macOS 14 Sonoma on Unsupported Macs Thread

[vince22]

URGENT: If you are having problems with freezes and crashes using OCLP 0.6.9n and macOS Sonoma 14.0 RC, remove the IntelPowerManagement kexts from EFI/OC/kexts and config.plist

They are what are causing this problem, including hibernation, and the system itself already manages all of this well, it already has these kexts natively.

If you don't want to have freezing problems and want hibernation to work correctly, remove these kexts.

They have problems from Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura and now Sonoma.

Thanks Webg3, this is good for my 3rd party SSD drive NVMefix.kext already added, it helps battery drain, Universal control works too. Thanks Devs.

 

[hvds]

Thanks for the reminder…. I already jumped though, and screwed up my MBP. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, and I will just wait for the official OCLP 0.6.9. Right now I keep getting unsupported OS when I try and patch root.

As it is for Sonoma, did you use the sonoma-development branch in Github?
The main branch works upto Ventura.
The symptom looks like this.

 

[sicole1804]

I know this is for unsupported macs etc but how are you guys getting Sonoma RC to show in settings? Stupid question I know but it’s not showing for me on my intel based MacBook Pro 2020.. I went back to latest Ventura and Sonoma RC showed but wouldn’t download it, pic below is the error it shows when trying to download from Ventura

 

[deeveedee]

Devs are moving faster than I expected them to. I love their "underpromise, over deliver" philosophy and work ethic!

 

[davidlv]

I know this is for unsupported macs etc but how are you guys getting Sonoma RC to show in settings? Stupid question I know but it’s not showing for me on my intel based MacBook Pro 2020.. I went back to latest Ventura and Sonoma RC showed but wouldn’t download it, pic below is the error it shows when trying to download from Ventura

Software Update, Public Beta ON?
Should show the Sonoma 14.0 update which is the RC

 

[TheSl0th]

Devs are moving faster than I expected them to. I love their "underpromise, over deliver" philosophy and work ethic!

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I mean, they are doing a great job, but why is the fact that they merged the main branch into the Sonoma branch evidence for fast movement? It just means that they are keeping their Sonoma branch up to date with any recent changes from the main branch, which is a common and regular thing to do in this sort of situation. It doesn't tell you anything about how far along the Sonoma branch is.

Maybe you thought the merge was the other way round (Sonoma into main?).

 

[davidlv]

Devs are moving faster than I expected them to. I love their "underpromise, over deliver" philosophy and work ethic!

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Updated my iMAc 15,1 to the 9-18-2023 Sonoma branch OCLP 0.6.9n, all OK including post install root patches - yes the devs are something aren't they?
I can never understand why Apple doesn't outright buy them out, lock stock and barrel. They are obviously better than the whole wing over at HQ working on the next system!

 

[deeveedee]

I mean, they are doing a great job, but why is the fact that they merged the main branch into the Sonoma branch evidence for fast movement? It just means that they are keeping their Sonoma branch up to date with any recent changes from the main branch, which is a common and regular thing to do in this sort of situation. It doesn't tell you anything about how far along the Sonoma branch is.

Maybe you thought the merge was the other way round (Sonoma into main?).

Think carefully about what you just said... maybe you'll be laughing as hard as I am.

EDIT: This was posted by Devs on June 7. It's September.

 

[davidlv]

Devs are moving faster than I expected them to. I love their "underpromise, over deliver" philosophy and work ethic!

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Updated my iMAc 15,1 to the 9-18-2023 Sonoma branch OCLP 0.6.9n, all OK including post install root patches - yes the devs are something aren't they?
I can never understand why Apple doesn't outright buy them out, lock stock and barrel. They are obviously better than most!

 

[Sven G]

URGENT: If you are having problems with freezes and crashes using OCLP 0.6.9n and macOS Sonoma 14.0 RC, remove the IntelPowerManagement kexts from EFI/OC/kexts and config.plist

They are what are causing this problem, including hibernation, and the system itself already manages all of this well, it already has these kexts natively.

If you don't want to have freezing problems and want hibernation to work correctly, remove these kexts.

They have problems from Big Sur, Monterey, Ventura and now Sonoma.

No such (Apple)Intel kexts present in my OCLP 0.6.9n for Sonoma configuration (with the defaults, except for no boot picker): so, the occasional display sleep-related freezes previously described on the MBP11,3 must have some other origin (BTW, pmset with defaults)…

 

[Doctor1101]

One question. OCPL 0.6.9 does not have autoupdate for now and I must redownload and reinstall it manually every new update, right?

 

[zero.x23]

Right now I run 13.5.2 with OCLP 0.6.8. on my MMP 11,3.
OpenCore Bootloader Version is 0.9.2

Do I need to update not only OCLP to "Sonoma Version" when it's ready. Do I have to update OpenCore Bootloader to the actual version 0.9.5 bevor and than update my 11,3 to Sonoma with OCLP? (I never updated OpenCore.... i don't know how...)

 

[deeveedee]

@zero.x23 OCLP. Devs will eventually include OC 0.9.5 in an OCLP update. If you don't know how to update OC on your own, don't worry about it.

 

[deeveedee]

*** For those who build OCLP for testing (not needed if you download the pre-built nightly build of OCLP) ***

Devs are building the Sonoma-development branch with Python3 3.11. There are multiple ways to upgrade Python on macOS. I chose to visit python.org and download the latest 3.11.5 release. After I installed Python3 version 3.11, I deleted /Library/Frameworks/Python.framework/Versions/3.10.

 

[hvds]

MBP5,2: OTA installed 14.0 RC (23A339) over beta7 on external SSD, using latest sonoma-branch of OCLP (last commit "fix non-metal PhotoBooth"). New in this version is the use of patcher support package 1.2.9 and some preferences settings.

I'm not a PhotoBooth user and didn't test it.

One thing I don't get to work at present is "show desktop", which used to be the "right option key" shortcut. Enabling an active edge for it has no effect either. Don't remember if it worked with b7 or earlier OCLP. - Not important anyway.

Enjoying good graphics performance, working WLAN, working sleep/wake etc etc ... Thanks developers!


EDIT: reverting root patches brings back the "show desktop" functionality. Other tries (using previous PSP 1.2.8, and changing latest preference settings made by the patcher) had no effect.

Using latest OCLP sonoma-development branch now on MBP5,2. No obvious differences.

Updated Python to 3.11.5, updated Py modules by running pip3 on requirements.txt, than ran OCLP from source to update EFI and to apply latest post-install patches.
Tried the cosmetic setting for animated spinning wheel (sudo defaults write /Library/Preferences/.GlobalPreferences.plist Moraea.EnableSpinHack -bool true). It still works in Sonoma.
show desktop: no changes i.e. windows don't go away. An effect observed though: there is a transparent darker band just below the menu bar, so there is a reaction (to right opt key or an active edge in my case).

This 14-year old mbp5,2 runs very well with Sonoma and OCLP. Thanks to developers!

 

[Sven G]

A strange thing that happened on my MBP11,3 after upgrading from Ventura to Sonoma (and from Parallels 18 to 19): in all my macOS VMs, the Apple paravirtualized graphics driver - the one with acceleration and transparency effects also inside the VM - won’t work anymore, with only a black screen and a frozen VM; while in Ventura it worked perfectly, albeit with only the iGPU on. So, now the macOS VMs work only with the classic, non-accelerated Parallels graphics driver: who knows why…?

 

[nekton1]

A strange thing that happened on my MBP11,3 after upgrading from Ventura to Sonoma (and from Parallels 18 to 19): in all my macOS VMs, the Apple paravirtualized graphics driver - the one with acceleration and transparency effects also inside the VM - won’t work anymore, with only a black screen and a frozen VM; while in Ventura it worked perfectly, albeit with only the iGPU on. So, now the macOS VMs work only with the classic, non-accelerated Parallels graphics driver: who knows why…?

Had a few hours for playtime over a long weekend and managed to get Sonoma RC installed on a Mac Pro 3,1 (2008) with RX580 GPU and SSD. It took about five manual restarts, but got there in the end. Very impressive work by devs.
The only one minor problem is that, at each restart, it shows a dialog saying that there was a problem at the last boot and to Cancel or Close the dialog. I haven't found a way to stop this dialog display. Any answers?

 

[javinv]

Everything working smoothly on MacBookPro14,3 after latest nightly update:

- Resume from sleeps works!!
- Radeon Pro 555 works and is no longer detected as Polaris. All things related to it work amazingly well (external display and change between graphic chipsets!)

 

[StefanAM]

Had a few hours for playtime over a long weekend and managed to get Sonoma RC installed on a Mac Pro 3,1 (2008) with RX580 GPU and SSD. It took about five manual restarts, but got there in the end. Very impressive work by devs.
The only one minor problem is that, at each restart, it shows a dialog saying that there was a problem at the last boot and to Cancel or Close the dialog. I haven't found a way to stop this dialog display. Any answers?

/Library/Logs: delete all. Reboot.

 

[deeveedee]

Everything working smoothly on MacBookPro14,3 after latest nightly update:

- Resume from sleeps works!!
- Radeon Pro 555 works and is no longer detected as Polaris. All things related to it works amazingly well (external display and change between graphic chipsets!)

😀😀😀

I'm surprised it took the Devs this long to fix it. 😂😂

 

[nekton1]

/Library/Logs: delete all. Reboot.

Thank you StefanAM. That solved the issue.

 

[MacinMan]

So, here is a question, I am going to keep Monterey as my main install as it's the last officially supported macOS for this iMac and will keep it mainly to receive firmware updates. I have Ventura installed on an external drive, and it seems to be working as good as Monterey does natively without OCLP. The question is, when Sonoma is released, will it be ready to start testing and run? I'm asking because I'm wanting to know, if I should just skip Ventura at the point, and go to testing Sonoma as my secondary OS. Anyone have any useful feedback while testing the betas? This would be on a late 2015, 27" iMac. Acording to Jesse, of Jesse's Flying Old Macs, he said if your Mac is Metal compatible, and it runs Ventura, then it should run Sonoma without issues. So, if anyone any info at this point to share, I'd be curious.

Thanks

 

[Macdctr]

So, here is a question, I am going to keep Monterey as my main install as it's the last officially supported macOS for this iMac and will keep it mainly to receive firmware updates. I have Ventura installed on an external drive, and it seems to be working as good as Monterey does natively without OCLP. The question is, when Sonoma is released, will it be ready to start testing and run? I'm asking because I'm wanting to know, if I should just skip Ventura at the point, and go to testing Sonoma as my secondary OS. Anyone have any useful feedback while testing the betas? This would be on a late 2015, 27" iMac. Acording to Jesse, of Jesse's Flying Old Macs, he said if your Mac is Metal compatible, and it runs Ventura, then it should run Sonoma without issues. So, if anyone any info at this point to share, I'd be curious.

Thanks

I waited until OCLP 0.6.9n was available before installing Sonoma on my 2015 11-inch MacBook Air. I tested Sonoma on this laptop for a few weeks using it for usual things . . . email/mail, streaming videos (YouTube), using Apple TV and iTunes, Internet browsing and transferring files. I had Sonoma Developer Beta 4 running on my AIR with only 8GB RAM available and I did not have any issue running Sonoma so after evaluating it for two weeks and not having any major issues I decided to install Sonoma on my other 2015 MacBook Pro laptops and have been running Sonoma and have updated all my laptops to Release Candidate (23A339). From what I can see you should not have any issue running Sonoma w/ OCLP 0.6.9n on your computer.

 

[davidlv]

So, here is a question, I am going to keep Monterey as my main install as it's the last officially supported macOS for this iMac and will keep it mainly to receive firmware updates. I have Ventura installed on an external drive, and it seems to be working as good as Monterey does natively without OCLP. The question is, when Sonoma is released, will it be ready to start testing and run? I'm asking because I'm wanting to know, if I should just skip Ventura at the point, and go to testing Sonoma as my secondary OS. Anyone have any useful feedback while testing the betas? This would be on a late 2015, 27" iMac. Acording to Jesse, of Jesse's Flying Old Macs, he said if your Mac is Metal compatible, and it runs Ventura, then it should run Sonoma without issues. So, if anyone any info at this point to share, I'd be curious.

Thanks

My late 2014 iMac 15,1 is running the latest RC (public beta, macOS Sonoma 14.0 in Software Update) just fine with the Sonoma branch OCLP version dated 9-18-2023. I have seen no issues at all, seems more stable than Ventura was, and it is at least as quick and responsive, if not more so. IMO, yes, Sonoma would be an excellent OS for that iMac. Probably better on the internal SSD with Monterey on the external.
What is the internal drive on your iMac, SSD or HDD? I have the feeling that Sonoma is designed for use with an SSD.
No empirical data, just a feeling.

 

[rbart]

So, here is a question, I am going to keep Monterey as my main install as it's the last officially supported macOS for this iMac and will keep it mainly to receive firmware updates. I have Ventura installed on an external drive, and it seems to be working as good as Monterey does natively without OCLP. The question is, when Sonoma is released, will it be ready to start testing and run? I'm asking because I'm wanting to know, if I should just skip Ventura at the point, and go to testing Sonoma as my secondary OS. Anyone have any useful feedback while testing the betas? This would be on a late 2015, 27" iMac. Acording to Jesse, of Jesse's Flying Old Macs, he said if your Mac is Metal compatible, and it runs Ventura, then it should run Sonoma without issues. So, if anyone any info at this point to share, I'd be curious.

Thanks

I have the same iMac as you
For the moment Ventura is a bit better for us. I have noticed 2 issues in Sonoma :
- setup process before patching (and after each OS update) is painful. It’s so slow and sluggish that it’s a nightmare to type your password. Once it’s patched, it’s perfectly smooth
- some HEIC video thumbnails are green in photos.app. But when you open the video, it’s normal

So it’s not as good as Ventura but we are close