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klaxamazoo

macrumors 6502
Sep 8, 2006
438
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Don't bother using logic, he's afflicted by confirmation bias. Any anecdotal evidence or psuedo-surveys he can find, he'll use.


You seriously believe that? It doesn't matter how good something is -- there will ALWAYS be people who don't like it.

Then show non-psuedo-surveys that proof my "psuedo-surveys" wrong. You have nothing. If my claims against Mission Control were so flimsy than you would have been able to show something. But you can't find anything, which is rather pathetic really.

Yes, there will always be people that don't like it. But 30% is a huge number of dissatisfied users. That is almost 1 in 3 in case you can't do the math. Apple might as well be Microsoft with that type of disapproval rating.
 

xxBURT0Nxx

macrumors 68020
Jul 9, 2009
2,189
2
A 30% disapproval rating is huge for a version of OSX and points to Tim Cooks lack of leadership and inability to push software to be better.
yes because Steve Jobs knew nothing of OSX Lion.. :rolleyes:

or the iPhone 4S or the new iPad for that matter.:eek:
 

KnightWRX

macrumors Pentium
Jan 28, 2009
15,046
4
Quebec, Canada
If it didn't suck there would not be so many threads about the subject

There's so many threads about the subject because yourself, Krazy Bill, wikus and ScottishCaptain all have a problem letting go. All of you converge and start these threads to begin with.

The vocal minority. 8 months of whining. And it goes on and on and on.
 

Sdreed91

macrumors 6502
Oct 10, 2011
263
0
No Ive just learned to avoid pointless ranting and therefore have no reason to argue like a preschool student by claiming "my dad could beat yours up."
 

klaxamazoo

macrumors 6502
Sep 8, 2006
438
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There's so many threads about the subject because yourself, Krazy Bill, wikus and ScottishCaptain all have a problem letting go. All of you converge and start these threads to begin with.

The vocal minority. 8 months of whining. And it goes on and on and on.

Yet 2/3rds of Macrumor Members prefer Expose/Spaces to Mission Control, so you are with the minority opinion. I also see you converging to these threads trying desperately to defend a poorly implemented Window Management Utility.

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No Ive just learned to avoid pointless ranting and therefore have no reason to argue like a preschool student by claiming "my dad could beat yours up."

Or you still have not even the slightest bit of data to back up your claim and are finally giving up. You don't even have a psuedo-survey to stand behind.
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
0
yes because Steve Jobs knew nothing of OSX Lion.. :rolleyes:

Rolling your eyes when you make such an inane comment makes you look even more foolish. Have you seen his last keynote? Or his last pictures? The man was giving the fight of his life for more than a a year and apparenttly could barely get a couple of hours of productive work some days, let alone the pain he was going through, and he was focusing on iphone as well and talking to his biographer, as well as taking care of the systemic and infrastructure legacy at apple, the spaceship building etc., and you expect him to be able to to go through ui details of lion and have the stamina to send the os x team back to the drawing board and tell them in his usual upfront way, this sucks, we don't want it, you should do it better?

The only solution for os x ml is if Cook had the guts to replace, or just fire Creg Federichi (sp?). The guy hasn't got common sense, let alone aeasthic sense. He has managed to mess up the most intuitive os on the globe, the most functional one with the simplest work flow and turning into an ios freak looking hybrid without all sorts of ui changes that the best thing one can say is that they are not that bad, or could be useful to some.

Monocrhomatic sidebar and os elements hard to tell apart, needless byte hogging versioning by default, one click save as of documents to the mess that is duplicate, removing in app expose on click and hold and instead showing recent documents, messing up the best feature of os x expose into the bastardised thing that is mission control, auto resume (again needlessly by default) when you just want to quit the app and everything within it, pointless ios launcher apps....

...jesus you 'd think if you d taken 100 ms devs and told them can you develop os x from snow leopard to lion and be as vindictive as you can to apple they probaly wouldn't have done a worse job...
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
0
Actually, I don't have to live with it and don't plan on either. If you had been able to read and understand the comments in this thread, you would have seen that there is an Expose/Spaces replacement in the works that is making good progress, i.e. ReSpaceApp.


Also, once my thesis is done I can sell my Macbook Air that only supports Lion as I will no longer need a backup computer. My main computer runs Snow Leopard just fine and there is nothing compelling about Lion nor Mountain Lion that warrants a forced upgrade. Calendars, Contacts, and Mail are better synced through gmail, and SugarSync is better than iCloud, iCal on 10.6 is better than iCal on 10.7, Address Book on 10.6 is better than Address Book on 10.7. Versions is more work that helpful for what I do.

Overall, there is nothing compelling nor particularly worthwhile about Lion and Mountain Lion seems to follow a similar trend. I won't use Notifications because I don't like distractions, iCal is still worthless and ugly, Address Book is now even uglier, Game Central is a pathetic joke and looks like crap (I mean, who thinks of black jack tables when they think of video games?). I don't need or use Notes, I've shown that iMessage is really just a setup for Spam, I'm not 12 so Twitter integration is useless, my memory is excellent so Reminders and Notes is also worthless. All Apple did was add some Apps, some API's for Notification Center and added a slight garden wall with GateKeeper.

The only thing to miss is swipe backward for Firefox and even then, the majority of my internet consumption is on my iPad, so no big loss.

The big loss is that without Steve Jobs, Apple software is starting to look like Microsoft software. With its use of inefficient skeuomorphic idioms that look like crap and provide less power but add additional complexity. Mission Control is a perfect example of not fully thinking a problem through and applying a half-hearten solution instead of really caring enough to be brilliant.

Cool, eloquent post, comes to show the level of some posters here that it got downgraded. I liked what you said about mission control being a half hearted solution, not well thought through, not pushing the envelope enough to really work, just trying to apply an idea that might work in principle, doing so poorly, and ending up with a worse mes. Very un-apple, at least what apple used to be.

I am afraid apple what with their yearly release cycles will quickly do everything to obsolete snow leopard, hidpi support is one way they will do it (icloud was the big pimp for lion) and we won't have a lot of options then... Unfortunately with the development leadership they now have on os x we are royally screwed in the long run.

//apologies for the double post, thought it would add it on top.

Block level snapshotting of documents is stupid now ? :rolleyes:

You must not be a profesional. All the Pros need block level snapshotting. It's built in to the big boy toys like NetApp's OpenFiler, Windows Server with Volume Shadow Copy, LVM2 in HP-UX/Linux, ZFS in Solaris/FreeBSD, etc..

But I understand why you would think that, Versions is very much a pro-feature. You need to be a pro to understand. ;)

The guy who "adapts" to whatever the os is...

You seem like a proper pro, for example a pro tennis player would get whatever **** racquet they give them and adapt, or a pro racing driver would get whatever **** car they throw at them and adapt or any pro for that matter would get any **** tool the company who makes his tool gives then and adapt. That's the definition of a pro right there.

I also like your analogy of the cutting edge filesystem that is zfs with some crap versioning tool that has you duplicate, wait for the file to appear twice next to the original then save, instead of save as... How sad for apple that their pandering to there "pro" users instead of doing what they 've been doing all along striving consistently to rethink and redesign their systems to make them as elegant, uncluttered and functional as possible (as well as internally robust, zfs was taken down from the snow leopard server add a long time ago by apple...) to attract the real pros. Because of course the real pros are thrilled with twitter integration, ios cosmetic rubbish and ui interface errors galore (all mandatory) that are messing up with their work flows...
 
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ScottishCaptain

macrumors 6502a
Oct 4, 2008
871
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There's so many threads about the subject because yourself, Krazy Bill, wikus and ScottishCaptain all have a problem letting go. All of you converge and start these threads to begin with.

The vocal minority. 8 months of whining. And it goes on and on and on.

Right.

Because there's only 4 users unsatisfied with Lion.

-SC
 

Sdreed91

macrumors 6502
Oct 10, 2011
263
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Yet 2/3rds of Macrumor Members prefer Expose/Spaces to Mission Control, so you are with the minority opinion. I also see you converging to these threads trying desperately to defend a poorly implemented Window Management Utility.

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Or you still have not even the slightest bit of data to back up your claim and are finally giving up. You don't even have a psuedo-survey to stand behind.

This will be my last post where as you will continually bash my opinion in hopes that Apple follows the complaints of people who obviously have nothing better to do than bash their products. You are right I am not going to put forth any data that isn't really valid and doesn't hold as much merit as you claim it does. Instead I have provided a link regarding the sales of the very terrible OS X Lion. It was never my intention to get into an arguement with someone on this forum. I really do enjoy these forums and there is not only plenty of help on them but also plenty of information to be had. But pointless arguing ruins the whole experience for us all.

http://gigaom.com/apple/1-million-copies-of-os-x-lion-already-sold/

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Maybe not, but it seems to always be the same 4 that come back and make sure to tell us all about their opinion, spouting it as if it were fact.

I totally agree with you. No one is allowed to make a valid opposing view without being attacked.
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
0
Maybe not, but it seems to always be the same 4 that come back and make sure to tell us all about their opinion, spouting it as if it were fact.

Maybe not only four users are dissatisfied with lion? :rolleyes:

A product pimped so heavily via iCloud, a major over the hood so to speak release priced so aggressively, an os given the majestic name of lion, and it has the worst adoption rates in recent os x releases, the most vocal dissatisfaction about the ui, the most buggy release history in recent memory, it been called os x vista, people for the first time in os x history are actually not only downgrading in older macs, but on brand new ones as well, to the extent that apple for the first time prerelease their next os to the press, that to arch ass kissers such as Grubber to preempt user dissatisfaction and negative commentary and set a positive tone for it (because they be a laughing stoke if they presented it in a keynote - oh look at our great feature we have reminders and notes, isn't this great?)...

Yeah, maybe not only four users are dissatisfied with lion...

Excuse me now while I go check if they ve issued a fix for mail.app memory leaking to 2gb and their new smb 1.0 actually connecting and searching smb shares... At least the ui improvents are great. Boy this mission control, I can do so many more things than I used with it....:rolleyes:
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
0
. But pointless arguing ruins the whole experience for us .
It's not pointless, apple have pulled some crazy ui **** with lion, some pointless bastardising with ios and marred a very good os x user experience, while at the same time not addressing important long standing request such as resolution independence, zfs for a file system, etc and issuing a buggy release. They haven't seem to have learned in mountain lion and their user base is getting annoyed more so than any other release of os x. Simple as that. Whoever says otherwise, I am sorry, I ll put it bluntly, and in all honesty with no intention of personally offending anyone, we all can have downright wrong opinions all the time, but in is case whoever says differently about lion doesn't know their ass from their elbow and have taken apples apologist role too seriously.

No one wants to bash your opinion, people are complaining agianst apples os x team, iit jut happens that your opinion is wrong, so don't insist too much on it. For all the reasons I mentioned above. Ost of apples user base agrees with that.

//damn it consecutive post again, sorry.
 

tkermit

macrumors 68040
Feb 20, 2004
3,586
2,921
whoever says differently about lion doesn't know their ass from their elbow [...] No one wants to bash your opinion [...] iit jut happens that your opinion is wrong

On that basis, it is indeed pointless to argue with people like you.
 

Sdreed91

macrumors 6502
Oct 10, 2011
263
0
On that basis, it is indeed pointless to argue with people like you.

This.
Some people can't handle an opinion that differs from there's so they go into nasty insults. But hey i don't know what I'm doing I don't know my a** from my elbow.

I dont even know how to have an objective argument now.
 

beosound3200

macrumors 6502a
Nov 23, 2010
684
0
i guess its time for some people here to leave mac os x (or stay at snow leopard) because this (lion, mountain lion) is the future you're facing.

first, if you like all the things given to you, if you accept everything around you as is, if you dont have any constructive criticism, you're an idiot.

people here have valid arguments against lion, against MC, they have their opinion, their stance, and that is their basic human right. if it werent for that, there would be no progress.

but you need to go deeper. you need to know when you cant change things. you need to know when something is considered 'Sísuphos job' and leave it be. best you can do, and only you can do is adapt best as you can (herbert spencer: those who adapt are the ones who survive; sociology, not biology).

apples direction is clear by now. they are merging ios and os x. in other words, they are making it more consumer friendly, easier, plainer, custom-tailored for masses, consumers. as you probably know already, from a consumer standpoint, MC is an upgrade (app-centric window management). windows will be doing the same. and that was steve jobs dream. pc in every household, and as easier, plainer, intuitive as it gets (versions, resume, ios-like apps, launchpad, icloud).

apple certainly sees lion as a step forward to the right direction, mountain lion even more so. and you all know what that direction is. the direction you apparently dont like, and thats your right. but you cant do anything about it, you cant change it. its the future (at least according to apple). its not just MC, everything is changing, and the chances are, you wont like it.

so youre given two choices. adapt or convert. sooner you do it, better for you. so whats it gonna be?

you need to become conformists. you need to grab whats available to you and make the use of it, because in the end, thats all that matters. the sooner you do it, the better for you.

so theres no need for you to post, to search for people who think the same, or to find comfort in invalid and irrelevant surveys. what you need to do is adapt, or leave. maybe check out windows with its metro interface.

steve jobs himself once said (D8) 'transition to the post-pc world will make people from the pc world (even himself) uneasy, uncomfortable, its gonna be different'. he knew in 2010 how you're gonna feel right now. but thats it, its happening.
 
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blow45

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Jan 18, 2011
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Let me ask both of you guys something. What are you trying to say here, that mission control is great, that it's pretty good? It might be to you, you might be conveincing yourself it is, or you might not be well versed in what good ui desing is, it might even have some side gain to you. The facts are that a large number of apple's user base dislike it, that independent developers are trying to come up with alternatives, and that lion on the whole has suffered from very poor adoption rates despite the HUGE icloud incentive, downgrades to sl, and even formats and install of sl on new macs. And that mission control is part of a series of ui complaints apple's user base has in terms of lion. Read my post above for more. So why do you keep hammering your precious opinions to the many of us who have spotted its glaring faults?

Now how long do you think people can humour you and discuss whatever rationalisation you might be presenting in good will? If we go out one sunny day and you tell us oh how lovely the moon looks, oh how bright the stars shine, ok, maybe I ll humour you for a while, but at some point, I ll go, I had just about enough of this rubbish. We reached to the point of silliness of hearing that "pros" adjust to whatever ui they have to, and whatever nonsense the ui offers, as a counter argument on why mission control, and lion sucks. Is that the level of discussion we are having. Apple then might as well stick a turd on the dock, and we are going to hear that as pros we should adjust to the ui. Great argument...

If all that is not ringing any bells for you and you want to keep on discussing go ahead, we reached the point of beosound's rant claiming that giving feedback, venting, and requiring a computer company to modify their ui because they 've messed it up, is a sisiphous job...

@beosound I am not even going into your rant, I don't know your age, but I hope you are under 25 cause if you are over that age... Let me give you a hint on the myth of sisiphous for your education
Camus introduces his philosophy of the absurd: man's futile search for meaning, unity, and clarity in the face of an unintelligible world devoid of God and eternal truths or values. Does the realization of the absurd require suicide? Camus answers: "No. It requires revolt." He then outlines several approaches to the absurd life. The final chapter compares the absurdity of man's life with the situation of Sisyphus, a figure of Greek mythology who was condemned to repeat forever the same meaningless task of pushing a boulder up a mountain, only to see it roll down again. The essay concludes, "The struggle itself...is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy."
See beosound, Camus is talking about revolt, the myth of sisyphus is that he could not quit.
And Steve's mention of the post pc world didn't mean crap ui in mission control and versions, very obviously... he meant a completely different thing. Crap os x ui not post or pre pc, it's just crap ui design and federichi would have been sacked had Steve had his wits and physical strength about him the last year. But during hte last year Steve had other priorities, his bio, apple's legacy and infrastructure, iphone, and well, just trying to hold on to life.
 
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Sdreed91

macrumors 6502
Oct 10, 2011
263
0
i guess its time for some people here to leave mac os x (or stay at snow leopard) because this (lion, mountain lion) is the future you're facing.

first, if you like all the things given to you, if you accept everything around you as is, if you dont have any constructive criticism, you're an idiot.

people here have valid arguments against lion, against MC, they have their opinion, their stance, and that is their basic human right. if it werent for that, there would be no progress.

but you need to go deeper. you need to know when you cant change things. you need to know when something is considered 'Sísuphos job' and leave it be. best you can do, and only you can do is adapt best as you can (herbert spencer: those who adapt are the ones who survive; sociology, not biology).

apples direction is clear by now. they are merging ios and os x. in other words, they are making it more consumer friendly, easier, plainer, custom-tailored for masses, consumers. as you probably know already, from a consumer standpoint, MC is an upgrade (app-centric window management). windows will be doing the same. and that was steve jobs dream. pc in every household, and as easier, plainer, intuitive as it gets (versions, resume, ios-like apps, launchpad, icloud).

apple certainly sees lion as a step forward to the right direction, mountain lion even more so. and you all know what that direction is. the direction you apparently dont like, and thats your right. but you cant do anything about it, you cant change it. its the future (at least according to apple). its not just MC, everything is changing, and the chances are, you wont like it.

so youre given two choices. adapt or convert. sooner you do it, better for you. so whats it gonna be?

you need to become conformists. you need to grab whats available to you and make the use of it, because in the end, thats all that matters. the sooner you do it, the better for you.

so theres no need for you to post, to search for people who think the same, or to find comfort in invalid and irrelevant surveys. what you need to do is adapt, or leave. maybe check out windows with its metro interface.

steve jobs himself once said (D8) 'transition to the post-pc world will make people from the pc world (even himself) uneasy, uncomfortable, its gonna be different'. he knew in 2010 how you're gonna feel right now. but thats it, its happening.

This pretty much sums up what I was trying to say and have said in other posts. Thank you for putting in a way that is much clearer and easier to understand.
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
0
This pretty much sums up what I was trying to say and have said in other posts. Thank you for putting in a way that is much clearer and easier to understand.

Yeah what a clear rant it was... kinda summed up things from my side too, about the bs I 've been reading here from you guys...:cool:
 

NZPilgrim

macrumors newbie
Nov 3, 2011
21
1
New Zealand
first, if you like all the things given to you, if you accept everything around you as is, if you dont have any constructive criticism, you're an idiot.

people here have valid arguments against lion, against MC, they have their opinion, their stance, and that is their basic human right. if it werent for that, there would be no progress.

Yes, people have arguments against Lion. Yes, a lot of those arguments are rational, valid and worthwhile. Most people here probably wouldn't dispute that. Unfortunately the rational arguments are being drowned out by a vocal minority who prefer attacking those who don't support their point of view.

I'm one of the people for whom mission control works, but apparently I'm just too stupid to understand how much better off I would be with spaces/expose. Whatever, each to their own.

I'll reiterate a point I made in a previous thread though. Apple aren't the only ones who can create software for OSX. If you really care that much about it, learn how to program or find someone in the open source community who is willing to help. Create your own expose replacement (or wait and see if ReSpaceApp works for you). If you're not willing to do that then you obviously don't care that much about the issue.
 

beosound3200

macrumors 6502a
Nov 23, 2010
684
0
Let me ask both of you guys something. What are you trying to say here, that mission control is great, that it's pretty good? It might be to you, you might be conveincing yourself it is, or you might not be well versed in what good ui desing is, it might even have some side gain to you. The facts are that a large number of apple's user base dislike it, that independent developers are trying to come up with alternatives, and that lion on the whole has suffered from very poor adoption rates despite the HUGE icloud incentive, downgrades to sl, and even formats and install of sl on new macs. And that mission control is part of a series of ui complaints apple's user base has in terms of lion. Read my post above for more. So why do you keep hammering your precious opinions to the many of us who have spotted its glaring faults?

Now how long do you think people can humour you and discuss whatever rationalisation you might be presenting in good will? If we go out one sunny day and you tell us oh how lovely the moon looks, oh how bright the stars shine, ok, maybe I ll humour you for a while, but at some point, I ll go, I had just about enough of this rubbish. We reached to the point of silliness of hearing that "pros" adjust to whatever ui they have to, and whatever nonsense the ui offers, as a counter argument on why mission control, and lion sucks. Is that the level of discussion we are having. Apple then might as well stick a turd on the dock, and we are going to hear that as pros we should adjust to the ui. Great argument...

If all that is not ringing any bells for you and you want to keep on discussing go ahead, we reached the point of beosound's rant claiming that giving feedback, venting, and requiring a computer company to modify their ui because they 've messed it up, is a sisiphous job...

@beosound I am not even going into your rant, I don't know your age, but I hope you are under 25 cause if you are over that age... Let me give you a hint on the myth of sisiphous for your education

See beosound, Camus is talking about revolt, the myth of sisyphus is that he could not quit.
And Steve's mention of the post pc world didn't mean crap ui in mission control and versions, very obviously... he meant a completely different thing. Crap os x ui not post or pre pc, it's just crap ui design and federichi would have been sacked had Steve had his wits and physical strength about him the last year. But during hte last year Steve had other priorities, his bio, apple's legacy and infrastructure, iphone, and well, just trying to hold on to life.

oo yeah, you're so smart, you've just open up my eyes.

it doesnt matter if i know anything about sisyphus, you should have, as a rational being, understood what i have been trying to say, but either you failed, which i doubt, either you're trying to hold onto every straw in this so called argument.

this is not an argument, we arent discussing anything. im just trying to explain that you're fighting an already won battle, its a futile (im sorry, sisyphus, didnt know you couldnt quit, that changes everything :rolleyes: ) job.

again, this is not the argument, nobody is wrong or right, only argument you could have is with apple. its just a matter of facing the reality, which you obviously cant, and find it more constructive to rant here in forum :rolleyes:

the transition will leave a lot of people behind, but thats the price apple is willing to pay, because they think it could bring in more costumers.

and yeah, steve jobs thought EXACTLY that. in 2010 lion was already deep in development.

those things aro so easy to understand. i really hope you're over 50, because than it would be clear why you cant understand.

crap ui? most think its awesome. what now? 2/3 of people (according to irrelevant surveys) think that way. what you're gonna do? try writing 1000 posts of you ranting, they'll change it back to 2009 spaces + expose for sure.

so, read the following statement 100 of times, let it be your mantra:

lion works for MOST people. apple wont go back, and the following changes are going to be worse. for you. leave.

cant believe these forums sometimes. you wanna say something in good will, people immediately throw you into the argument (which doesnt exist) and call your post a rant :rolleyes:

this is not an opinion, i never said anything about liking or disliking lion, its not important for this.

i dont think anyone will write here again, i certainly wont
 
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xxBURT0Nxx

macrumors 68020
Jul 9, 2009
2,189
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Rolling your eyes when you make such an inane comment makes you look even more foolish. Have you seen his last keynote? Or his last pictures? The man was giving the fight of his life for more than a a year and apparenttly could barely get a couple of hours of productive work some days, let alone the pain he was going through, and he was focusing on iphone as well and talking to his biographer, as well as taking care of the systemic and infrastructure legacy at apple, the spaceship building etc., and you expect him to be able to to go through ui details of lion and have the stamina to send the os x team back to the drawing board and tell them in his usual upfront way, this sucks, we don't want it, you should do it better?

The only solution for os x ml is if Cook had the guts to replace, or just fire Creg Federichi (sp?). The guy hasn't got common sense, let alone aeasthic sense. He has managed to mess up the most intuitive os on the globe, the most functional one with the simplest work flow and turning into an ios freak looking hybrid without all sorts of ui changes that the best thing one can say is that they are not that bad, or could be useful to some.

Monocrhomatic sidebar and os elements hard to tell apart, needless byte hogging versioning by default, one click save as of documents to the mess that is duplicate, removing in app expose on click and hold and instead showing recent documents, messing up the best feature of os x expose into the bastardised thing that is mission control, auto resume (again needlessly by default) when you just want to quit the app and everything within it, pointless ios launcher apps....

...jesus you 'd think if you d taken 100 ms devs and told them can you develop os x from snow leopard to lion and be as vindictive as you can to apple they probaly wouldn't have done a worse job...

you are the one who looks foolish.... you think apple made Lion in a few weeks and Steve didn't have a chance to see it or something??

If you think Steve didn't know exactly what was going on with Lion, Mountain Lion, and probably a lot of what the next version of OSX is going to include, you're mistaken.
 

blow45

macrumors 68000
Jan 18, 2011
1,576
0
Well opinions are like *******s everyone has one and some stink. :cool:

the problem is you guys think your opinions are more valid than the low adoption rate of lion, the unprecedented numbers of people downgrading from it, or installing sl clean on new lion macs, the unprecedented number of negative journalistic reports, or complain threads here and elsewhere from apple's user base. Yet it seems some of you have taken it upon you to convince us that we should like it. Without bothering to ask yourself, wait a second, if so many people do not like lion, if so many people are downgrading from it, is there a chance perhaps that they might be right and have valid reasons to complain and my opinion and arguing against their requests and requirements amount to s*** at the end of the day.

Apple should provide customization options for mission control as well as for a series of modifications and additions to lion that people simply do not want to use and consider hindering their workflows.
 
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blow45

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you are the one who looks foolish.... you think apple made Lion in a few weeks and Steve didn't have a chance to see it or something??

If you think Steve didn't know exactly what was going on with Lion, Mountain Lion, and probably a lot of what the next version of OSX is going to include, you're mistaken.

Steve's last couple of years were focused on fighting for his life, a long hard fight, getting liver transplants, recovering from operations, etc. etc. Of course he was aware of several planned changes in lion, but his focus was on much more things, the ipad and its launch, the iphone, ios, icloud, itunes, books for itunes, music and tv deals, his tv conception, forward looking patents and ideas, the product pipeline, the campus, his legacy, apple's legacy, etc. He didn't have the executive control of os x. Someone run by him mission control as a general idea and then they executed it poorly. Someone run versions by him and then they executed it poorly. Don't kid yourself that a person in the last couple of years of his life, under so much biological stress and with several priorites ahead of os x could have bothered to focus on the details of os x or exercise executive control and be his usual demanding and excelling managing self over a team that anyway would soon have to do without him. Mission control is apple without Steve and it's evidenced by how crap it is.

And mountain lion is apple a few months down the line without Steve. Who would have thought a few years ago when we were waiting for zfs say that a few years down the line the world's most advanced os would be promoted based on a reminders and notes app, twitter, and growl notifications...
 
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