Keep the Mac Pro. It is a machine built for WORK. Apple does not deem the Studio as the successor to the Mac Pro.
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MP 7,1 MKBHD switching to Mac Studio from Mac Pro, but why…
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I've done trade-ins for camera gear in the past (for my business) and it made sense even though I was not getting full re-sale value for it.
Once you wait around for a buyer, deal with them and pay eBay/Paypal fees and then pay taxes on the sale it's not that much better. It's better to just get credit with the store and pay the difference on the new product - and get a simple invoice to put through your accounts.
With Apple, you do get an insultingly lowball offer it feels like, but to me it feels like a nominal fee they're willing to give you to take a computer off the used market and therefore sustain demand for new products (what they actually want).
I would at least be interested in parting out some of the components before trading in due to there being caps on trade-in value, but than I don't make millions of dollars a year.
Once you wait around for a buyer, deal with them and pay eBay/Paypal fees and then pay taxes on the sale it's not that much better. It's better to just get credit with the store and pay the difference on the new product - and get a simple invoice to put through your accounts.
With Apple, you do get an insultingly lowball offer it feels like, but to me it feels like a nominal fee they're willing to give you to take a computer off the used market and therefore sustain demand for new products (what they actually want).
I would at least be interested in parting out some of the components before trading in due to there being caps on trade-in value, but than I don't make millions of dollars a year.
Well, you just answered your own question. MKBHD is switching to Mac Studio because he doesn't use r3d raw and other GPU heavy workflows, and his workflows rely on ProRes. That's just it. Most professionals buy specialised hardware.
If you have other requirements, get the hardware best suited for your needs.
Yes. A lot of people - from viewers to people in the industry - respect him.
So, yes. Yes, he is.
Sure. But does a horse have millions of followers? MKBHD must be doing something right, and promoting bad products for a quick cash grab is not it.
Mac Studio is insanely good for certain workflows. It’s not really a mystery. But since you dislike it, it must be some sort of scam, right?
I will not go into this discussion - whether you like his work or not, the idea of him promoting a product he dislikes is silly. He was very critical of Apple products in the past. In his Studio review he even says “look, it’s just a tool - it won’t make you do better work” and then adds that a new Mac Pro is still coming and that not all workflows are covered by this computer and that for some of them Mac Pro still outperforms the Studio. Does that sound like he’s trying to sell you this product?
It is also silly that Apple would try to bribe reviewers and risk their brand.
This is nonsense. This place has been bitter and cynical about Apple products for a long time, and some people just can’t even fathom the possibility that someone would actually want to use a product they make without some sort of “external” motivation.
The “shill” theories go well with the “sheep” claims. If you prefer a new Apple product which is always “overpriced and underpowered”(tm) according to some people - you’re either a sheep or you’re a shill.
This whole claim is nonsense, as in - it really makes no sense.
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Depends on the workload. for his workload, which is largely working with pro-res it would not even be close, in favour of the studio...
No, you're absolutely right, it's not like Apple would make a point of hiring people who are positive about them in associated industries, like giving a (so-called) reporter the role of Head of PR.
They would certainly never provide access to executives for interviews, which will attract audiences and sponsors, or invite people in for mea-culpa style fireside chats to talk about new products and strategies - so long as those interviewers, or attendees confine their criticism to aspects of Apple's products they don't like, but never NEVER criticise fundamental aspects of their business strategy, or suggest that Apple should lose any competition lawsuits in which they're engaged.
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That is what Apple will be and will always will be unless Apple's leadership changes to an all engineer C-suites.
Replace Tim Cook with an engineer or a visionary and Apele will produce great things again.
The only great things Apple is producing right now is the Mac lineup and Apple Sillicon.
I believe the Apple Sillcon would not as great if wasn't for Johny. Steve started Apple's own chip development but if wasn't for Johny Srouji M1 would not be here. I don't believe Tim has any capability in handling a chip team.
Srouji probably hired a lot of great chip designers/engineers.
The iPhone and iPad are bland with no "funness". I no longer look forward to anything from Apple expect the Mac and VR headset.
They also produce really great phones, watches, tablets, headphones, speakers - just from the top of my head.
Are you truly saying iPhone is not a great phone and iPad is not a great tablet? Apple Watch is not a great smart watch? Compared to what, exactly?
That would be a disaster for any company.
CEOs don’t hire people for individual teams and they don’t handle these teams. They decide the direction in which the company will go and where the company will spend their focus and resources.
I don’t think you understand how big companies work, or what a CEO’s job is.
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Most of the people they invited were very critical of Apple products when they thought they were bad. For example, Gruber was one of the attendees invited to discuss the Mac strategy, he used used the term *cluster***** and similar terms to describe MacBook Keyboard situation numerous times, was making jokes about the state of Siri, was very brutal when describing certain OS design decisions Apple made and is almost constantly critical of the state of their software. He also calls them out for many business decisions he considers BS and was even critical of Tim Cook personally. And that’s just the first thing that came to mind.
He just genuinely likes a lot of their products.
The situation you describe doesn’t match reality. But if it helps you fit the narrative to adjust the reality to your personal preference and claim that all that record-breaking customer satisfaction and millions of satisfied users and reviewers is some big lie - then nothing I say will change your mind.
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The Studio is also a machine built for WORK. Patrick.a has indicated that he doesn’t need the expandability that is the main advantage of the Mac Pro. Apple knows that the Studio is not a full replacement for the Mac Pro for all customers but it will meet the needs of many people who did or would have gotten a Mac Pro. It may make sense for him to switch now, while the trade-in value is still high enough on the Mac Pro to be worthwhile.
I bought my Mac Pro because back in 2020 this was the only Apple computer that didn't thermal throttle and operated silently even under sustained workload and multitasking. Thankfully this seems to have changed finally!
I'm not in a rush to upgrade. But the question is: When will the trade-in value of the current Mac Pro tank exactly? Just before or just after the new one is out?
Yeah, and Gruber also accuses any country who tries to apply competition regulations to curb Apple's market abuses, of of being racially, & nationalistically motivated, as opposed to simply being part of the predominant world regulatory opinion that Apple is a market abuser, who needs to be forced to change its business model. So, I don't give him any more credit than I do any other USA!USA!USA! MAGA hat-wearer.
Give him credit or not, his comments are proof that what you said earlier is categorically untrue.
What I said is categorically true.
- Apple hired a "journalist" from CNBC ~4 days ago to be their new head of PR.
- Apple uses access to its executives to shape the fortunes of blessed media outlets. And, if you play ball, you get access, and eventually job offers.
What he is allowed to say, by understood self-censorship because there will be nothing so crude as a direction, is all determined by his need to keep his access to Apple, which is literally how he earns an income. Anyone thinking he's anything other than a more subtle form of a press release, or advertisement, or who thinks that Apple's ability to give, or withhold access to executives isn't used to poison the well of independent criticism, is being deeply naive.
Does not prove your point. People change positions.
You're confusing standard marketing tactics that every company uses with some sort of bribery. You're also questioning the integrity of many, many reviewers. You know, products such as Mac Studio are not loved by one or two "bribed" reviewers. You make it sound like every reviewer out there is out for a job at Apple.
That viewpoint is so narrow.
You also have no explanation for a lot of these reviewers and YouTubers, such as MKBHD, being very critical of Apple. Somehow, that doesn't fit the narrative, does it? Also, you claimed criticism is NEVER allowed (you even wrote it in caps) which is clearly not true.
"What he is allowed to say".... lol.
Well, you think I'm naive then, and I think you're somewhere between very subjective and trivialising. There are, of course fragments of truth to what you're saying - every good delusion is based on half-truths and wrong assumptions - but the conclusion you make is, basically, searching for patterns to fit the predetermined narrative.
Of course Apple has strong marketing. Of course reviewers are influenced by it - why else would "Press Packs" exist, why would Press Events exist.... of course. But relativizing the integrity of a large number of content creators and reviewers just because you dislike a product is quite out there. And it's even more funny when you think about how Mac Studio, while not the best tool for every workflow, is quite objectively excellent for what people like MKBHD do. M1 MacBook Pros are consistenly on top of "best laptops" lists almost everywhere.... Apple is nailing it with the Mac currently. But you don't like it, so now, everyone claiming this is the case is a shill. Or a sheep. Or both.
The best part - this type of narrative you're making is almost as old as Apple. And it's almost a staple of parts of these forums.
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No, it does not.
So that setup is still sold by Apple as refurbished for 30K. So, it is reasonable to expect to recover 15-20K in a sale and not trade it in for 4500. Makes no financial sense whatsoever.
Keep the Mac Pro.
The Radeon GPUs still hold the crown for specific workloads that rely on GPUs for compute. These machines are also more upgradable down the road (having the ability to be made more powerful or efficient), just like the Mac Pro's from 2006 to 2013.
Just my $0.02
The Radeon GPUs still hold the crown for specific workloads that rely on GPUs for compute. These machines are also more upgradable down the road (having the ability to be made more powerful or efficient), just like the Mac Pro's from 2006 to 2013.
Just my $0.02
The trade-in value is unlikely to get any higher than it is now. I would imagine that it might drop after the new Mac Pro is announced or it could wait until the new one is available to order. Hard to know.
What is your justification for those kinds of accusations? I don’t read his blog but I listen to his podcast and there has been nothing of that kind in his comments. Are you mixing him up with someone else or is there some other reason?
He literally posted it on his blog.
When South Korea announced competition investigations into Apple, he just out and said that he thought they were doing it to assist Samsung. And, when the Dutch (or possibly French) investigation started, he queried which local business they were possibly protecting.
And some people will apologize for any level of bs. All the apologists here lining up to tell us how great the trashcan Mac was when it was a complete failure. So much so apple had to GO ON AN APPOLOGY TOUR. Yet you'll STILL have apologists here telling you how you need to think.
And just the same, you'll have someone apparently throwing out 15-20k and everyone lining up to say how great that is.
Some people would rather be wrong than admit they are wrong.
For the few on here that can rub 2 brain cells together and come to a conclusion, THEY ARE THE ONES THAT CHANGED THINGS. Because they voiced out the problems. That's why we got a slotted Mac when all the big brains here were gaslighting us that "modular" meant just a monitor and thunderbolt. They literally could not process an apology tour and add 2+2. But these are the very same people that are arrogant, yet stupid, but yet stubborn enough, to keep telling everyone else how wrong others are... Such imperviousness to self-reflection belongs on a stealth fighter, yet we get all this noise.
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Gruber doesn't do good objective analysis where Apple and the outside world/other companies are concerned.
He's a much better resource for analyzing Apple on its own and looking more inward about why they are doing what and what products they've come up with and the stories around that.
That said - even that has become fraught in the years since he started getting cozy and insider enough to host the C-Suite on his live shows around WWDC.
It just becomes impossible at some point to be an objective evaluator of Apple if you get too cozy with them.
(also, not sure I blame him -- he's going on nearly 20 years of "pontificating about Apple" as a well paying career!)
He's a much better resource for analyzing Apple on its own and looking more inward about why they are doing what and what products they've come up with and the stories around that.
That said - even that has become fraught in the years since he started getting cozy and insider enough to host the C-Suite on his live shows around WWDC.
It just becomes impossible at some point to be an objective evaluator of Apple if you get too cozy with them.
(also, not sure I blame him -- he's going on nearly 20 years of "pontificating about Apple" as a well paying career!)
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Some here were trying to discredit anyone who is reviewing Apple products and being at all positive because that must mean that they are bought and paid for.
Like I said it makes sense to ME. Made money off it. More work to sell it for more. Honestly I’m confused why anyone cares what anyone else does it’s his money he can do what he wants.