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iPhone 16e Many complain about 16e price, but their body action is the most honest
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Even for non-technical people, switching from a Pixel or Samsung will make something wrong with the screen
Apple does not want to cannibalize the Pro line. That's the only reason.
The 16e makes no sense to me. It's just too similar to their current lineup, it's too pricey and it has too many compromises.
In my country, it sells for the exact same price as the regular 15. So you lose the brighter screen, magsafe, dynamic island, the ultrawide lens, in exchange for a newer chip and "apple intelligence", which doesn't work in europe / my language anyway.
In my country, it sells for the exact same price as the regular 15. So you lose the brighter screen, magsafe, dynamic island, the ultrawide lens, in exchange for a newer chip and "apple intelligence", which doesn't work in europe / my language anyway.
I'm not sure how pricing is set, but in the US the 16e is 17% cheaper than the regular 15.
An while you're right about the compromises, it also has some areas where it's better. It has apple intelligence, it has an A18 chip set, a better battery life, and probably most important; will get a couple more years of support than the regular 15.
This is not a phone for power users (the SE series never was). this is a phone for elderly people, children, and people that don't use their phone much, don't care about specs much, and just want a nice, stable phone that they can keep for 5+ years. If it doesn't make sense for you, just don't buy it...
An while you're right about the compromises, it also has some areas where it's better. It has apple intelligence, it has an A18 chip set, a better battery life, and probably most important; will get a couple more years of support than the regular 15.
This is not a phone for power users (the SE series never was). this is a phone for elderly people, children, and people that don't use their phone much, don't care about specs much, and just want a nice, stable phone that they can keep for 5+ years. If it doesn't make sense for you, just don't buy it...
What do you mean for “tech people”. When I was holding my 60hz iPhone 11 Pro next or near to someone’s else’s, or when someone showed me something on their screen, if their phone has a higher refresh rate you see it in every animation. You might not know why it is but you do notice that it is, even compared to Pro iPhones.
if you know what refresh rates are an you care about that spec, then you qualify as a "tech person" in this context.
this phone is being made for people that don't know and/or don't care about that spec.
No idea what you are talking about, but my body does not move one mm towards Apple Store to buy one. However, for their asking price they should run after me.
You solved the ‘e’ mystery in the 16e name, it’s 16elderly. 😂
Maybe, but one denotes the screen refresh rate and the other rendering speed - different things.
I'd bet, if you ask 10 random people on the street what the refresh rate of their phone is, you'll only get blank stares. Even if you show them an iPhone with 120Hz next to one with 60Hz, I doubt more than 1% of people will notice. Heck, my mother (mid 60ies) wasn't even irritaded when a lighting element of her Samsung TV went bust and there was a noticeable darker area in around 1/4 of the screen.
I work in TV, and sadly, most video editors don't even notice a difference when they put a 30fps video into a 25fps timeline (thus introducing skipped frames).
Sure a lot of younger people probably can see a difference if they make an effort, but I doubt even most of those really care about the difference between 60hz and 120hz. Some are obviously passionate about it, but it's pretty niche and in general not anything people seem to value more than size, weight, buttons, durability, battery, color, speaker sound, camera, and 100 other things.
To get the funky colors, obviously. I have to admit, I'd be envious of a blue iphone16 if I only had a white or black 16e. Luckily, apple designs their phones to be that fragile that you have to hide them in a case anyway.
And yes, pictures taken with the wide angle camera do look pretty ugly. I only use it for remembering things (e.g. how a room looked like) or if I want to make something look strange because of the distortion. Never understood the point why the 2nd camera wasn't a zoom instead. That would be so much more useful (and look better).
People salty because they paid top dollar for Pro Maxes that are essentially the same phone. Has screen and runs iOS.
This is exactly the phone I'd recommend for someone who just needs a good, solid smartphone that's likely to get quite a good number of years of support and the ability to run whatever apps you're likely to need. Not a phone for "enthusiasts" or photo hobbyists or people who want the latest and greatest or are going to get all huffy because the refresh rate is "only" 60hz.
I'm probably the target customer for one, if I don't drift into a cheap Android phone instead.
I'm nearly 70.
I've turned off nearly all the alerts on my phone.
I travel a fair amount, but photography isn't a priority.
Pretty much the only thing I do on my phone is a couple of WhatsApp messages a day.
I don't use Siri and have no interest in AI on my phone.
I use a Mac, and I like my 10s Max. But I'm don't see any reason to pay $1000 for my next phone.
ChatGPT tells me that the average American buys a phone priced over $800. That surprises me.
I'm nearly 70.
I've turned off nearly all the alerts on my phone.
I travel a fair amount, but photography isn't a priority.
Pretty much the only thing I do on my phone is a couple of WhatsApp messages a day.
I don't use Siri and have no interest in AI on my phone.
I use a Mac, and I like my 10s Max. But I'm don't see any reason to pay $1000 for my next phone.
ChatGPT tells me that the average American buys a phone priced over $800. That surprises me.
That's a little misleading.
I switched from android to an iphone when the 12 lineup came out. I got a 12 pro max. It was over $1,000, but I bought it knowing that was the only time I would have to pay that much, as iphones retain their trade-in value so well and the carriers offer big deals for iphone trades.
I financed the 12 pro max for 30 months and waited 6 more until the 15 series came out. Verizon gave me over $800 to trade in the 12 pro max toward a 15 pro max. The pro max came with free 36 month financing. I will use it for 3 years, then repeat with an 18 pro max.
There is also the fact that Steve Jobs wasn’t stupid, and would respond to what the market wanted.
If anyone thinks Steve would've just watched as products like the Galaxy Note started to take over the market, you clearly don’t understand Apple.
A similar example, when the iPod started to struggle against super cheap flash players around 2004ish, Steve didn’t just sit back and let it happen. He released the iPod nano and shuffle, which quickly became the products that launched the iPod from a slightly successful product to an enormously successful product.
Bigger iPhones were inevitable. If you need any more convincing, Steve was against a smaller iPad… Until some of his very last moments at Apple, when he green lit the project that led to the iPad mini.
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Yeah but you can not know what it is and still see a difference.
It’s not like you unlock some enchanted eyes the first time the concept of a refresh rate is explained to you. People can see image quality without knowing what a MP is too.
I think the other thing that makes a refresh rate a pretty much irrelevant specification for the majority of people is that… you don’t really notice it unless you were putting devices right next to each other, which people are rarely doing.
The fact that to explain the feature, you have to directly compare it to something without it for it to even be noticed immediately makes it less important than a lot of other things.
It’s a product, if it’s not for you don’t buy it and if it is then buy it, try it and if you like it keep it if not return it, why is this so complicated. Sometimes I wonder if some MR forum members are Apple employees or groupies, it’s confusing as to why people have to justify any Apple product to the rest.
I essentially believe that the 16 Pro should be $599, and the Pro Max $699, so don't even get me started on the 16e and all its compromises.
Right, which would place you in the "cares about that spec" category.
If you care about it, this phone isn't for you. But there are tons of people that will buy this phone and never have any idea what refresh rate is.
like Jake earlier I am probably in the target audience (wrong side of 70), use the phone for calls and txt messages (of which 75 % are scammers/spammers) as well as the fitness app. I'm using a se 2020 it works well, and battery life is currently at 86 % - so no reason to buy a new one. I use the phone's camera to photograph boxes when shopping to check manufacturer's specs at my leisure. buy a phone that meets your needs, just like transportation. conspicuous consumption is not necessarily a poor choice, but does lead to waste of your financial resources.