Mission Control - Still A Failure

[lordthistle]

I think Mission Control is perfect for people working with one window per app + some full screen apps. In these settings it is the perfect window manager, much better than Exposé+Spaces.

Or may be it is the ultimate window manager of the third millennium and I am just too old to appreciate its novelty. In my case I stopped using virtual desktops in Lion and my desktop was always a mess.

 

[blow45]

Exactly, I can't believe they removed that... now it does NOTHING. What was the point?? It just seems like so much of this was just change for changes sake...

And to add insult to injury it's a privacy nightmare to show all your recent files by default upon both hold and cmd click on the dock.

 

[thenewperson]

And to add insult to injury it's a privacy nightmare to show all your recent files by default upon both hold and cmd click on the dock.

And it's a privacy nightmare to show recents by default in the menu bar isn't it?

Anyway, on ⌘-click on an app in the dock it shows the app's enclosing folder.

 

[Frozzie]

Even what we have now is much better than what is in Windows. I used Mac all the time and whenever I use Windows I feel my productivity has decreased by 70%...

 

[Mackilroy]

Don't really think anyone is a winner here.

I think this comic certainly applies here.

 

[lordthistle]

I think this comic certainly applies here.

Excellent

 

[tory237]

Exactly, I can't believe they removed that... now it does NOTHING. What was the point?? It just seems like so much of this was just change for changes sake...

It's now a two-finger double tap on the icon. I miss the cool glow effect on the icon also

 

[jameslmoser]

It's now a two-finger double tap on the icon. I miss the cool glow effect on the icon also

if you have a track pad... I do but I don't like it, its not as precise as my mouse.

I don't like wireless mice (or keyboards) either because they are not as accurate and I hate having to switch out batteries all the time, and they only make a wireless trackpad.

 

[Jagardn]

if you have a track pad... I do but I don't like it, its not as precise as my mouse.

I don't like wireless mice (or keyboards) either because they are not as accurate and I hate having to switch out batteries all the time, and they only make a wireless trackpad.

I know, I have to change out my wireless mouse batteries ever 12 months, it's exhausting.

 

[roadbloc]

I don't like wireless mice (or keyboards) either because they are not as accurate and I hate having to switch out batteries all the time, and they only make a wireless trackpad.

I fail to see how wireless mice are any more inaccurate than wired mice's.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

I fail to see how wireless mice are any more inaccurate than wired mice's.

normal computing they are not...

for hardcore gaming some users can tell a difference because of the latency.

 

[jameslmoser]

I know, I have to change out my wireless mouse batteries ever 12 months, it's exhausting.

its more than just changing them out... and if you get 12 months use out of batteries, I'm surprised. The wireless mice and keyboards always seem to have issues remaining connected, and it gets worse when the batteries get low. Or the computer starts complaining about low batteries at 20%. If you get 12 months, than thats a couple of months worth of warning.

Not to mention, they simply are NOT as accurate. I can take my wired mouse, move it around to a different monitor, and it stops when I stop it. With their wireless mice, if I go from one monitor to another one quickly, the pointer almost always keeps moving a little bit after I stop it.

If I have to hold down the option key to select another boot volume, or boot into single user mode, half the time it doesn't work with wireless keyboards. I have had almost every single one apple has ever made and some third party ones.

With a wired mouse and keyboard, I never have to worry if the mac is going to "see" the mouse or keyboard. It just works.

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I fail to see how wireless mice are any more inaccurate than wired mice's.

they are not less accurate as far as pin pointing a specific location, but they aren't as accurate moving them there.

 

[gumblecosby]

One complaint I had with mission control is the speed it takes to activate. Much slower than the older exposé's. This command helps for me:

defaults write com.apple.dock expose-animation-duration -float 0.22; killall Dock


The 0.22 is the speed I find to be the best but you should experiment with 0.20 to 0.26. I think the default is 0.26 but you can revert to the default speed with this command if you didn't know already:

defaults delete com.apple.dock expose-animation-duration; killall Dock


I think this originated from here:
http://osxdaily.com/2012/02/14/speed-up-misson-control-animations-mac-os-x/

 

[matrix07]

Even what we have now is much better than what is in Windows. I used Mac all the time and whenever I use Windows I feel my productivity has decreased by 70%...

Yesterday I was back at my Windows machine and I keep exposé-ing it with multi-fingers swipe up.

 

[3282868]

This thread just gave me a mission control migraine

 

[*LTD*]

There's little point in complaining ad nauseum about this.

1) It's a key feature, one that Apple is proud of and views as quite successful in its current implementation. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

2) There aren't *enough* consumers complaining about it to justify changing it. Apple has actually sold more Macs than ever with *this* implementation of Mission Control. If you can't live with it the way it is, then switch to Windows or something else. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Unless it's about increasing your post count.

 

[klaxamazoo]

There's little point in complaining ad nauseum about this.

1) It's a key feature, one that Apple is proud of and views as quite successful in its current implementation. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

2) There aren't *enough* consumers complaining about it to justify changing it. Apple has actually sold more Macs than ever with *this* implementation of Mission Control. If you can't live with it the way it is, then switch to Windows or something else. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Unless it's about increasing your post count.

It is a crappy design that has earned its negative criticism.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1346288/
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1206106/


The complaints aren't going anywhere so it isn't worth complaining about the complaints ad nausem. If you don't like reading about complaints I suggest spending your time in the 10,000+ other posts on this site that aren't clearly titled "Mission Control - Still a Failure."

 

[jameslmoser]

There's little point in complaining ad nauseum about this.

1) It's a key feature, one that Apple is proud of and views as quite successful in its current implementation. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

2) There aren't *enough* consumers complaining about it to justify changing it. Apple has actually sold more Macs than ever with *this* implementation of Mission Control. If you can't live with it the way it is, then switch to Windows or something else. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Unless it's about increasing your post count.

Hmm. And yet for some reason Lion is still about half of snow leopards market share, and you can't buy a Mac with snow leopard anymore.

Mission Control along with a number of other forced changes in Lion are failures. Key features or not... Apple had better do something about that.

 

[hafr]

Hmm. And yet for some reason Lion is still about half of snow leopards market share, and you can't buy a Mac with snow leopard anymore.

Mission Control along with a number of other forced changes in Lion are failures. Key features or not... Apple had better do something about that.

I think Mission Control is great, I use it all the time. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't use it. In what way is Mission Control a forced change?

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

Hmm. And yet for some reason Lion is still about half of snow leopards market share, and you can't buy a Mac with snow leopard anymore.

Well, I would certainly hope that Snow Leopard has a larger market share. It has been out for 32 months, while Lion has only been out for 9 months.

Snow Leopard accounts for 44% of all macs in use. Lion accounts for about 39% of all macs in use. So Lion has grabbed nearly the same market share as Snow Leopard even though it has had 23 months less time.

Yeah you're right, those sales numbers are abysmal, apple better do something quick.

source

 

[jameslmoser]

Well, I would certainly hope that Snow Leopard has a larger market share. It has been out for 32 months, while Lion has only been out for 9 months.

Snow Leopard accounts for 44% of all macs in use. Lion accounts for about 39% of all macs in use. So Lion has grabbed nearly the same market share as Snow Leopard even though it has had 23 months less time.

Yeah you're right, those sales numbers are abysmal, apple better do something quick.

source

Not all sites are reporting those numbers for Lion.

http://insights.chitika.com/2012/up...eview-takes-06-share-of-all-mac-os-x-traffic/

Apple has previously enjoyed mass adoption of their new OS to a majority of their macs for a number of reasons. That wasn't the case with Lion. When Snow Leopard was released, Twitter reported the magority of their mac users upgraded in 9 days!

http://www.macworld.com/article/1142933/snow_leopard_adoption.html

The mac has also been loosing market share. And its not because IOS is taking it all, Windows market share is growing (and has been for months).

http://insights.chitika.com/2012/operating-system-market-share-march-2012-update/

Lion hasn't been a success for Apple...

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I think Mission Control is great, I use it all the time. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't use it. In what way is Mission Control a forced change?

I didn't say Mission Control was a forced change, I said "Mission control along with ..."

Though if you wanted to continue using virtual desktops or expose like window management, your now forced to use mission control. In fact, you can't shut it off. You never had to use spaces or expose before if you didn't want to.

 

[xxBURT0Nxx]

I wouldn't say that mac adoption rate slowing in the month of March relates to Lion.

Macs have been increasing in market share every month since Lion's release, and then slows down for only one month. It is much more likely that people are waiting to buy new macs after they are updated with Ivy Bridge.

You will see mac usage rate shoot up again when new machines are released in the coming weeks.

 

[Jagardn]

Hmm. And yet for some reason Lion is still about half of snow leopards market share, and you can't buy a Mac with snow leopard anymore.

Mission Control along with a number of other forced changes in Lion are failures. Key features or not... Apple had better do something about that.

Not everyone goes running to use a new OS when it's released. I know plenty of people who have Macs who haven't upgraded, Not because they hate anything about Lion, they are just content with what they have. Hell, I know plenty of people still using Vista, even with it being a train wreck.

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The mac has also been loosing market share. And its not because IOS is taking it all, Windows market share is growing (and has been for months).

More and more people shop at Wal-Mart every day, and they are gaining market share. Does that mean Wal-Mart is the best place to shop?

Does Outback have better steaks than Ruth's Chris? Nope, its just cheaper and more readily available.

 

[jameslmoser]

Not everyone goes running to use a new OS when it's released. I know plenty of people who have Macs who haven't upgraded, Not because they hate anything about Lion, they are just content with what they have. Hell, I know plenty of people still using Vista, even with it being a train wreck.

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More and more people shop at Wal-Mart every day, and they are gaining market share. Does that mean Wal-Mart is the best place to shop?

Does Outback have better steaks than Ruth's Chris? Nope, its just cheaper and more readily available.

These are completely useless comparisons.

Lion's adoption rate is horrible compared to Apple's previous OS releases.
During Snow Leopard (and Leopard, Tiger, ....) Mac market share was increasing, not decreasing.

These are not just coincidences that don't mean anything. And you can't go comparing Walmart market share to Apple's market share. Your not even comparing the same markets.

Believe me, Apple seen this same thing. Thats why they rushed to get Mountain Lion out into the public, without any sort of special event or keynote. They are trying to put Lion into the past. If they could completely change most of these often discussed features of Lion they would, but if they changed things too much they would basically be saying "Yeah, Lion sucked, our bad."

 

[wikus]

...but if they changed things too much they would basically be saying "Yeah, Lion sucked, our bad."

Apple's already done that though; go back to the Mac OS 10.5 release and you might remember when Apple completely SCREWED some people by removing the ability to show folders in the dock with LIST VIEW;

http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/Leopard_Changing_Dock_Stacks_to_Folders/

A couple revisions later, and 10.5.2 had the option come back. Nobody cared about Apple's screw up at that point, it gave them more credibility for actually LISTENING to its users. They don't need to change much, just improve on it and fixing the bugs.

However, they badly need to add some options to do as they did before. Mission Control is a complete failure, Lion is laggy even with the new MacBook Pros, versions is redundant (and stupid) as is auto-save, The Finder icons should be in colour for easy recognition, etc. Most of those things can easily be fixed with some simple OPTIONS.

I cant understand though, why OPTIONS are seen as an EVIL AND BAD thing on MacRumors?? Why are so many people against having a couple checkmarks to satisfy a lot of Mac OS users?

And why the hell SHOULDNT System Preferences get those features?? Thats what System Preferences is for!!!