktrace (CPU 1), panicked thread: 0xffffff901f981aa0, Frame : Return Address\n0xffffffffff5d3690 : 0xffffff800747fe7d mach_kernel : _handle_debugger_trap + 0x41d\n0xffffffffff5d36e0 : 0xffffff80075e0fa6 mach_kernel : _kdp_i386_trap + 0x116\n0xffffffffff5d3720 : 0xffffff80075d0313 mach_kernel : _kernel_trap + 0x4d3\n0xffffffffff5d3770 : 0xffffff800741fa70 mach_kernel : _return_from_trap + 0xe0\n0xffffffffff5d3790 : 0xffffff800748024d mach_kernel : _DebuggerTrapWithState + 0xad\n0xffffffffff5d38b0 : 0xffffff800747fa06 mach_kernel : _panic_trap_to_debugger + 0x2b6\n0xffffffffff5d3910 : 0xffffff8007d14bb3 mach_kernel : _panic_with_options + 0x89\n0xffffffffff5d3a00 : 0xffffff800a94699f com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN10IOWatchdog14userspacePanicEP8OSObjectPvP25IOExternalMethodArguments.cold.1 + 0x27\n0xffffffffff5d3a10 : 0xffffff800a9465f2 com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN10IOWatchdog35userspaceDisableUserspaceMonitoringEP8OSObjectPvP25IOExternalMethodArguments\n0xffffffffff5d3a30 : 0xffffff800a945971 com.apple.driver.watchdog : __ZN20IOWatchdogUserClient14externalMethodEjP25IOExternalMethodArgumentsP24IOExternalMethodDispatchP8OSObjectPv + 0x7f\n0xffffffffff5d3b60 : 0xffffff8007c833dc mach_kernel : _is_io_connect_method + 0x42c\n0xffffffffff5d3cc0 : 0xffffff8007586ca6 mach_kernel : _iokit_server_routine + 0x4f56\n0xffffffffff5d3dd0 : 0xffffff800745aaab mach_kernel : _ipc_kmsg_send + 0x46b\n0xffffffffff5d3e60 : 0xffffff80074712f9 mach_kernel : _mach_msg_overwrite_trap + 0x2c9\n0xffffffffff5d3ef0 : 0xffffff80075b2f7a mach_kernel : _mach_call_munger64 + 0x1ea\n0xffffffffff5d3fa0 : 0xffffff8007420256 mach_kernel : _hndl_mach_scall64 + 0x16\n Kernel Extensions in backtrace:\n com.apple.driver.watchdog(1.0)[578D1B94-EA18-3599-9C8D-777CB4A467F1]@0xffffff800a944000->0xffffff800a946fff\n\nProcess name corresponding to current thread (0xffffff901f981aa0): watchdogd\nBoot args: keepsyms=1 debug=0x100 ipc_control_port_options=0 -revasset\n\nMac OS version:\n21G5037d\n\nKernel version:\nDarwin Kernel Version 21.6.0: Tue May 24 21:21:36 PDT 2022; root:xnu-8020.140.30.121.1~1\/RELEASE_X86_64\nKernel UUID: FCE4D5AF-5DC9-325D-9167-DA6D12AD2E82\nKernelCache slide: 0x0000000007200000\nKernelCache base: 0xffffff8007400000\nKernel slide: 0x0000000007210000\nKernel text base: 0xffffff8007410000\n__HIB text base: 0xffffff8007300000\nSystem model name: iMac13,1 (Mac-00BE6ED71E35EB86)\nSystem shutdown begun: NO\nPanic diags file available: NO (0xe00002bc)\nHibernation exit count: 0\n\nSystem uptime in nanoseconds: 427137037670\nLast Sleep: absolute base_tsc base_nano\n Uptime : 0x00000063735a013e\n Sleep : 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000\n Wake : 0x0000000000000000 0x0000001a10175f20 0x0000000000000000\nCompressor Info: 0% of compressed pages limit (OK) and 0% of segments limit (OK) with 0 swapfiles and OK swap space\nZone info:\n Zone map: 0xffffff801f36e000 - 0xffffffa01f36e000\n . PGZ : 0xffffff801f36e000 - 0xffffff802136f000\n . VM : 0xffffff802136f000 - 0xffffff84edb6e000\n . RO : 0xffffff84edb6e000 - 0xffffff868736e000\n . GEN0 : 0xffffff868736e000 - 0xffffff8b53b6e000\n . GEN1 : 0xffffff8b53b6e000 - 0xffffff902036e000\n . GEN2 : 0xffffff902036e000 - 0xffffff94ecb6e000\n . GEN3 : 0xffffff94ecb6e000 - 0xffffff99b936e000\n . DATA : 0xffffff99b936e000 - 0xffffffa01f36e000\n Metadata: 0xffffffa067cd0000 - 0xffffffa087cd0000\n Bitmaps : 0xffffffa087cd0000 - 0xffffffa08dcd0000\n\n\n\n"}
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Please read the first post on page 1. Pre-haswell (2013 and older) macs are unable to boot the OSI would be happy to run it on my top-spec MPB mid-2012 13".(just recently switched from i5 version)
Out of curiosity why are you still on Sierra? I know a lot of people who never upgrade but I would like to know what people’s reasoning is. I can never run old OS’s due to continually degrading software supportI cant believe my nTB 2016 13" MBP is EOL now and doesnt work with Ventura.
Dont really care since its on Sierra and staying there, but makes no sense other than planned obsolescence to support 2017 but not 2016.
Theyre practically the same specs wise. Very close iirc.
as I said before the difference is the Generation of CPU 2016 Models use the i5-6360U / i7-6660U while the 2017 models use i5-7360U / i7-7660U. the difference is the support of 10Bit HEVC Enc/Dec-oding Capability of the 2017 machines and the 2016 doesn't support it and its a core feature of Ventura so the 2016 ones got dropped mostly because of HEVCI cant believe my nTB 2016 13" MBP is EOL now and doesnt work with Ventura.
Dont really care since its on Sierra and staying there, but makes no sense other than planned obsolescence to support 2017 but not 2016.
Theyre practically the same specs wise. Very close iirc.