MP 1,1-5,1 MacPro5,1: BootROM thread | 144.0.0.0.0

[startergo]

Your hardware didn't change, still PCIe2.0. Now GPUs are correctly identified and run at 5.0GT/s. Changing slots won't change anything for PCIe SSDs.

Benchmarks got some little/marginal increase.
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Download DP7/PB6 then open the installer, most people got the firmware update instructions screen but for some the update was blocked with some cards (GTX1080, RX470 and even a supported EFI GTX680). We still don't know exactly why, but we're trying to figure.

With Nvidia cards, Apple change Metal support in Mojave, from family1v3 in 10.13.6 to family1v4 in Mojave.

Well I got opposite results:
My RX580/480 is still showing 2.5GT/s and my PCIe SSD as 5GT/s (slot4). That is not what I was hoping for. Did I get a bad flash? By the way I have upgraded from MP51.0084.B00 straight to 138. It did everything automatically. I also have some issues with black screen and I have to switch DVI ports on the back to get the card initialized.

 

[tsialex]

Well I got opposite results:
My RX580/480 is still showing 2.5GT/s and my PCIe SSD as 5GT/s (slot4). That is not what I was hoping for. Did I get a bad flash? By the way I have upgraded from MP51.0084.B00 straight to 138. It did everything automatically. I also have some issues with black screen and I have to switch DVI ports on the back to get the card initialized.

Dump your BootROM with ROMTool.zip, compress it and PM me it, I'll take a look.

What is your RX 580 frame buffer (HardwareInfo>PCI>Radeon RX 580>Name), Radeon or Orinoco?

 

[startergo]

Dump your BootROM with ROMTool.zip, compress it and PM me it, I'll take a look.

What is your RX 580 frame buffer (HardwareInfo>PCI>Radeon RX 580>Name), Radeon or Orinoco?

Radeon RX 480:



Name: ATY,AMD,RadeonFramebuffer

Type: Display Controller

Driver Installed: Yes

MSI: Yes

Bus: PCI

Slot: Slot-1

Vendor ID: 0x1002

Device ID: 0x67df

Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1028

Subsystem ID: 0x1701

Revision ID: 0x00c7

Link Width: x16

Link Speed: 2.5 GT/s

The roms are in this link. Please tell me which rom is relevant:

mx25l3206e

MX25L3205D/MX25L3208D

MX25L3205(A)?

 

[Squuiid]

Well I got opposite results:
My RX580/480 is still showing 2.5GT/s and my PCIe SSD as 5GT/s (slot4). That is not what I was hoping for. Did I get a bad flash? By the way I have upgraded from MP51.0084.B00 straight to 138. It did everything automatically. I also have some issues with black screen and I have to switch DVI ports on the back to get the card initialized.

Have you gone into system profiler and confirmed that your firmware is indeed 138.0.0.0.0?
Please could you post a screenshot with the details for firmware as well as PCI?

 

[eksu]

Well I got opposite results:
My RX580/480 is still showing 2.5GT/s and my PCIe SSD as 5GT/s (slot4). That is not what I was hoping for. Did I get a bad flash? By the way I have upgraded from MP51.0084.B00 straight to 138. It did everything automatically. I also have some issues with black screen and I have to switch DVI ports on the back to get the card initialized.

Sounds like you're not on the latest firmware. If this were the case, we would expect your PCIe SSD to be at 5GT/s due to it going through a PCIe switch.

 

[startergo]

Sounds like you're not on the latest firmware. If this were the case, we would expect your PCIe SSD to be at 5GT/s due to it going through a PCIe switch.

Have you gone into system profiler and confirmed that your firmware is indeed 138.0.0.0.0?
Please could you post a screenshot with the details for firmware as well as PCI?

Hardware Overview:

Model Name: Mac Pro
Model Identifier: MacPro5,1
Processor Name: 6-Core Intel Xeon
Processor Speed: 3.46 GHz
Number of Processors: 2
Total Number of Cores: 12
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per Processor): 12 MB
Memory: 128 GB
Boot ROM Version: 138.0.0.0.0
SMC Version (system): 1.39f11
SMC Version (processor tray): 1.39f11

pci1b21,625:

Type: AHCI Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@7,0,0
Vendor ID: 0x1b21
Device ID: 0x0625
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x16b8
Subsystem ID: 0x6a12
Revision ID: 0x0001
Link Width: x2
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

pci1b21,625:

Type: AHCI Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@6,0,0
Vendor ID: 0x1b21
Device ID: 0x0625
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x16b8
Subsystem ID: 0x6a12
Revision ID: 0x0001
Link Width: x1
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

pci1002,aaf0:

Type: Audio Device
Driver Installed: No
MSI: No
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0xaaf0
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1028
Subsystem ID: 0xaaf0
Revision ID: 0x0000
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 2.5 GT/s

Radeon RX 480:

Name: ATY,AMD,RadeonFramebuffer
Type: Display Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-1
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x67df
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1028
Subsystem ID: 0x1701
Revision ID: 0x00c7
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 2.5 GT/s

 

[MisterAndrew]

We should see the Mojave GM today in about 30 mins. Fingers crossed it has a new firmware that gives us boot screens.

 

[tsialex]

We should see the Mojave GM today in about 30 mins. Fingers crossed it has a new firmware that gives us boot screens.

The last half hour of hope…

 

[MisterAndrew]

Well, no GM I guess. Here's hoping to 10.14.1 beta...

 

[RamMac]

The last half hour of hope…

No GM yet. Could it be so that Apple has so many things on to do list?

 

[star-affinity]

Sorry if it has been brought up before, but how does one install Mojave if the Mac EFI GPU one has doesn't support Metal? Involve another Mac? Maybe I can just upgrade from High Sierra without seeing the boot screen — don't think I will spend the time to install from scratch.

 

[tsialex]

Mojave installer don't work without a Metal GPU. Nor startosinstall.

You can install on another supported Mac, but without a supported Metal GPU, you don't have acceleration.

 

[MisterAndrew]

Sorry if it has been brought up before, but how does one install Mojave if the Mac EFI GPU one has doesn't support Metal? Involve another Mac? Maybe I can just upgrade from High Sierra without seeing the boot screen — don't think I will spend the time to install from scratch.

You could try dosdude’s patcher depending on the GPU (e.g. GT 120).

http://dosdude1.com/mojave/

 

[startergo]

I just want to report that my RX480 in slot 2 reports 5GT/s speed in contrast to slot 1 where it still shows 2.5GT/s. Looks like HDMI audio is enabled too. Slot 4 is occupied by Tempo SSD Pro Plus with 2 SSD's and is recognized as 5GT/s Slot 3 is covered by the RX480 card so I cannot test it but I think it will be 2.5 GT/s. That is definitely not how I want to use my PCIE slots:

pci1b21,625:

Type: AHCI Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@7,0,0
Vendor ID: 0x1b21
Device ID: 0x0625
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x16b8
Subsystem ID: 0x6a12
Revision ID: 0x0001
Link Width: x2
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s


pci1b21,625:

Type: AHCI Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-4@6,0,0
Vendor ID: 0x1b21
Device ID: 0x0625
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x16b8
Subsystem ID: 0x6a12
Revision ID: 0x0001
Link Width: x1
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

pci1002,aaf0:

Type: Audio Device
Driver Installed: No
MSI: No
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0xaaf0
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1028
Subsystem ID: 0xaaf0
Revision ID: 0x0000
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

Radeon RX 480:

Name: ATY,AMD,RadeonFramebuffer
Type: Display Controller
Driver Installed: Yes
MSI: Yes
Bus: PCI
Slot: Slot-2
Vendor ID: 0x1002
Device ID: 0x67df
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x1028
Subsystem ID: 0x1701
Revision ID: 0x00c7
Link Width: x16
Link Speed: 5.0 GT/s

 

[tpivette89]

No GM yet. Could it be so that Apple has so many things on to do list?

Thought I read that Mojave will be publicly released on 9/24?

 

[bookemdano]

Thought I read that Mojave will be publicly released on 9/24?

Yes but normally the GM (Final) build is released to beta testers at least a few days before the public release. There is still some debate on the Mojave forum over whether the build Apple released last week is the GM. It lacks a beta designation in the build number, but it also includes the Feedback Assistant in the dock, which normally gets removed for a non-beta release. Folks aren't really sure at this point whether the public release has been delayed or not. Guess we'll find out in a couple of days.

 

[flowrider]

^^^^Gosh, all this GM discussion here and in the other thread is IMHO, just plain silly. I haven't tested beta OS's since I installed my GTX 1080 back in April of '17. "Feedback Assistant" is IN MY DOCK in HS 10.13.6!!!! AND it works! I fully expect the final release of Mojave on Monday and within 24 hours, or maybe sooner, the Nvidia release of the matching Web Driver. "Feedback Assistant" will still be in my dock! I still can't figure out why this topic is taking up so much space.

Lou

 

[tsialex]

^^^^Gosh, all this GM discussion here and in the other thread is IMHO, just plain silly. I haven't tested beta OS's since I installed my GTX 1080 back in April of '17. "Feedback Assistant" is IN MY DOCK in HS 10.13.6!!!! AND it works! I fully expect the final release of Mojave on Monday and within 24 hours, or maybe sooner, the Nvidia release of the matching Web Driver. "Feedback Assistant" will still be in my dock! I still can't figure out why this topic is taking up so much space.

Lou

I'm not anxious about Mojave itself, but to see what Apple will say about FileVault and Mac Pro 5,1. Cupertino will state on the FV2 support article that MP5,1 will not work with Mojave? Even with EFI GPUs?

What about BootCamp support? Broken forever?

Monday will be a interesting day.

 

[bookemdano]

I care less about Boot Camp Assistant being blocked, since you can't use it to install Windows 10 and the driver package it provides for the cMP is old. For us, it's much better to install EFI Win10 directly from a USB drive onto a separate drive and use brigadier to get the most recent Boot Camp driver/app package.

But it really and truly sucks if Apple is going to block FileVault from people who purchased a Metal-compatible "Mac Edition" card (7950/680). This of course comes down to $$. Apple could easily solve this problem, but I suspect they were given a modest budget to make the cMP compatible and probably blew it all on adding CPU microcode and fixing the firmware updater to work without an EFI GPU.

Still no HDMI audio on their recommended cards either. Really mystifying why they haven't fixed that as it would be so easy to do.

 

[tsialex]

I care less about Boot Camp Assistant being blocked, since you can't use it to install Windows 10 and the driver package it provides for the cMP is old. For us, it's much better to install EFI Win10 directly from a USB drive onto a separate drive and use brigadier to get the most recent Boot Camp driver/app package.

It's not a driver issue, we easily circumvent that. Without a BootCamp Control Panel working correctly on Windows, you can't return to macOS without having to reset PRAM if you don't have a EFI GPU. Let's not forget people who have Nvidia GPUs only supported by the web driver.

 

[cMP 31 4eva]

It's not a driver issue, we easily circumvent that. Without a BootCamp Control Panel working correctly on Windows, you can't return to macOS without having to reset PRAM if you don't have a EFI GPU. Let's not forget people who have Nvidia GPUs only supported by the web driver.

Hello @tsialex I see in your .sig that you have a cMP 3,1. Can the 138.0.0.0.0 firmware be applied to a cMP3,1? Perhaps in conjunction with the dosdude1 patcher? I ask because including "3,1" in your .sig makes it exceedingly difficult to sort through this thread for answers as every one of your posts is returned.

I used ROMTOOL to patch in NVMe boot support, but because I run a Samsung 970 slots 1 and 2 revert back to PCIe 1.0 instead of 2.0. It appears this firmware addresses that.

If it's not possible to install 138.0.0.0.0 on a cMP3,1, could whatever magic was performed on that firmware to enable proper PCIe lane speeds be done to my existing firmware, in a similar fashion as to how NVMe boot support was added?
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Hello @tsialex I see in your .sig that you have a cMP 3,1. Can the 138.0.0.0.0 firmware be applied to a cMP3,1? Perhaps in conjunction with the dosdude1 patcher? I ask because including "3,1" in your .sig makes it exceedingly difficult to sort through this thread for answers as every one of your posts is returned.

I used ROMTOOL to patch in NVMe boot support, but because I run a Samsung 970 slots 1 and 2 revert back to PCIe 1.0 instead of 2.0. It appears this firmware addresses that.

If it's not possible to install 138.0.0.0.0 on a cMP3,1, could whatever magic was performed on that firmware to enable proper PCIe lane speeds be done to my existing firmware, in a similar fashion as to how NVMe boot support was added?

I see you've already answered many of my questions in another thread. Could you address the last one?

If it's not possible to install 138.0.0.0.0 on a cMP3,1, could whatever magic was performed on that firmware to enable proper PCIe lane speeds be done to my existing firmware, in a similar fashion as to how NVMe boot support was added?

 

[tsialex]

Hello @tsialex I see in your .sig that you have a cMP 3,1. Can the 138.0.0.0.0 firmware be applied to a cMP3,1? Perhaps in conjunction with the dosdude1 patcher? I ask because including "3,1" in your .sig makes it exceedingly difficult to sort through this thread for answers as every one of your posts is returned.

I used ROMTOOL to patch in NVMe boot support, but because I run a Samsung 970 slots 1 and 2 revert back to PCIe 1.0 instead of 2.0. It appears this firmware addresses that.

If it's not possible to install 138.0.0.0.0 on a cMP3,1, could whatever magic was performed on that firmware to enable proper PCIe lane speeds be done to my existing firmware, in a similar fashion as to how NVMe boot support was added?

First the most basic thing, the hardware is completely different. MP3,1 uses Xeons derived from Penryn C2D processors, MP4,1 and 5,1 use Nehalem and Westmere Xeon Processors.

Second, the MP3,1 firmware is stored on a 16MBit firmware HUB flash memory (2MB in size), MP4,1 and 5,1 on a 32Mbit SPI flash memory (4MB).

 

[cMP 31 4eva]

First the most basic thing, the hardware is completely different. MP3,1 uses Xeons derived from Penryn C2D processors, MP4,1 and 5,1 use Nehalem and Westmere Xeon Processors.

Second, the MP3,1 firmware is stored on a 16MBit firmware HUB flash memory (2MB in size), MP4,1 and 5,1 on a 32Mbit SPI flash memory (4MB).

Ahhh. I see. Was the PCIe lane speed issue addressed natively within the apple provided firmware? Was it added by the community? I guess you're saying the architecture is so different it wouldn't apply anyway?

 

[bookemdano]

It's not a driver issue, we easily circumvent that. Without a BootCamp Control Panel working correctly on Windows, you can't return to macOS without having to reset PRAM if you don't have a EFI GPU. Let's not forget people who have Nvidia GPUs only supported by the web driver.

Yes but the BootCamp control panel issue affects every Mac, not just the cMP. And the workaround (boot picker) is going to continue to work for 7950/680 users (or owners of MVC cards). It's specifically "Boot Camp Assistant" which appears to be blocked now on the cMP no matter what GPU is installed. I was just saying it's not a huge loss to lose BCA because it's best to install Windows from USB on its own drive anyway.

 

[tsialex]

Ahhh. I see. Was the PCIe lane speed issue addressed natively within the apple provided firmware? Was it added by the community? I guess you're saying the architecture is so different it wouldn't apply anyway?

I answered about that on the other thread.