Mission Control - Still A Failure

[xxBURT0Nxx]

Lion's adoption rate is horrible compared to Apple's previous OS releases.

10% of mac users upgraded to Lion within 2 weeks. They sold 6 million copies in the first few months of release, 80% more than any previous version of OS X during the same period. So how exactly is that horrible adoption rate?

Believe me, Apple seen this same thing. Thats why they rushed to get Mountain Lion out into the public, without any sort of special event or keynote. They are trying to put Lion into the past.

The largest complaint about Lion is Mission Control... which is UNCHANGED in Mountain Lion. So if Apple is rushing to "fix" Lion, why didn't they "fix" the biggest complaint. Mountain Lion is Lion + some iOS apps to sync through iCloud.

 

[jameslmoser]

10% of mac users upgraded to Lion within 2 weeks. They sold 6 million copies in the first few months of release, 80% more than any previous version of OS X during the same period. So how exactly is that horrible adoption rate?

The largest complaint about Lion is Mission Control... which is UNCHANGED in Mountain Lion. So if Apple is rushing to "fix" Lion, why didn't they "fix" the biggest complaint. Mountain Lion is Lion + some iOS apps to sync through iCloud.

Millions bought lion, and many reverted shortly after. I'm one of them and know others.
So you acknowledge that Mission Control has many people complaining? =)

If they don't change anything at all about Mission Control that would be pure stubbornness on their part. Its extremely buggy and has so many problems. The main reason they made Mission Control was because of the new Fullscreen apps, which also has its share of problems. These implementations are in pretty bad shape... they could appease people with a few options, or they could be rethinking/rewriting them all together. I guess only time will tell.

With them now offering Snow Leopard for free so people will buy Lion, I think they are trying (hoping) to find other reasons people might not be upgrading...

 

[jameslmoser]

Also, why did they remove Mission Control from the Dock by default in Mountain Lion? Are they trying to hide/move pass this disaster and make it less noticed/used? Or are they actually working on something to address the issues it created? I really hope its the later and we get the Spaces and Expose functionality back we lost with Mission Control.

 

[lordthistle]

Apple is targeting a group of people which is different from the past. Now they target people buying music, surfing the internet and purchasing small apps in their App store. And they are winning. I think many Apple users did not even use Exposé and Spaces and do not use Mission Control.

Now, the fact they are selling Lion does not necessarily mean all the features in Lion are 'goog ideas'. Is 'Duplicate+Save' better than 'Save As'? I am not speaking about the versioning they introduced, but the removal of a 'Save As' that they could have implemented internally as 'dup+save'.

Another example. The filesystem used in OS X is just ridiculous. The fact that OS X Leopard, SL, and Lion have been purchased by a lot of people does not make that filesystem less ridiculous.

The fact that the filesystem is still there after all these years clearly indicates that Apple is not targeting advanced computing environments, where the difference in functionality between Exposé and Mission Control is more easily noticed.

 

[ixodes]

I find it amusing when people describe MC as failure, problem, or with other strong words. It's different, and one can not like it, but that doesn't make it a problem/failure.

Very well said! I agree completely.

There's a lot about Lion I dislike, after years with every OS since System 7, yet I certainly would not call Lion a failure. While far from what I would enjoy, I do understand (even though I disagree) why Apple is taking the direction it is with OS X. I have great concerns with Lion that I have decided to put aside, while I wait and see just where Apple goes with the next rev: 10.8.x

I understand Apple's priority no longer seems to be it's loyal home and professional computer users. That fact is backed up by the undeniable success its having with iToyz. These lightweight iOS powered entertainment oriented products appeal to the inner child in people of all ages.

One look at the apps offered, stocked to the hilt with simple games, and all manner of minutiae in addition to some useful more functional apps is a perfect reflection of Apples new mind set.

There's simply no denying that in order to satisfy Apple's addiction to being the center of attention, grabbing headlines, and generating mind boggling profits, they have hit upon a very successful strategy.

 

[secretanchitman]

not anymore! as of the updated DP3 that was released earlier tonight, it has been "fixed" for the most part! you can now FINALLY ungroup windows by application. that is all i wanted in mountain lion, so now i will finally upgrade whenever it gets released.

i wonder if the minimized applications will show up too in ungrouped mission control, and not just in app expose only.

credit goes to neogaf for posting the pictures!

 

[Blue Sun]

not anymore! as of the updated DP3 that was released earlier tonight, it has been "fixed" for the most part! you can now FINALLY ungroup windows by application. that is all i wanted in mountain lion, so now i will finally upgrade whenever it gets released.

i wonder if the minimized applications will show up too in ungrouped mission control, and not just in app expose only.

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credit goes to neogaf for posting the pictures!

I'm stoked with this update.

Thank you, Apple.

Any chance of incorporating this into the next Lion update?
(wishful thinking, I know)

 

[thenewperson]

I'm stoked with this update.

Thank you, Apple.

Any chance of incorporating this into the next Lion update?
(wishful thinking, I know)

I'm thinking Mountain Lion will be a free update anyway.

 

[blow45]

I'm thinking Mountain Lion will be a free update anyway.

yeah but it wont work on non 64 bit mobos macs, so not 2007 past

 

[laudern]

i wonder if the minimized applications will show up too in ungrouped mission control, and not just in app expose only.

Can someone please answer this?????

 

[shimatta]

Can someone please answer this?????

Nope, they don't show up.

 

[chevalier433]

[QUOTE The filesystem used in OS X is just ridiculous
[/QUOTE]What.?Wrong.If the UNIX is ridiculous what windows users have to say and do Suicide???The Unix Filesystem is a major factor that OS X is centuries ahead in stability and rebility from windows.

 

[thenewperson]

yeah but it wont work on non 64 bit mobos macs, so not 2007 past

Ah, yes. Oh well.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

yeah but it wont work on non 64 bit mobos macs, so not 2007 past

true but.... this and this suggest otherwise...

 

[Eithanius]

i wonder if the minimized applications will show up too in ungrouped mission control, and not just in app expose only.

Nope, they don't show up.

Time to feedback Apple on implementing "Show minimised windows on Expose" back on Mountain Lion...?

 

[blow45]

[QUOTE The filesystem used in OS X is just ridiculous

What.?Wrong.If the UNIX is ridiculous what windows users have to say and do Suicide???The Unix Filesystem is a major factor that OS X is centuries ahead in stability and rebility from windows.[/QUOTE]

get a spell check, learn to quote without messing it up, and educate yourself on fs basics...yeah in a few centuries windows might catch up to the unparalleled hfs+, hell unix distros might even go with it...

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true but.... this and this suggest otherwise...

yeah, looking good, many kudos to the guys who 've put this together, I hope app store release doesn't mess it up on updates though.

 

[pdjudd]

true but.... this and this suggest otherwise...

I wouldn't count on hacks working for too long - especially given the distribution method and update method. If the installer doesn't work, I wouldn't try it.

 

[chevalier433]

[/QUOTE]get a spell check, learn to quote without messing it up, and educate yourself on fs basics...yeah in a few centuries windows might catch up to the unparalleled hfs+, hell unix distros might even go with it...[/QUOTE]
I am not an english neither an american so i don't give a f@ck getting a spell check.Educate myself about what? First time in my life i heard from you that Unix filesystem is non reliable.

 

[blow45]

get a spell check, learn to quote without messing it up, and educate yourself on fs basics...yeah in a few centuries windows might catch up to the unparalleled hfs+, hell unix distros might even go with it...[/QUOTE]
I am not an english neither an american so i don't give a f@ck getting a spell check.Educate myself about what? First time in my life i heard from you that Unix filesystem is non reliable.[/QUOTE]

ok, whatever buddy, take it easy.

 

[baryon]

not anymore! as of the updated DP3 that was released earlier tonight, it has been "fixed" for the most part! you can now FINALLY ungroup windows by application. that is all i wanted in mountain lion, so now i will finally upgrade whenever it gets released.

i wonder if the minimized applications will show up too in ungrouped mission control, and not just in app expose only.

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credit goes to neogaf for posting the pictures!

Well THAT is a huge surprise!!! Amazing, I'm very happy about it.

 

[wikus]

There's little point in complaining ad nauseum about this.

1) It's a key feature, one that Apple is proud of and views as quite successful in its current implementation. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

2) There aren't *enough* consumers complaining about it to justify changing it. Apple has actually sold more Macs than ever with *this* implementation of Mission Control. If you can't live with it the way it is, then switch to Windows or something else. Otherwise you're just spinning your wheels. Unless it's about increasing your post count.

Hi LTD.

Please scroll up and and take a look at the images posted above showing Expose's return in Mountain Lion. With that said;

There aren't *enough* consumers complaining about it to justify changing it.

Would you care to elaborate on that comment of yours and your Anti-Choice stance? Clearly you were proven VERY wrong by none other than Apple itself.

 

[thenewperson]

Hi LTD.

Please scroll up and and take a look at the images posted above showing Expose's return in Mountain Lion. With that said;

That's hardly Expose. That's just one thing from Expose returned (which seemed like the biggest complaint about MC I had seen - the grouping of windows).

Would you care to elaborate on that comment of yours and your Anti-Choice stance? Clearly you were proven VERY wrong by none other than Apple itself.

That doesn't look like an "anti-choice" stance. Just seems like someone explaining why Expose hasn't returned. And he's hardly been "proven VERY wrong" if Expose still isn't there.

 

[spl456]

I wonder if the minimized applications will show up too in ungrouped mission control, and not just in app expose only.

I wonder if minimised apps (in the dock) will pop up when using CMD+Tab, not just the top menu bar, in the future?
Three places where Windows is ahead, Alt+Tab, Minimise/Maximise open windows/apps/programs, windows 'snapping' half screen. Apart from that, Apple ******'s on Windows, lol.

 

[Simplicated]

I wonder if minimised apps (in the dock) will pop up when using CMD+Tab, not just the top menu bar, in the future?
Three places where Windows is ahead, Alt+Tab, Minimise/Maximise open windows/apps/programs, windows 'snapping' half screen. Apart from that, Apple ******'s on Windows, lol.

Apple's window management has been Exposé since 10.3, and Cmd-Tab focuses on switching between applications instead.That green button in a window is not a Maximize button, it is a zoom button. It makes sense when you know how it works.

 

[cmChimera]

That's hardly Expose. That's just one thing from Expose returned (which seemed like the biggest complaint about MC I had seen - the grouping of windows).



That doesn't look like an "anti-choice" stance. Just seems like someone explaining why Expose hasn't returned. And he's hardly been "proven VERY wrong" if Expose still isn't there.

That looks like exposé to me. What is missing?