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[Merged] HP Slate - Upcoming Tablet, Possibly Running WebOS

Davidkoh said:
And you still haven't defined "fail".
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If he uses the same definition that the pre-launch iPad critics used when they were saying the iPad would fail, if it doesn't ultimately become the top selling tablet device, then it has failed.

Applied to either product, that view isn't very realistic.

Based on the specs and the OS, I'll be surprised if using the Slate will be as nice as using the iPad. An Android tablet makes far more sense than this does.
 
sracer said:
Check again. There are physical differences between the HP Slate and iPad.

Looking for a definition of "fail"? If you couldn't glean it from the context of the posts, then I'll make it simple and clear....

HP Slate fail = the inability of the Slate to do the things (that the iPad can't do) as well as the things that the iPad CAN do.

If you need more specifics... If the HP Slate can't display webpages in all of their flash-ridden glory, then that is a "fail". If the Slate can't display hulu videos smoothly, then that is a "fail". And that is before talking about cooling fans, boot times, battery life, etc.
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Thanks for defining what you mean by fail, because it could mean many things, "fail as in people not buying it", "fail as in not working", "fail as in a failure to advertise properly" and so on.

I really don't think HP will launch a product and not sort out a good functioning touch for surfing and video playback.

diabolic said:
If he uses the same definition that the pre-launch iPad critics used when they were saying the iPad would fail, if it doesn't ultimately become the top selling tablet device, then it has failed.

Applied to either product, that view isn't very realistic.

Based on the specs and the OS, I'll be surprised if using the Slate will be as nice as using the iPad. An Android tablet makes far more sense than this does.
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Yeah, but top selling device isn't really anything I care about, since that does not tell me anything about if the device is good for me.
 
master-ceo said:
lol. Fail? Are you Serious?

hahahahaha

A mobile device that can run Protools, Reason, Soundforge, VST's, Edit Audio/Video, Play any Aud/Vid format will never fail.
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you have obviously never tried to run reason on a 1GHz machine. I used reason on a computer at school that was like 1.9GHz and it was still pretty slow. Best of luck trying to get protools running on this especially with hardly any RAM
 
sracer said:
Rather than make personal judgments against individual opinions why not address some very specific reasons why we believe that the HP Slate will fail? Given that you have so much experience with tablets (with the implication that none of us have) it should be easy to address the issues of the challenges posed by a touch UI for an operating system that is not touch-optimized.
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I wasn't aware that this was a balanced discussion and not a fanboy circlejerk. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
It wont fail for one reason and one big reason...

Big Business, Enterprise, Military Government.... They will EAT this up if it is done right.... everything is windows based in that world.. and to have a highly portable windows based tablet would be like icing on the cake... why do you thing hp, dell, toshiba still make tablets or toughtbooks?!!?
 
dgree03 said:
It wont fail for one reason and one big reason...

Big Business, Enterprise, Military Government.... They will EAT this up if it is done right.... everything is windows based in that world.. and to have a highly portable windows based tablet would be like icing on the cake... why do you thing hp, dell, toshiba still make tablets or toughtbooks?!!?
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This is the reason it will fail. If the general public does not buy it then they have failed. You don't make a product just for it To sell to just one group. The reason people even talk about the slate is because the iPad not any other reason then that.
 
flyguy206 said:
This is the reason it will fail. If the general public does not buy it then they have failed. You don't make a product just for it To sell to just one group. The reason people even talk about the slate is because the iPad not any other reason then that.
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That's a strange definition of failure. Who cares about the general public? Most people aren't smart, so why would you care about them? ;)
 
flyguy206 said:
This is the reason it will fail. If the general public does not buy it then they have failed. You don't make a product just for it To sell to just one group. The reason people even talk about the slate is because the iPad not any other reason then that.
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LMAO, ok I should laugh but apparently you dont work for or have ever dealt with the government. The LARGEST contracts Dell, HP, Toshiba, IBM have are GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS. We are talking 3-6yr contracts totaling in the 100's of millions... within these contracts are the subcontracts of MOBILE COMPUTING... for MOBILE FIELD units...

This is currently being fulfilled by traditional tablets/toughbooks... this WILL be filled by a full fledged windows based touch tablet... again the government is the sole reason why the named companies continue to sell products to which YOU believe have failed.
 
I cannot believe the threads that exist here purely as an exercise in people defining the same words differently or getting hung up on literalism.

"Fail" can be taken to mean - will not set the market on fire, will not be a beloved item that more than a few people are passionate about, will not be a trendsetter.

I am sure they will sell a fair number of the devices. The question is whether more than a specific slice of geeks will drool over it, or whether there will be any copycat devices.

Based on the specs so far, my guess is that the answer to both questions is no. Two reasons: 1 - battery life, 2 - UI. The second reason is more of a guess, but it's a guess that's based on history of grafting touch UIs onto desktop OSs, which has never created a great experience so far.

Remember, I am guessing here. That's all anybody can do at this point. The product does not exist, I repeat, the product does not exist.
 
HP's iPad Competition

No it isn't the Slate.

Since HP bought Palm, I would expect to see a Web OS based tablet from them by Xmas time.

The Web OS is pretty slick, as I had a Palm Pre before, and will be able to give the iPhone OS a run for its money.
 
I'm pretty excited, except for the lack of apps.

I think I'll be waiting for their app store to go up in numbers.
 
If they haven't already been working on one, I doubt they'd be able to get one out by year's end. Add the fact that no one has ever heard any rumors of one, and I'd bet they haven't even thought the idea out yet.
 
nj-mac-user said:
If they haven't already been working on one, I doubt they'd be able to get one out by year's end.
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My sense is that Palm most likely has been since January. The Pre is a nice device, not an iPhone killer but pretty good. They haven't been able to get alot of traction in the Smart Phone market, but their OS would be great on a tablet.
 
lol. HP is Gorilla! I give them props. I think palm phones tether too.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/28/hp-buys-palm-the-liveblog/
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HP Slate rumored to be cancelled

http://gizmodo.com/5527824/hp-slate-is-dead-on-arrival-says-techcrunch


Welp, that's two major competitors down the drain in the same day. Seems like they realized that their devices (especially Slate being just windows 7 on a tablet) weren't going to do well in comparison to apple.


Guess we wait for another year to see any good new competition (unless they roll out the android tablet at the end of this year). Apple controlling the market for a whole year could be bad for competitors.
 
Did you hear that? it was the sound of Steve...the other Steve, Ballmer that is screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I was actually going to buy the slate for 550...oh well...

As far as palm OS, I think it's a HUGE mistake for HP to go palm os, I would go android or apple any day of the week.

As far as Windows, I like it, I like linux better though, if this word about the slate is true I see major problems for MS.
 
I dont get why they did this. They had a ton of promotion, and hype, leading up to the release. Apple did sell 1 million, but how many of those have been returned? A major issue with the ipad is that it isnt a standalone device that can sync its own content, download it's own content, and work as a true netbook and laptop replacement. Slate was possible for all of this. Looks like the era of large smartphone tablets is upon us, now it all comes down to functionality and compatibility.
 
WalledMacGarden said:
Did you hear that? it was the sound of Steve...the other Steve, Ballmer that is screaming NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

I was actually going to buy the slate for 550...oh well...

As far as palm OS, I think it's a HUGE mistake for HP to go palm os, I would go android or apple any day of the week.

As far as Windows, I like it, I like linux better though, if this word about the slate is true I see major problems for MS.
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I was gonna buy the slate too if it was working properly for surfing. Now it will be in the same league as the iPad and such, and I'd much rather get the iPad then.
 
In a previous life I had an HP (nee Compaq) TC1100 Tablet Computer. It ran something called "XP for Tablet" or some such.

I used it mostly as a traveling computer. It had a lightweight keyboard that folded over to cover the screen. The slate part of it was pretty lame -- I almost never used it. It was stylus based and you had to remember all sorts of funny shortcuts to do things.

Now, they've probably improved things a bit, but its still just bolt on stuff to Windows 7 and there is so little memory and processing power I can't see how it will be anything but sluggish.

For all the knocks on the iPad (some valid, some less so) at least it's OS was designed around how it is to be used. I don't know much about Palm WebOS but it's got to be better than Windows 7 -- at least as a foundation to build on.

Maybe that is what's happening with the HP Slate -- they're pulling it so they can redesign it around something based on WebOS.
 
Godzirra! said:
Apple did sell 1 million, but how many of those have been returned?
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Very few. Most of the returns that did occur were folks realizing they wanted the WiFi+3G so they returned the WiFi during the allowed window and ordered up a 3G version.
 
Godzirra! said:
I dont get why they did this. They had a ton of promotion, and hype, leading up to the release. Apple did sell 1 million, but how many of those have been returned? A major issue with the ipad is that it isnt a standalone device that can sync its own content, download it's own content, and work as a true netbook and laptop replacement. Slate was possible for all of this. Looks like the era of large smartphone tablets is upon us, now it all comes down to functionality and compatibility.
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Why? It simple, they bought Palm, or more specifically, WebOS. Makes much more sense to develop this into a tablet OS and not shoehorn Windows 7 and a janky UI on top of it.
 
Full of Win said:
Why? It simple, they bought Palm, or more specifically, WebOS. Makes much more sense to develop this into a tablet OS and not shoehorn Windows 7 and a janky UI on top of it.
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By the time the HP/Palm deal is actually completed, and they develop and then produce a Web OS-based tablet for public consumption, Apple will be so far ahead in mindshare and marketshare that it might all be academic.
 
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