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The average house cost 709 16e
The average car 63.

Not a good comparison.

And an iPhone costs the same as 100,000 disposable dinner plates.
1,000,000 disposable straws.

So maybe calling an iPhone a “disposable” item is not a good comparison?
 
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I agree with what you are saying. It's definitely NOT more expensive today to implmement these upgrades as it would have been four or five years ago.

As I have said before I think Apple was squeezed into a tight spot here. If they had kept the iPhone 16E price the same as the outgoing SE model, it would have made people realize just how much the 16 is overpriced to begin with, and the 16 Pro would have looked even worse by comparison. The 16E would have been almost half the price of a base 16, with really only a few extra features to differentiate it from the more expensive iPhone.

In essence Apple would have been devaluing their own 'current' iPhone lineup.

Not sure Apple wanted to tackle that mountain.
True.
People say the main problems of 16e are overpriced a lot, MagSafe and super slow wireless charging speed.

-overpriced: yes it’s specs is $199 range Android phone, but cheap Android phone has no real serious Android updates, hardware would be broken and battery is dead after like a year average. iPhone can be really used for 7 years without problem.
Apple can charge any price they want, SE3 design and screen size are just so outdated so basically two different products.

-MagSafe: Suppose to use a case if you are on a budget to buy the cheapest iPhone. Phone owns MagSafe would not work at all or almost doesn’t exist with a case. So finally you need a MagSafe case anyway. Even S25 Ultra has no magnet on his back which is kind of funny.

-slow wireless charge speed. At least it has wireless charging, Apple gives out all basic stuff for its cheapest phone is a breakthrough already. No one would buy more expensive models if Apple fully gives everything in cheapest model.
bro, you are so desperately defending this phone it’s getting kinda sad.

Apple simply took away too many features from this phone. If you have an iPhone 12 you can’t even consider this phone an upgrade while the 16e is almost 5 years newer.

5 years in tech is an incredibly long time, so there’s no credible reason to not have at least something similar like the 12.

Apple is just milking the iPhone at this point and it is blatantly obvious.

and about the wireless charging, max 7.5 watt with that battery size… Apple could have just removed that ‘feature’ all together then. As it won’t maintain that 7.5 watt speed for long it will most of the time hover around the 5-6 watt, which is honestly just a joke.
 
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True.

bro, you are so desperately defending this phone it’s getting kinda sad.

Apple simply took away too many features from this phone. If you have an iPhone 12 you can’t even consider this phone an upgrade while the 16e is almost 5 years newer.

5 years in tech is an incredibly long time, so there’s no credible reason to not have at least something similar like the 12.

Apple is just milking the iPhone at this point and it is blatantly obvious.

and about the wireless charging, max 7.5 watt with that battery size… Apple could have just removed that ‘feature’ all together then. As it won’t maintain that 7.5 watt speed for long it will most of the time hover around the 5-6 watt, which is honestly just a joke.

There is just no real competition for “quality” range market, while Apple just gives up the budget phone market share.

Apple can just charge any price when there is no competition, it doesn’t matter we like it or not.
 
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There is just no real competition for “quality” range market, while Apple just gives up the budget phone market share.

Apple can just charge any price when there is no competition, it doesn’t matter we like it or not.
Lol, they are clearly losing marketshare when it comes to the generations that are now becoming adults.

Apple has little to offer compared to the competition in their eyes.

There’s plenty of competition, don’t act as if Apple still is the only company offering quality phones. The iPhone 4-6 era is far behind us.
 
There is just no real competition for “quality” range market, while Apple just gives up the budget phone market share.

Apple can just charge any price when there is no competition, it doesn’t matter we like it or not.


Redmi 14C, the cheapest phone in MI online shop in China now, only costs around $59 USD.

Yes, $59, not $599, 16e price is 1000% of this 14C phone

14C offers
Bigger battery than 16e, 5160 mah
Much bigger screen , 6.88
Double of 16e Stone Age refresh rate. 120
Touch ID kind of unlock
3 color to choose your instead of 2

16e cpu is so much faster, I would call it a tie

That is how much 16 is overpriced if only consider the hardware

iOS, no real extra new cost for Apple, almost just plug and play, not expect Apple needs to hire even one core developer for 16e

Apple logo, zero new cost too
 
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Speaking of body action:
This popped up on my Instagram today:


Probably the ad most blatantly focusing on (“greatest”) price I’ve seen from Apple …in a long time.
(Though somewhat ironically the lowest-end iPhone has become more expensive)

But yeah… wait how they’re going to drop their iPhones once they realise what some competitors charge for a similar phone. Or offer at a similar price point to Apple’s.
 
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Redmi 14C, the cheapest phone in MI online shop in China now, only costs around $59 USD.

Yes, $59, not $599, 16e price is 1000% of this 14C phone

14C offers
Bigger battery than 16e, 5160 mah
Much bigger screen , 6.88
Double of 16e Stone Age refresh rate. 120
Touch ID kind of unlock
3 color to choose your instead of 2

16e cpu is so much faster, I would call it a tie

That is how much 16 is overpriced if only consider the hardware

iOS, no real extra new cost for Apple, almost just plug and play, not expect Apple needs to hire even one core developer for 16e

Apple logo, zero new cost too

Sound like Apple just prints money with 16e, but that is what is really happening. Just like NVIDIA, this is monopoly.
 
Sound like Apple just prints money with 16e, but that is what is really happening. Just like NVIDIA, this is monopoly.

You want the most make you feel good phone logo
Or
A stable phone system, especially with one the most stable best tier phone camera

You don’t really have a choice

That is monopoly of two factors that a lot of people want, not just one
 
I like iPhones because they work well with other Apple devices, so I pay the Apple premium and will continue to do so but I do not delude myself:

Their profit margin on phones is double Samsung's. They are master's at marketing and giving catchy names to features the competition had years earlier. It took 15 years before you could arrange icons on your home screen. They overcharge for storage big time. They dribble out just enough new capabilities to encourage upgrades.

So what's my point - Every iPhone is overpriced.
 
Yah like 1%.
Sure.
Here's a simple fact for you to take on board.

For some of us, an iPhone is an accessory. It isn't our main computing platform and doesn't define our online world.

If you're an iPhone-based lifeform, then by all means go for the top end.

If you're not -- then join the very large club.
 
Every flagship phone on sale is overpriced... why is it just Apple getting the spotlight? Samsung, Google etc all are charging the same price as the top level iPhone and in some cases MORE.
But Apple effectively removed the other options, introducing a new member to the iPhone family who’s only function is to push even more people towards the regular 16.

That’s why people are calling out Apple, they removed a product that was perfect for our parents and children.

And I’m sure it will hurt Apple in the long run, as parent will buy their your kids an Android device rather than spending over $600.
 
But Apple effectively removed the other options, introducing a new member to the iPhone family who’s only function is to push even more people towards the regular 16.

That’s why people are calling out Apple, they removed a product that was perfect for our parents and children.

And I’m sure it will hurt Apple in the long run, as parent will buy their your kids an Android device rather than spending over $600.
They won't, because they themselves have iPhones and will just pay the extra to keep them on Find My and have parental control etc.

If the SE that was fine before is still working as before - it doesn't need changing does it?

As I've said before, Tim Cook's Apple rarely released a product that fails badly - the 16e certainly won't be one of them. The 17 models are likely all to receive a price increase, so the gap will revert back to what it was before.
 

Redmi 14C, the cheapest phone in MI online shop in China now, only costs around $59 USD.

Yes, $59, not $599, 16e price is 1000% of this 14C phone

14C offers
Bigger battery than 16e, 5160 mah
Much bigger screen , 6.88
Double of 16e Stone Age refresh rate. 120
Touch ID kind of unlock
3 color to choose your instead of 2

16e cpu is so much faster, I would call it a tie

That is how much 16 is overpriced if only consider the hardware

iOS, no real extra new cost for Apple, almost just plug and play, not expect Apple needs to hire even one core developer for 16e

Apple logo, zero new cost too

By the way 16e camera sensor size is same as XR back in 2018, and no sensor-shift optical image stabilization. I am shocked they sell you something like this. I definitely think $59 Redmi 14C has better hardware now, not a tie!
 
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As long as Apple's profit margins are strong and stockholders are happy, they're not failing. 🤷‍♂️

Tim Cook is a supply chain guy. The 16e rounds out their product line-up with a product that looks and feels similar to the rest of their product line, for cheaper than the rest of their product line (cheap enough is obviously debatable). The 16e is about providing a whole line of products over a given price range, moreso than the success or failure of any single product. We all get caught up in Apple's marketing of features and specs of their individual products (myself included), but at the end of the day if you step back and look at their phone lineup, it's a pretty well rounded and easy to understand lineup of devices, especially compared to other OEMs.
 
You would think you could barely make a phone call, let alone text or find your way to a restaurant. How will you survive?
It's still amusing to me that there were all these people who would never own an iPhone SE telling those of us who did that it was just wrong.

After having sub inch to 1.8 inch displays on phones, can we not adapt?
 
It's still amusing to me that there were all these people who would never own an iPhone SE telling those of us who did that it was just wrong.

After having sub inch to 1.8 inch displays on phones, can we not adapt?

The contrarian side of me wants to use the 16e for the next 5 years just out of spite... :p
 
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Redmi 14C, the cheapest phone in MI online shop in China now, only costs around $59 USD.

Yes, $59, not $599, 16e price is 1000% of this 14C phone

14C offers
Bigger battery than 16e, 5160 mah
Much bigger screen , 6.88
Double of 16e Stone Age refresh rate. 120
Touch ID kind of unlock
3 color to choose your instead of 2

16e cpu is so much faster, I would call it a tie

That is how much 16 is overpriced if only consider the hardware

iOS, no real extra new cost for Apple, almost just plug and play, not expect Apple needs to hire even one core developer for 16e

Apple logo, zero new cost too
You get what you pay for.
 
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Redmi 14C, the cheapest phone in MI online shop in China now, only costs around $59 USD.

Yes, $59, not $599, 16e price is 1000% of this 14C phone

14C offers
Bigger battery than 16e, 5160 mah
Much bigger screen , 6.88
Double of 16e Stone Age refresh rate. 120
Touch ID kind of unlock
3 color to choose your instead of 2

16e cpu is so much faster, I would call it a tie

That is how much 16 is overpriced if only consider the hardware

iOS, no real extra new cost for Apple, almost just plug and play, not expect Apple needs to hire even one core developer for 16e

Apple logo, zero new cost too
How are the firmware and other updates to the operating system? If there is a catastrophic problem, will they take your phone after sending you a replacement?
 
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